Watching P1 of the Chinese Grand Prix, suddenly I'm glad to live in a country with strict environmental regs. The air quality and smog is so bad that you can hardly see from one end of the straight to the other.
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April 14, 2011 10:20 p.m. pigeon Dork
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April 15, 2011 3:17 a.m. Derick Freese Dork
I agree. It might cost more to do business here because of it, but our life spans are getting longer with each passing year as long as we don't nom on Big Macs every twenty to thirty minutes. I can live with emissions controls if it helps keep me from having these blasted late-night asthma attacks.
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April 15, 2011 9:55 a.m. heyduard New Reader
Yep. Reminds of the time I was flying out of Mexico City, which is stuck in a basin surrounded by mountains, years ago. You could barely see the plane on the tarmac, until the people carrier got to about a couple hundred feet; then you could barely see the terminal. And this was a sunny day.
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April 15, 2011 7:43 p.m. conesare2seconds Reader
For all the purported evils of Capitalism, the Marxist/Leninist/Socialist/Fascist economies pollute worse. Why? The Tragedy of the Commons.
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April 15, 2011 7:57 p.m. huge-O-chavez SuperDork
Agree with the rest in this thread.
conesare2seconds wrote:
For all the purported evils of Capitalism, the Marxist/Leninist/Socialist/Fascist economies pollute worse. Why? The Tragedy of the Commons.
but when the left tries to pass more regulations they are called Marxist/Leninist, etc.. etc... Irony no?
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April 15, 2011 8:09 p.m. tuna55 Dork
huge-O-chavez wrote:
Agree with the rest in this thread.
conesare2seconds wrote:
For all the purported evils of Capitalism, the Marxist/Leninist/Socialist/Fascist economies pollute worse. Why? The Tragedy of the Commons.
but when the left tries to pass more regulations they are called Marxist/Leninist, etc.. etc... Irony no?
It' all a matter of degrees, man, you know that. Even I agree that some of that stuff makes sense, but when they start talking about taxing carbon dioxide, come on, now that's just stupid. The company I work for makes industrial power generation equipment, and the various regulations (esp Cali) are silly. Does it really make sense to spend another 1-2 mil to bring your CO2 emissions from 10 ppm to 5 ppm? Really? And you wonder why electricity is expensive in Cali.
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April 15, 2011 10:11 p.m. Wally SuperDork
I don't trust air I can't see
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April 16, 2011 2:43 a.m. curtis73 Dork
Wally wrote:
I don't trust air I can't see
Best part of living in L.A. is that I could get all my minerals in one breath. Mmmmm....carbon monoxide.
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April 16, 2011 1:16 p.m. madmallard Reader
I would be more inclined to listen to discourse from environmentalists if it didn't consist of tripe like claiming businesses only want to "rape the land," and they didn't try to use the police power of the state to "punish" evil corporations instead of actually protecting the environment.
I don't have a problem with environmental protection laws. I have a problem with the environmental protection lobby.
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April 16, 2011 3:26 p.m. huge-O-chavez SuperDork
tuna55 wrote:
Does it really make sense to spend another 1-2 mil to bring your CO2 emissions from 10 ppm to 5 ppm? Really? And you wonder why electricity is expensive in Cali.
Depends on what you think those carbon emissions are doing.....
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April 16, 2011 4:15 p.m. fasted58 Reader
As long as it's not in your back yard you probably could care less. Ask the folks who experienced first hand the effects of the coal, coke, steel mill, strip and mountain top mining era... and lately Marcellus shale gas drilling.
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April 16, 2011 4:38 p.m. madmallard Reader
i have the same feeling about that as i do people who complain about living next to airports.
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April 17, 2011 3:24 p.m. mad_machine SuperDork
tuna55 wrote:
huge-O-chavez wrote:
Agree with the rest in this thread.
conesare2seconds wrote:
For all the purported evils of Capitalism, the Marxist/Leninist/Socialist/Fascist economies pollute worse. Why? The Tragedy of the Commons.
but when the left tries to pass more regulations they are called Marxist/Leninist, etc.. etc... Irony no?
It' all a matter of degrees, man, you know that. Even I agree that some of that stuff makes sense, but when they start talking about taxing carbon dioxide, come on, now that's just stupid. The company I work for makes industrial power generation equipment, and the various regulations (esp Cali) are silly. Does it really make sense to spend another 1-2 mil to bring your CO2 emissions from 10 ppm to 5 ppm? Really? And you wonder why electricity is expensive in Cali.
What about all those regs that came before that lowered it from 100 to 50ppm.. then 50 to 20ppm, then 20 to 10ppm.. Cali used to be pretty disgusting
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April 17, 2011 7:51 p.m. tuna55 Dork
mad_machine wrote:
tuna55 wrote:
huge-O-chavez wrote:
Agree with the rest in this thread.
conesare2seconds wrote:
For all the purported evils of Capitalism, the Marxist/Leninist/Socialist/Fascist economies pollute worse. Why? The Tragedy of the Commons.
but when the left tries to pass more regulations they are called Marxist/Leninist, etc.. etc... Irony no?
It' all a matter of degrees, man, you know that. Even I agree that some of that stuff makes sense, but when they start talking about taxing carbon dioxide, come on, now that's just stupid. The company I work for makes industrial power generation equipment, and the various regulations (esp Cali) are silly. Does it really make sense to spend another 1-2 mil to bring your CO2 emissions from 10 ppm to 5 ppm? Really? And you wonder why electricity is expensive in Cali.
What about all those regs that came before that lowered it from 100 to 50ppm.. then 50 to 20ppm, then 20 to 10ppm.. Cali used to be pretty disgusting
I am certain that the smog wasn't due to carbon dioxide. It's not visible.
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April 18, 2011 8:39 a.m. PHeller Dork
Smog surrounding most cities is photochemical smog containing among other things:
- Aldehydes (RCHO)
- Nitrogen oxides, such as nitrogen dioxide
- Peroxyacyl nitrates (PAN)
- Tropospheric ozone
- Volatile organic compounds (VOCs)
Health Effects:
Smog is a serious problem in many cities and continues to harm human health. Ground-level ozone, sulfur dioxide, nitrogen dioxide and carbon monoxide are especially harmful for senior citizens, children, and people with heart and lung conditions such as emphysema, bronchitis, and asthma. It can inflame breathing passages, decrease the lungs' working capacity, cause shortness of breath, pain when inhaling deeply, wheezing, and coughing. It can cause eye and nose irritation and it dries out the protective membranes of the nose and throat and interferes with the body's ability to fight infection, increasing susceptibility to illness. Hospital admissions and respiratory deaths often increase during periods when ozone levels are high.
Disclaimer: From Wikipedia
