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minimac
minimac Dork
1/12/10 9:27 a.m.

Back when we used to circle race, a buddy ran a slant six. Nothing super expensive, just the usual....4bbl carb and offy intake, headers, cam, and some decent pistons. That thing would pull like crazy! Hop up the six, put in a cage and stick and have a blast on the road courses. Who cares how it gets classed! There'd be plenty of interest just because it's different.

Spinout007
Spinout007 HalfDork
1/12/10 9:30 a.m.
volvoclearinghouse wrote: My initial thought was to build up a /6 that I have laying in my garage. I have a super six intake, and headers are available. I could even TURBO it.

DING DING DING!!!! WINNER!

volvoclearinghouse
volvoclearinghouse New Reader
1/12/10 9:37 a.m.
John Brown wrote:
volvoclearinghouse wrote: I agree, I love the jukebox tranny. I have a '63 Dart convertible with the same setup. But a hardtop...well that just speak "racer" to me. And a proper race car lets you pick your own cogs. I'd leave the tranny buttons there- perhaps I could repurpose them for something...

Various stages of nitrous.

This would be awesome. Just don't hit the "R" button. To quote Tow-Mater: "Don't need to know where I'm goin', only need to know where I been!"

RossD
RossD Dork
1/12/10 9:42 a.m.

One of the buttons could be to open up the exhaust cut-outs.

volvoclearinghouse
volvoclearinghouse New Reader
1/12/10 9:42 a.m.
93celicaGT2 wrote:
ReverendDexter wrote: Go sacrilegious: 2JZ-GTE, or do a full R34 RB26DETT + AWD conversion. What? Why's everyone got that look in their eye all of a sudden?

No, no... i'm with you. This car is basically a rolling shell, so it's an oppurtunity for something great, and to piss off every purist ever.

Think the Mopar people will get as pissed as the LS1 forums were with the guy that put a 2jzgte in a classic numbers matching Camaro SS?

Mopar purists are the most fastidious purists around. I've seen exhaust manifolds on dime-a-dozen 318 Challengers painted with a special high-temp paint to simulate the factory overspray look. We're talking Taliban-levels of dedication and fanatacism here. Personally, I don't care too much, and wacky drivetrain swaps give me goosebumps. (I have a '67 Mitsubishi Colt undergoing a 13B wankel swap at the moment) I wouldn't go LSx, though, just because, like that lady of the night, too many have already gone there before me.

aeronca65t
aeronca65t HalfDork
1/12/10 9:48 a.m.
mel_horn wrote: Hey, didn't I see a Studebaker Lark in one of your BeaveRun videos?

No (although lots of other neat cars in some of ~my videos~ ).

The Lark is a west-coast racer (see picture below). Before I bought my A35, I was thinking of building a first-gen Falcon for vintage racing. My plan was a 250 ci six and Mustang suspension. Pretty cheap and fast. .

Snowdoggie
Snowdoggie HalfDork
1/12/10 10:25 a.m.
aeronca65t wrote:
mel_horn wrote: Hey, didn't I see a Studebaker Lark in one of your BeaveRun videos?

No (although lots of other neat cars in some of ~my videos~ ).

The Lark is a west-coast racer (see picture below). Before I bought my A35, I was thinking of building a first-gen Falcon for vintage racing. My plan was a 250 ci six and Mustang suspension. Pretty cheap and fast. .

I want dat! My dad had a Studebaker Lark company car when I was growing up.

93celicaGT2
93celicaGT2 SuperDork
1/12/10 10:29 a.m.
volvoclearinghouse wrote:
93celicaGT2 wrote:
ReverendDexter wrote: Go sacrilegious: 2JZ-GTE, or do a full R34 RB26DETT + AWD conversion. What? Why's everyone got that look in their eye all of a sudden?

No, no... i'm with you. This car is basically a rolling shell, so it's an oppurtunity for something great, and to piss off every purist ever.

Think the Mopar people will get as pissed as the LS1 forums were with the guy that put a 2jzgte in a classic numbers matching Camaro SS?

Mopar purists are the most fastidious purists around. I've seen exhaust manifolds on dime-a-dozen 318 Challengers painted with a special high-temp paint to simulate the factory overspray look. We're talking Taliban-levels of dedication and fanatacism here. Personally, I don't care too much, and wacky drivetrain swaps give me goosebumps. (I have a '67 Mitsubishi Colt undergoing a 13B wankel swap at the moment) I wouldn't go LSx, though, just because, like that lady of the night, too many have already gone there before me.

Whoa..... that sounds AWESOME!!!

And instead of the lady of the night reference... Try:

"Like a retard on viagra, they'll stick it in anything."

It's a joke! No offense is meant, nor will butthurt be tolerated!

Shaun
Shaun Reader
1/12/10 10:36 a.m.
Spinout007 wrote:
volvoclearinghouse wrote: My initial thought was to build up a /6 that I have laying in my garage. I have a super six intake, and headers are available. I could even TURBO it.

