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NickD
NickD PowerDork
10/17/19 1:27 p.m.
Duke said:

In reply to NickD :

It is astounding how much technology progressed between 1850 and 1920 without changing the fundamentals.

They were definitely a case of "Evolution over Revolution." There is a pretty strong argument made that steam locomotive development never really reached anywhere near what they were capable of and  railroads gave up on steam far too soon. After the lessons learned in the '30s with roller bearings, and Lima "Superpower" configurations, development just stagnated and manufacturers got complacent. They gave up on development of steam, they gave up on marketing and advertisement, just resorting to smear campaigns against EMD's FT diesels, and then as soon as the FT got a foothold in the market, they jumped ship. And studies show that the cost-per-mile between steam locomotives and diesel locomotives was much, much closer than anyone was led to believe, and that steam offered more horsepower-per-dollar than early diesels. And replacing entire fleets of perfectly good locomotives for brand-new engines ate into a large part of that cost advantage. The biggest problem was just one of perception: steam was outdated

Pennsylvania, a late adopter of diesels, arguably put the most development into the steam locomotive and got fairly close on unlocking what they could do. Their big T-1s were fairly easy to keep up to pressure, made immense power and were capable of insane speeds, and were very responsive to throttling (which is what gave them the reputation of suffering from traction troubles, engineers used to conventional locomotives would made big throttle adjustments, whereas the T-1 need much finer adjustments). Same with their insane Q1 and Q2 duplexes.

Delaware & Hudson was onto something as well, with their series of multi-stage expansion, extreme high pressure locomotives, but enver quite got them scienced-out. Again, the diesel locomotive got waved in front of them and they dove on it.

 

Steam turbines, though, like the PRR S2 or the C&O M-1, or the N&W "Jawn Henry" were never the answer. Too fragile, too slow to accelerate and only efficient in a narrow operating speed.

Ross Rowland's ACE3000 program in the '80s was onto something, but fell apart from railroads pulling their funding and internal politics.

 

914Driver
914Driver MegaDork
10/17/19 1:29 p.m.

The ones I had weren't just boiled in salt water, I can do that, they were rolled in salt when hot and steamy.  My throat closed up.

I have a can of Mortons I bought in 1978, only used to season cast iron pans.

NickD
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10/17/19 1:40 p.m.

NickD
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10/17/19 3:51 p.m.

NickD
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10/17/19 3:52 p.m.

NickD
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10/17/19 3:53 p.m.

NickD
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10/17/19 3:53 p.m.

NickD
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10/17/19 3:53 p.m.

Indy-Guy
Indy-Guy PowerDork
10/17/19 5:30 p.m.

This was posted over in the hot wheels thread.

 

WANT!

 

2_3
2_3 New Reader
10/17/19 7:59 p.m.

 

 

Appleseed
Appleseed MegaDork
10/17/19 8:38 p.m.

The most successful steam turbine locomotive was made by Lionel.

Donebrokeit
Donebrokeit SuperDork
10/17/19 8:51 p.m.

 

 

Appleseed
Appleseed MegaDork
10/17/19 10:56 p.m.

In reply to Donebrokeit :

914Driver
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10/18/19 6:46 a.m.

914Driver
914Driver MegaDork
10/18/19 7:02 a.m.

Nice bike!

914Driver
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10/18/19 7:04 a.m.

914Driver
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10/18/19 7:37 a.m.

sleepyhead the buffalo
sleepyhead the buffalo GRM+ Memberand Mod Squad
10/18/19 8:05 a.m.
NickD said:

Are these your old pics?   If so, are they scans of film, or your old jpgs, or... other?

NickD
NickD PowerDork
10/18/19 8:25 a.m.
sleepyhead the buffalo said:
NickD said:

Are these your old pics?   If so, are they scans of film, or your old jpgs, or... other?

I found a website called The Lost Engines Of Roanoke that had all these photos of 4 Norfolk & Western steam locomotives (M-Class 1118, 1131 and 1154 and W2-Class 917) as well as these two Chesapeake & Western Baldwin DS-4-4-600 switchers in the old Virginia Scrap Iron & Metal scrapyard. I'm guessing that some are scans of old film because the site has photos from 1997, which would be a bit before the rise of digital photography on a hobby level. Its crazy stuff, because the steam locomotives were all sent to the yard in the '50s and the diesels likely in the '70s, and they all sat on a siding, part in the yard and part outside the yard, reasonably untouched and intact until 2009. The owner wouldn't cut them up and he wouldn't sell them to rail fans, and then when he died in '09, in his will he left them all to the Virginia Museum of Transportation

Duke
Duke MegaDork
10/18/19 8:50 a.m.

ultraclyde
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10/18/19 8:58 a.m.

Photo credit - theradavist.com

Duke
Duke MegaDork
10/18/19 9:18 a.m.

1934 Henderson KJ streamliner:

RossD
RossD MegaDork
10/18/19 10:05 a.m.

Our front yard has about a dozen turkeys in it right now. Notice the bottom pic, there are two young ones laying on the edge of the grass.

NickD
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10/18/19 10:43 a.m.

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10/18/19 10:44 a.m.

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