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  • PHeller

    Aug. 6, 2010 8:27 a.m. PHeller Dork

    Ok, so my girlfriend is moving into a new place. I intended to move in with her once I find a job in the area. Until then my address will remain at home (6 hours away).

    The property management company got wind of my wanting to move "eventually" and wants me to fill out an application and sign a separate lease.

    I don't believe I should have to because: 1) I don't have employment in the area 2) I'm not changing my address 3) I'll be spending 50% of my time in the apartment until I have a job in the area.

    I'm currently employed 6 hours away by two part-time employers. It's my only income.

    Should I fight the app?

  • Kia_racer

    Aug. 6, 2010 8:40 a.m. Kia_racer HalfDork

    IDK about your area and they are all different. Down here all you have to do is pay the application fee and you sign the same lease. On the better side as long as you don't spend more than 3 days in a row you don't have to even do that.

    Check with your local housing authority to find out how your laws work.

  • PHeller

    Aug. 6, 2010 8:42 a.m. PHeller Dork

    (u) Primary residence. Although no single factor shall be solely determinative, evidence which may be considered in determining whether a housing accommodation subject to this Code is occupied as a primary residence shall include, without limitation, such factors as listed below:

    (1) Specification by an occupant of an address other than such housing accommodation as a place of residence on any tax return, motor vehicle registration, driver's license or other document filed with a public agency;

    (2) Use by an occupant of an address other than such housing accommodation as a voting address;

    (3) Occupancy of the housing accommodation for an aggregate of less than 183 days in the most recent calendar year, except for temporary periods of relocation pursuant to section 2523.5(b)(2) of this Title;

    (4) Subletting of the housing accommodation.

  • mtn

    Aug. 6, 2010 8:56 a.m. mtn SuperDork

    PHeller wrote: sign a separate lease.

    It should be the same lease, unless I'm much mistaken. I'd fight it because of the employment thing. Not to mention that you aren't even living there yet.

  • Dr. Hess

    Aug. 6, 2010 9:00 a.m. Dr. Hess SuperDork

    Personally, and without any legal training whatsoever, I would say "That's nice. But I don't live there and I'm not signing anything. Thank you."

    Think about this: The only reason anyone ever wants you to sign anything is so that they can have some means of screwing you over in the future, should the need arise. What's in this for you?

  • DILYSI Dave

    Aug. 6, 2010 9:01 a.m. DILYSI Dave SuperDork

    Dr. Hess wrote: What's in this for you?

    Shacking up with a girl.

  • mtn

    Aug. 6, 2010 9:04 a.m. mtn SuperDork

    DILYSI Dave wrote:

    Dr. Hess wrote: What's in this for you?

    Shacking up with a girl.

    Thing is, he can probably do that without signing the lease.

    Property management companies are the absolute worst. I just moved into mine and during the move-in inspection, was taking pictures of EVERYTHING. The guy was like "oh, you don't have to do that". Right. I noticed that my personal list had a lot more problems than yours did. At the end of the year, you would have noticed all of them.

  • Strizzo

    Aug. 6, 2010 9:04 a.m. Strizzo SuperDork

    a lot of places will state in the lease that you cannot have anyone not on the lease staying longer that 14 consecutive nights at a time, and no more than some other total number of nights in a 3 or 6 month period.

    tell them you're not living there at all, just visiting on weekends or something, they misunderstood you or something.

    then again, they may want you to fill out an app to make sure you're not a sex offender or are hiding a criminal record. ...or a history of trashing apartments...

  • PHeller

    Aug. 6, 2010 9:20 a.m. PHeller Dork

    Took care of it. Claimed that because I wasn't paying taxes nor voting in the area I wasn't living there.

    Now I've got nothing against signing a new lease with the GF once I've got a job...but until then...I'm not committing to anything.

  • carguy123

    Aug. 6, 2010 10:12 a.m. carguy123 SuperDork

    I've never heard of an apartment lease where every party who lives there has to sign a lease. Usually it's only the responsible party that has to sign it.

  • NYG95GA

    Aug. 6, 2010 10:19 a.m. NYG95GA SuperDork

    If you have 2 jobs that are 6 hours from your girlfriend, I'd say you have much more to think about than signing a paper for a landlord.

  • Strizzo

    Aug. 6, 2010 10:21 a.m. Strizzo SuperDork

    In reply to carguy123:

    its common in college apartment type places where, while everyone plans to live there the full year or whatever when they move in, sometimes plans change, so each person only pays their portion of the rent, if one doesn't pay, the rest of the roommates aren't left on the hook.

  • Kia_racer

    Aug. 6, 2010 10:38 a.m. Kia_racer HalfDork

    carguy123 wrote:

    I've never heard of an apartment lease where every party who lives there has to sign a lease. Usually it's only the responsible party that has to sign it.

    Every time I have had roommates they have had to sign the lease also including my wife when I was married. Maybe it is just the DFW area.

  • Jensenman

    Aug. 6, 2010 6:55 p.m. Jensenman SuperDork

    Every time I had roomies we all had to sign a lease. I think the legal term is 'the hand of one is the hand of all' or some such crap like that. Given that you won't be moving there immediately, I wouldn't sign E36 M3. The last thing you need is for something weird to happen and for you to be hung with a lease on an apartment 6 hours away.

