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June 11, 2010 9:10 a.m. blaze86vic Reader

patgizz wrote:

blaze86vic wrote: I think it's time that the every-day American V8 is going to put it self on the list of things to fear, once again!

it did 13 years ago in the form of the almighty LS series of engines. ford is just that far behind the game.

I wouldn't argue that for a second, and I'm a Ford guy. Unlike most Ford fans, that bash on the LS for being so food, I've always blamed Ford for our lack of apparent competition for that engine. But in the end, it's was little more foresight than I care for, because after all they didn't go Bankrupt.

When I say the "every-day" V8 I was kind of implying that all american V8's should be feared. There was a time when no import would dare challenge any of the big 3 V8's. And I think that time is coming back. Though unlike the 60s & 70s, the imports are a little more prepared with their newfangled turbos and widgets.....
June 11, 2010 9:23 a.m. 93celicaGT2 SuperDork

I'll challenge a new 5.0, and my import is hardly newfangled, and i despise widgets.

WTF is a widget, anyways?
June 11, 2010 9:39 a.m. Buzz Killington Reader

GR40RACER wrote: Maybe they're good, but they're not dominate. You LS boys can only dream of 4.6 ltr. factory motors capable of 1000bhp with simple bolt-ons and if FoMoCo had put the same Manley rods in the Condor (GT500) motor that they put in the Terminator (03-04 Cobra) motors, the Condor motor would be 1000whp with bolt-ons. As it is, the Condor is able to put down 800+whp with bolt-ons, how many sub-350ci factory LS motors can do that? The answer is NONE of them.

Ford's got it going on, GM and Chrysler are lucky to be hangin' on...

so what you're saying is that Ford's brand new V8 is better than GM's 13-year old design?

oh noe wai!!!11!!
June 11, 2010 12:16 p.m. GR40RACER New Reader

Buzz Killington wrote:

GR40RACER wrote: Maybe they're good, but they're not dominate. You LS boys can only dream of 4.6 ltr. factory motors capable of 1000bhp with simple bolt-ons and if FoMoCo had put the same Manley rods in the Condor (GT500) motor that they put in the Terminator (03-04 Cobra) motors, the Condor motor would be 1000whp with bolt-ons. As it is, the Condor is able to put down 800+whp with bolt-ons, how many sub-350ci factory LS motors can do that? The answer is NONE of them.

Ford's got it going on, GM and Chrysler are lucky to be hangin' on...

so what you're saying is that Ford's brand new V8 is better than GM's 13-year old design?

oh noe wai!!!11!!

No, I'm saying Ford made more HP with less displacement 7 years ago and gave their customers a factory motor capable of 1000bhp with the addition of simple bolt-on aftermarket parts, you didn't have to touch the stock long-block to get there. The car was the 03 SVT Cobra Mustang and motor was the supercharged 4.6ltr. DOHC modular.
June 11, 2010 1:25 p.m. Buzz Killington Reader

yeah, but it was in a mustang.

also, you're getting dangerously close to the "HP/liter" arguments that certain fans of certain japanese makes like to use. you're comparing DOHC apples to pushrod oranges.

but the bottom line is also that Ford has lagged behind in putting those great engines into its vehicles when they seriously limited their availability. meanwhile, GM threw their smallblocks into damn near everything. that's the difference...the engines might be great but if you only sold 1000 of them, what good does it do me? GM kept it simple and plentiful...and that was smart.

case in point: the LS engine in the Camaro might not be as good as the Coyote in the Mustang...i don't know. but i do know that the camaro engine is in a bunch of others vehicles. how many vehicles will Ford drop the Mustang V8 into? precious few, i'm willing to bet.
June 11, 2010 1:31 p.m. Cotton HalfDork

93celicaGT2 wrote:

I'll challenge a new 5.0, and my import is hardly newfangled, and i despise widgets.

WTF is a widget, anyways?

