I never did make it out to get some beer.
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Jan. 9, 2011 11:29 a.m. fast_eddie_72 HalfDork
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Jan. 9, 2011 12:13 p.m. SVreX SuperDork
oldsaw wrote:
Is a foreign-national protected by the US Constitution's First Amendment rights? If anyone has that answer, please chime in.
No.
No hypocrisy, either.
A foreign national is protected by the laws of their nationality. We value that, and protect that right of people to determine their own governance.
Sometimes, that puts them in conflict with us.
We error gravely when we assume that everyone else has the same rights we do.
BTW, we also do not have the same rights they do. If you commit a crime in France, Afghanistan or Morocco, you are subject to their laws. You do not get to be judged under the laws of the U.S.
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Jan. 9, 2011 12:15 p.m. oldsaw SuperDork
Ignorant wrote:
oldsaw wrote:
Is a foreign-national protected by the US Constitution's First Amendment rights? If anyone has that answer, please chime in.
The NYT's and Guardian's decisions to publish the leaks is debatable, but is little different than any news outlet linking to articles originally from AP/UPI - which is a minute-by-minute occurrence.
To the 1st point, Your question highlights the exact reason why most of the world hates us... It highlights the greatest hypocrisy of all time. We are the worlds shining beacon of freedom, yet we support oppressive regimes and perpetrate oppressive policies around the world. Blame Iran on us.
So, assume he committed no crime(which I still believe he has not) in getting those files and acted as any news source in receiving and then publishing interesting stuff.. hmmm....
The "source" is the problem, not anyone who is given the information. If you're suggesting the US should concentrate efforts to plug leaks instead of those who publish them, I totally agree.
As far as supporting oppressive regimes and perpetrating oppressive policies, the US is guilty but hardly alone.
But we make a damn good scapegoat for a world full of hypocrites.
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Jan. 9, 2011 12:20 p.m. oldsaw SuperDork
fast_eddie_72 wrote:
I never did make it out to get some beer.
You should plan ahead.
I live in Georgia where alcohol sales are prohibited on Sundays - unless you're in a restaurant located in a "wet" county. Meals today are consumed in-house, as are any adult beverages.
I planned ahead.
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Jan. 9, 2011 12:37 p.m. Ignorant SuperDork
oldsaw wrote:
As far as supporting oppressive regimes and perpetrating oppressive policies, the US is guilty but hardly alone.
glass house + stones =
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Jan. 9, 2011 12:45 p.m. oldsaw SuperDork
Ignorant wrote:
glass house + stones =
Plenty of broken windows.
Especially when those with smaller glass houses are clearing their yards and using yours as the receptacle.
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Jan. 9, 2011 3:03 p.m. Curmudgeon SuperDork
But we make a damn good scapegoat for a world full of hypocrites.
Naw, the US is the Great Satan, remember?
It still seems really odd that Assange hasn't threatened to release a bunch of embarrassing Russian stuff. That tells me that 1) they are a lot better at keeping secrets than we are and 2) Assange is probably smart enough to know that were he to do so Putin and Co. would rub him out almost immediately. So he chose the US as a target since he can be assured all we will do is wring our hands and let attorneys argue while he points and says 'See how great I am? I embarrassed the biggest power on Earth and they can't do squat'.
Then the hackers and other fringe of society types send him money $10, $20, $50 at a pop so they can feel they have done their part for anarchy. Of course, Assange pisses the money away chasing Scandinavian women.
What an shiny happy person.