DING DING DING!!!! WINNER!

I think a low pressure turbo set-up would be really cool, simple, effective and work with the strength of the motor. I love the sound of 6 bangers.

MadScientistMatt
MadScientistMatt Dork
1/12/10 10:43 a.m.
volvoclearinghouse wrote: I wonder if a /6 or an LA block engine would bolt to a T5 tranny...anyone heard of such a thing?

There are a couple Mopar to Chevy bellhousing adapters out there for that kind of thing.

I wouldn't go with a big block; '66 and earlier A-bodies are tough to fit one in without the exhaust going through the inner fenders. And on an A-body, the inner fenders are structural. I'd stick with small block or slant six power.

A turbo slant six isn't the most straightforward build, but definitely two things that go well together with the slant's low compression and so much room on the driver's side. I've relocated the battery to the trunk and done a manual steering swap for more clearance myself.

aeronca65t
aeronca65t HalfDork
1/12/10 11:23 a.m.

I wonder is a 3rd generation Dakota 3.7L V6 with 5 speed would fit. They have like 210 horsepower.

ReverendDexter
ReverendDexter Dork
1/12/10 11:44 a.m.
aeronca65t wrote: I wonder is a 3rd generation Dakota 3.7L V6 with 5 speed would fit. They have like 210 horsepower.

That's the wrong number in the hundreds digit for this crowd.

volvoclearinghouse
volvoclearinghouse New Reader
1/12/10 12:16 p.m.
ReverendDexter wrote:
aeronca65t wrote: I wonder is a 3rd generation Dakota 3.7L V6 with 5 speed would fit. They have like 210 horsepower.

That's the wrong number in the hundreds digit for this crowd.

Yeah, but the stock /6 power figure didn't even have a hundreds digit. At least, not if you go by actual, real-world dyno numbers, and not Chrysler's grossly inflated gross 1960's pie-in-the-sky what's-an-alternator? numbers.

DukeOfUndersteer
DukeOfUndersteer Dork
1/12/10 12:31 p.m.
93celicaGT2 wrote:
John Brown wrote:
volvoclearinghouse wrote: I agree, I love the jukebox tranny. I have a '63 Dart convertible with the same setup. But a hardtop...well that just speak "racer" to me. And a proper race car lets you pick your own cogs. I'd leave the tranny buttons there- perhaps I could repurpose them for something...

Various stages of nitrous.

Win.

1... 2... OMFG

poopshovel
poopshovel SuperDork
1/12/10 1:12 p.m.

Oh man. That makes my insides all tingley.

stumpmj
stumpmj Dork
1/12/10 1:45 p.m.

Go super crazy. I'm thinking 4 motorcycle engines under the hood longitudenaly mounted in two pairs side by side (one pair ahead of the other) with the chains driving a drive shaft to the rear axel. use push/pull cables to actuate the transmissions and a common master cylinder for all the clutches. Add turbos later if desired.

Or, put an LSx in it. But that's for wussies.

Nashco
Nashco SuperDork
1/12/10 2:20 p.m.

Turbo slant six sounds fun, that would be a really fun project car IMO!

Bryce

poopshovel
poopshovel SuperDork
1/12/10 4:31 p.m.
poopshovel wrote:
Woody wrote: Turbo Slant Six.

/thread. Seriously. This is on my not-so-immediate list of things to do. I would freaking kill for a turbo slant 6 sleeper.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C2D92O66SZY&feature=fvw

^^^just in case anyone missed it on the first page. This should make your pants fit funny, or none of you are my friends anymore.

aeronca65t
aeronca65t HalfDork
1/12/10 5:06 p.m.

I notice the slant-sixes in the video above are all right-hand drive Chryslers, so I'm guessing it's those crazy Australians (or NZers).......didn't sound like Brits.

One of them turned 12.57 (!!!!!!)

We see a couple of USA sixes in vintage "specials" at eastern vintage events.. Here's one with a Ford six:

Don49
Don49 New Reader
1/12/10 6:00 p.m.

If you use a 170ci /6 it will wind like crazy. I had a 1960 Valiant with one slightly reworked that I regularly turned to 7,200 rpm's. The 225 had a 1' longer stroke and won't spin as fast, but have a lot more torque. Properly built the 6 should be more than adequate. I'm not sure about the later cars, but my 1960 was almost perfectly balanced 50/50 front to rear and handled great also. I humbled a few sports cars in the twisies with that car.

njansenv
njansenv Reader
1/12/10 8:09 p.m.

The aussie's have some pretty neat stuff available for the Mopar 6's.

Would you consider a 2.4 SRT-4 engine? It's been used in some high profile RWD applications, so I know it "can" be done.

Nathan

Rob_Mopar
Rob_Mopar Reader
1/12/10 8:27 p.m.

That Dart is on the light side. We weighed my buddy's 2-door post 170 slant 6 '64 Dart and it was under 3000. I think it was something like 2800. He built up a nice 225 with the Super 6 setup (2bbl for you non-Mopar people) and the car runs good. It's a cruiser, nothing crazy. He has another Dart with a built up 225 that's good for 14's in the quarter and will cruise it cross country at the drop of a hat.