Stock for stock? Isn't that MX6 of yours turned up quite a bit?
June 11, 2010 1:37 p.m. 93celicaGT2 SuperDork

Cotton wrote:

93celicaGT2 wrote:

I'll challenge a new 5.0, and my import is hardly newfangled, and i despise widgets.

WTF is a widget, anyways?

Stock for stock? Isn't that MX6 of yours turned up quite a bit?

Stock for stock, absolutely not. It's a mid/low 15s car stock. And yes, it's turned up quite a bit

I'm not trying to knock the new 5.0, i think it's amazing.
June 11, 2010 1:46 p.m. Cotton HalfDork

93celicaGT2 wrote:

Cotton wrote:

93celicaGT2 wrote:

I'll challenge a new 5.0, and my import is hardly newfangled, and i despise widgets.

WTF is a widget, anyways?

Stock for stock? Isn't that MX6 of yours turned up quite a bit?

Stock for stock, absolutely not. It's a mid/low 15s car stock. And yes, it's turned up quite a bit

I'm not trying to knock the new 5.0, i think it's amazing.

So how do you get the MX6 to hook up? 13.27 is impressive for that car.
June 11, 2010 2:04 p.m. 93celicaGT2 SuperDork

Cotton wrote:

93celicaGT2 wrote:

Cotton wrote:

93celicaGT2 wrote:

I'll challenge a new 5.0, and my import is hardly newfangled, and i despise widgets.

WTF is a widget, anyways?

Stock for stock? Isn't that MX6 of yours turned up quite a bit?

Stock for stock, absolutely not. It's a mid/low 15s car stock. And yes, it's turned up quite a bit

I'm not trying to knock the new 5.0, i think it's amazing.

So how do you get the MX6 to hook up? 13.27 is impressive for that car.

It doesn't. These cars make insane levels of torque. I got wasted through the 1/8th mile by a mid 14s n/a Civic. That trap speed is more like a deep/low 12s car with a hook.

That said, on that run, that was my old setup and stock original suspension, and my boost controller malfunctioned, so when i shifted into 3rd, i was nailed by 22psi through the next couple gears, and i was dumb and just stayed in it. I'm only running 10psi right now, and it's probably a high 13s car now that it's getting more dialed in.

I'll crack 12s before the challenge. Planning on showing up with a bigger turbo and around 18-20psi. It hooks up much better now with the suspension rejuvinated as well.
June 11, 2010 2:15 p.m. CaptainSpaulding New Reader

Did anyone actually care that the LSx was a great engine and actually buy Cambirds.

Nope they sure didnt.

Did anyone care that the Mustang was down on power to the F bod twins and not buy Mustangs.

Nope sure didnt.
June 11, 2010 3:28 p.m. P71 SuperDork

CaptainSpaulding wrote:

Did anyone actually care that the LSx was a great engine and actually buy Cambirds.

Nope they sure didnt.

Did anyone care that the Mustang was down on power to the F bod twins and not buy Mustangs.

Nope sure didnt.

As a Ford mod motor owner, you are smoking something. GM sold a ton of Camarobirds from 98-02 and then shoved the LSx into everything else like the GTO, SSR, Grand Prix/Impala, and of course the Corvette. Not to mention the G8 and all of the muscle trucks. They sold millions of LSx motors, and it is the most common "new" motor swap out there, period.

Mustang makes sales because it has a V6 variant and a drop top, both of which are good for females (not being disparaging, it's just fact, and they buy the majority of new cars now). A superior V8 was never part of it except for maybe when the HO 5.0 was new and now in 2011.
June 11, 2010 5:19 p.m. CaptainSpaulding New Reader

The mustang out sold the F body cars 3-1 even wth the almighty lsx engines in them.

The point is that the lsx engines are geat but chevy still couldnt sell the f bods anywhere near the volume of the Mustangs. A great engine will not sell cars.

Im not smoking anything. Just look at the sales figures and see that not many people cared that the lsx was better than the mod motor. If they did the F bods would have out sold the Mustang. And I am pretty sure that the V8 mustangs out sold the V8 F body twins.