    Now, if you change employment and move there, sure go ahead.

  • mtn

    Aug. 6, 2010 9:47 p.m. mtn SuperDork

    I'll also throw this out there: A landlord, as opposed to a property management company, is usually better. More understanding. Now, the company has a LOT going for it--anything goes wrong, they have their own crew to get it done fast, but they don't care about the property, they care about making money and not getting sued. And from what I've seen (which is actually quite a bit), screwing you over.

  • friedgreencorrado

    Aug. 6, 2010 10:19 p.m. friedgreencorrado SuperDork

    mtn wrote:

    I'll also throw this out there: A landlord, as opposed to a property management company, is usually better. More understanding. Now, the company has a LOT going for it--anything goes wrong, they have their own crew to get it done fast, but they don't care about the property, they care about making money and not getting sued. And from what I've seen (which is actually quite a bit), screwing you over.

    x2. We are much happier with our "private citizen" landlord than we ever were with the management company at our old apartment. It seems that the latest trend in apartment complex management is full of modern American Corporate Disease (Just turning a profit is *NOT ENOUGH!!" Maximize profit at every opportunity!!!). The main reason we moved from our first place (that we'd only been in for a single year) is because they posted a notice on the door a month before the end of the lease stating that our rent would increase $100 a month after X month, X day. A hundred buck increase in a single year? We immediately started looking for somewhere else. Found it (this one, actually) and started moving out. It was a leisurely process, since we had a month (I had the dough to pay the rent on the old place and deposits, etc. on the new one). Three days before the end of the lease, the complex manager (an attractive woman my own age) decides to come by the place (while my girl's out), touches my shoulder a lot, and sweetly mentions to me that the notice we recieved was just supposed to be a "reminder" of the conditions of the lease (that staying in the place without a new lease would invoke the "month-to-month" cost, which was true), and that we could sign a new lease at the same monthly rent as the old one.

    All I could do was suggest that the notices on the doors should say "please renew your lease", instead of "your rent is going up".

    Sorry about writing a book, dude. Long story short: Look for private property with a single owner, and avoid anything owned by a company. It can be a little weird sometimes, but if you get the right person as a landlord, it rocks.

    Me: "Hey, we fixed that bad floor in the guest bathroom."
    Him: "Thanks, take $500 of the rent next month. I didn't really want to come out there anyway!"

    Actually, this place has even worked out for me as a car guy as well!

    Me: "Hey, would you have a problem if I parked a car in the back yard?" Him: "Nah. My boat used to live out there."

  • mtn

    Aug. 6, 2010 10:27 p.m. mtn SuperDork

    friedgreencorrado wrote: Long story short: Look for private property with a single owner, and avoid anything owned by a company. It can be a little weird sometimes, but if you get the right person as a landlord, it rocks.

    Me: "Hey, we fixed that bad floor in the guest bathroom."
    Him: "Thanks, take $500 of the rent next month. I didn't really want to come out there anyway!"

    Actually, this place has even worked out for me as a car guy as well!

    Me: "Hey, would you have a problem if I parked a car in the back yard?" Him: "Nah. My boat used to live out there."

    In college, the management companies aren't the worst. I'm in one now, and I like it because I don't have the time, skill, or tools required to fix stuff when it goes wrong, and they get stuff done within 12 hours, no matter what. But anything that I'd have to live in for more than 9 months, and only 5 in a row, I'm in with a private landlord. Part of it is because I'll actually be able to get a garage with that.

  • triumph7

    Aug. 6, 2010 11:55 p.m. triumph7 Reader

    From the other side of the table, as a landlord I want to know who is living in my building, full or part time, not only for my interests but for the safety and comfort of the other tenants. Think about it this way, I may rent an apartment to an ideal tenant with good credit, clean criminal record and no evictions. Now, lets say she invites her gang-banger, drug dealing boyfriend to live with her. Now we have a bad situation that can endanger other tenants and your property.

    It should not be a separate lease but if you read the lease (recommended) you will see a clause stating who is permitted to live there, not being on the lease COULD get your girlfriend evicted.

  • Jensenman

    Aug. 7, 2010 8:41 a.m. Jensenman SuperDork

    triumph7 speaks truth. My dad's apartment complex had a major problem for a while with some dope dealers who moved in, what they would do: have someone with a clean record rent the apartment and sign the lease, then the dope dealers would move in. He had no way of knowing who was really living there since they would all tell the cops they were just visiting for the day, etc. The cops were worse than useless hen he called, since these people weren't on the lease my dad couldn't evict them, all kinds of stuff was going on. For instance, they used to shoot the street lights out regularly. SCE&G finally said they weren't replacing any more street lights.

    Then one afternoon my dad was driving through checking on things and someone shot out the rear glass of the Buick he was driving. Dad nailed it and hauled ass and at the same time he pulled his 9mm out of the glovebox. He called the police, when they got there all they could do was harass him about having the weapon in plain sight, never mind the window shot out of the car. It got pretty bad, the real low point was when a local lawyer/politician decided to make the apartment complex a poster child for him cleaning up the city and accused my dad of racketeering. To this day, that sonofabitch better hope he never runs into me in a dark alley somewhere.

    So yeah, the landlord has a very strong interest in knowing who's living there.

 
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