For this Dart, best bang for the buck is a 360 Magnum (5.9L for the metric fans) motor from a '90's truck or van. The beer barrel intake will choke off the motor before 5000 RPM, but hey it was designed for low end torque in trucks.

Going with a 4bbl intake, electronic ignition, and a half decent exhaust it's an easy 300 horse motor bone stock. That in a 3000-ish pound Dart is a kick in the pants. Same buddy with the 2-door '64 has a 4-door one with a combo similar to that in it. I think he was running high 13's with highway gears, and he has set the suspension up to handle too, not just go in a straight line.

Back that 360 Magnum with a low gear set 904 auto. There is a company that makes conversion cable sets to use the push button shifters with the later Chrysler transmissions. To show I'm not just a Coolaid drinker, you could go with a 8" Ford rear. I think the early Mustang/Maverick/Granada one is pretty much a bolt in deal. I'd stick with either an 8 3/4 or 8 1/4 Chrysler. The 8 1/4 will be cheaper, and you can find limited slip differentials in '87-96 Dakotas with 3.21-3.55-3.91 gears.

OK, I need to go jump to the Duster thread now. I'm in heaven here tonight.

-Rob

MadScientistMatt
MadScientistMatt Dork
1/13/10 7:30 a.m.

Yep, I've measured it too - the Granada / Maverick / early Mustang rear axle is the exact same width. The bolt circle is different but you can convert the front to the same bolt circle and this gives you more wheel options. You'd need a conversion U-joint IIRC to put the Ford axle in there. A Lincoln Versailles disc brake axle would also bolt in, but it's not clear if there are still any Lincoln Versailleses out there that haven't been scrapped for their axles. On rare occasions, you can find the discs on a Monarch or Granada.

Me, I'm going with a Mopar 8 3/4" with 11" drums.

An SRT-4 Dart - or one with the GEMA turbo motor - would be quite interesting. Should be plenty of room for either one.

poopshovel
poopshovel SuperDork
1/13/10 8:56 a.m.
Rob_Mopar wrote: That Dart is on the light side. We weighed my buddy's 2-door post 170 slant 6 '64 Dart and it was under 3000. I think it was something like 2800. He built up a nice 225 with the Super 6 setup (2bbl for you non-Mopar people) and the car runs good. It's a cruiser, nothing crazy. He has another Dart with a built up 225 that's good for 14's in the quarter and will cruise it cross country at the drop of a hat. For this Dart, best bang for the buck is a 360 Magnum (5.9L for the metric fans) motor from a '90's truck or van. The beer barrel intake will choke off the motor before 5000 RPM, but hey it was designed for low end torque in trucks. Going with a 4bbl intake, electronic ignition, and a half decent exhaust it's an easy 300 horse motor bone stock. That in a 3000-ish pound Dart is a kick in the pants. Same buddy with the 2-door '64 has a 4-door one with a combo similar to that in it. I think he was running high 13's with highway gears, and he has set the suspension up to handle too, not just go in a straight line. Back that 360 Magnum with a low gear set 904 auto. There is a company that makes conversion cable sets to use the push button shifters with the later Chrysler transmissions. To show I'm not just a Coolaid drinker, you could go with a 8" Ford rear. I think the early Mustang/Maverick/Granada one is pretty much a bolt in deal. I'd stick with either an 8 3/4 or 8 1/4 Chrysler. The 8 1/4 will be cheaper, and you can find limited slip differentials in '87-96 Dakotas with 3.21-3.55-3.91 gears. OK, I need to go jump to the Duster thread now. I'm in heaven here tonight. -Rob

Great info!

Rob_Mopar
Rob_Mopar Reader
1/13/10 8:04 p.m.
MadScientistMatt wrote: Yep, I've measured it too - the Granada / Maverick / early Mustang rear axle is the exact same width. The bolt circle is different but you can convert the front to the same bolt circle and this gives you more wheel options. You'd need a conversion U-joint IIRC to put the Ford axle in there. A Lincoln Versailles disc brake axle would also bolt in, but it's not clear if there are still any Lincoln Versailleses out there that haven't been scrapped for their axles. On rare occasions, you can find the discs on a Monarch or Granada. Me, I'm going with a Mopar 8 3/4" with 11" drums. An SRT-4 Dart - or one with the GEMA turbo motor - would be quite interesting. Should be plenty of room for either one.

Yea, I forgot to mention the front disk swap to the 4.5" bolt pattern. But that's pretty straight forward too with either the '73-76 A-body spindles and upper control arms, or the F-M-J body spindle and either the late A-body upper control arm or an aftermarket tubular one.

Matt, the 11" drums are a bit of overkill on the rear. That's a ton of unsprung weight back there. I've stayed with the 10x2.5's for mine. It might go rear disk someday, but not in the near future.

-Rob

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