Correct me if I am wrong but the F body cars also had V6 engines and drop tops along with T tops.

Ford either built a better complete package or a better looking car.
June 11, 2010 5:45 p.m. CaptainSpaulding New Reader

So lets look at some production numbers. I donot have the numbers broken down between V6 and V8 and these are just Camaro sales #s not including the firechickens.

Now my point was that the holy grail LS1 engine had no effect on gaining more sales for GM and did not get mustang buyers to buy the Camaro.

1998 mustang 170,642 1998 camaro 77,198 1999 mustang 126,067 1999 camaro 42,098 2000 mustang 218,525 2000 camaro 45,417 2001 mustang 155,162 2001 camaro 29,009

hmm. Interesting little bit of info. It seems that the LS1 didnt really help the Camaro sell all that well.

A even more interesting little tidbit of info is that the 94-97 LT1 cars outsold the LSI cars.

Only thing being smoked is the truth.
June 11, 2010 6:13 p.m. WilberM3 Reader

CaptainSpaulding wrote: Ford either built a better complete package or a better looking car.

obviously a personal thing but ive never liked the look of 4th gen f bodies, with a precious few withstanding, and the mustang really looked sharp starting in 99. that said i'd rather build a same year LS1 car than the mod motor for purely performance reasons and i'd suck it up looking at it, but i just dont like the car they came in

now a 3rd gen 1LE with LSx/t56... yummy
June 11, 2010 6:39 p.m. CaptainSpaulding New Reader

Or just do what the American Iron racers where doing. LSX in a fox chassis mustang with full Grigs suspension.

I do not care for the 4th gen cars. I have had a few 3rd gen cars and my last CMC car was a 91 RS.

I always wanted a 5spd TPI 3rd gen with a pair of turbos bolted onto it.

Call up Strano and order up some suspension goodies along with C5 brakes and go chase down some expensive german machines with your mullet flowing and a case of PBR.
June 11, 2010 11:19 p.m. blaze86vic Reader

I don't think the new 5.0 is going to boost sales all that much, but it will complete there customer basin. Hence why they are pushing the V6 model so much.

No big HP production cars do not make the bank, they break it. GM has learned this the hard way. Ford has apparently seen this light for some time, and only makes the high HP cars for short periods of time and/or in very limited numbers because of the costs vs profits.

To be quite honest, I'm just plain tired of seeing LS-this...LS-that.....LS-everything......how about LS-SOMETHING DIFFERENT! It's a great motor, I know, but I'm not a trend follow, and I guess I have that unhealthy urge to not do what everyone else is doing, and dang if the LS isn't all anyone ever talks about these days. I go to car shows and see a sweet hot rod....oh look another LS......oh look another LS......oh WOW it's got a VW bug motor, that's way cooler than the last 50 LS engine swaps I just passed! Hopefully the new 5.0 will bring some variety back to the hot rod world.
June 12, 2010 1:26 p.m. Knurled Reader

slefain wrote:

The V6 Mustang, once the realm of secretaries and sister-in-laws is now knocking on serious doors here.

I don't get this stereotype.

V6 Mustangs, in my experience, are generally owned by old men, or boys in high school or college.

If you want a girl car, find a Firebird. Any Firebird. V6, V8, whatever you want, it's probably a girl driving it.
June 12, 2010 1:31 p.m. Knurled Reader

CaptainSpaulding wrote:

Or just do what the American Iron racers where doing. LSX in a fox chassis mustang with full Grigs suspension.

I'll just leave this here.

Chevy Gen III: The ultimate expression of small-block Ford.
June 12, 2010 1:56 p.m. CaptainSpaulding New Reader

ha ha thats funny
June 12, 2010 3:25 p.m. Nitroracer Dork

Has the LS-Headed Windsor been run yet?

I read about it a while back and I believe the heads were mounted but a custom ground cam was needed.

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