Login Register Sign up for the GRM e-newsletter

Login to post Forums » Off-topic discussion » Finally lost my mind - Honda or Hyunda for new car « 1 2 3 4 5 »
  • Datsun1500

    Nov. 18, 2009 4:28 p.m. Datsun1500 Dork

    Again with the comprehension issue. MSRP of the CRV is 21995 including freight. MSRP of the Hyundai is 20745 including freight. You cant compare MSRP of the Honda with freight and the Hyundai without it and think you are getting a good deal. When you compare the real numbers the Hyundai is not that much cheaper yet you say the Honda is overpriced. You can try and spin the numbers however you want. MSRP to MSRP, invoice to invoice, even real world what you can buy either car for and the price of both cars is comparable. If someone buys a Hyundai because the perception of it being a lot cheaper than a Honda, they are mistaken.

    MSRP to MSRP using the real numbers is 5%. You can't throwout made up numbers to get your 11% difference. 5%, not 25% as first stated, or 11% using vodoo numbers

  • Bobzilla

    Nov. 18, 2009 4:44 p.m. Bobzilla HalfDork

    I pulled up Hyundai's site and it was 19745 with freight.(19995 +750 -1000 rebate) I'm guessing YOU are having a comprehension issue. I won't even mention what you can REALISTICALLY buy one for.

    Shoot, right now the larger, roomier Sante Fe GLS with auto is 21,245 (22995 +750 -2500), 750 less than the smaller, slower CR-V. And you want me to believe the stripper CR-V is really worth more than a Sante Fe?

    I think before you try belittling someone you should do your research. My "voodoo" is straight math off MSRP's. If that is too much of a problem for you to comprehend, I would say you should take 4th grade math over.

    EDIT: Oh wait.... someone's fudging their numbers now.... Honda's site calls for a base stripper CRV for 21545 + 710 freight fr a total of 22255. That makes the difference 2510, or 12% difference in price, meaning the hyundai is 88% the price of the honda with a longer warranty and lowercost of maintenance.

  • Datsun1500

    Nov. 18, 2009 7:41 p.m. Datsun1500 Dork

    Bobzilla wrote:

    EDIT: Oh wait.... someone's fudging their numbers now.... Honda's site calls for a base stripper CRV for 21545 + 710 freight fr a total of 22255. T

    The numbers you are quoting are for a 2010 CRV when comparing it to a 2009 Hyundai, why not quote the 2009 CRV prices? How can the CRV be a "base stripper" model when it comes with more than the Tucson? Even floor mats are an "option" with the Hyundai

    you first started with the Hyundai being 75% of the price, now you are saying it is 88% when comparing a 2010 to a 2009, so what is the magic number? What percentage does it need to be so you can justify driving a Hyundai for its "value"

    Let's look at that value if you want to sell the car or it gets totaled. I plugged a 2007 CRV LX and a 2007 Tucson GLS into KBB. To keep it fair I chose a 2wd, automatic, with 14K miles. I rated both as good condition.

    CRV Trade value $15,625, private party value $17,900 Tucson Trade value $9,975, private party $ $11,760.

    If I assume you are right and I can buy the Hyundai for $2500 less than the Honda, am I better off in 2 years when the Hyundai is worth $5650 to $6140 less than the Honda?

  • pigeon

    Nov. 18, 2009 9:55 p.m. pigeon HalfDork

    OK, we'll go back to BMW fanboi mode. How about the BMW cute ute, the X3. Here's a nice CPO (100k mile warranty) one with low miles (25k), nice options (premium package, xenons and auto trans) for a $24,900 asking price (probably 22k buys it) in Atlanta: BMW X3

    The X3 is basically a tall 3-series wagon. Decent rear seat - I've had 2 car seats in one as a service loaner a few years ago - and a large cargo area. Drives nicely though some find it a bit stiffly sprung. The 3.0 motor will run forever. No iDrive Nicer place to spend time than a CRV or Santa Fe IMHO, and the fancy badge looks nice too

  • Nov. 18, 2009 9:59 p.m. kilgoretrout New Reader

    Hyundai's and Honda's apparently evoke a lot of passion.

    Bobber: Did a Honda pee on your face at one point? Why all the hate? What are the EGR issues and trans issues that you speak of for the CRV? The CRV doesn't have the same exploding transmission problems that you'll find in its V6 brothers and sisters.

    FWIW my mother has been driving her '05 with absolutely ZERO problems for over 100K miles. I haven't been in the newest version but hers is a hoot to drive. The handling is very zippy for a mom pod.

  • Bobzilla

    Nov. 19, 2009 7:22 a.m. Bobzilla HalfDork

    Datsun: Go back and look again (comprehension). I never stated anything about 75%. Not once. And the OP has already made resale a moot point. So why harp on imaginary numbers that will mean nothign?

    I'd love to get you prices off Honda's site for an 09, but they no longer show them. I can only ofer the current ionformation available to us. Since honda's no longer offering a 2009 CR-V, you can't buy it.

    kilgore: Nope. No hate, just tired of the typical bandwagon "it's a honda so it MUST e better in every single way forever and ever" fanboi crap I read daily from the mindless and clueless. IT gets old. Fast. I'd be the same way if it was for Hyundai, GM, [insert brand here]. Honda has had issues with EGR since the mid 90's. Something they sure haven't fixed in the "upscale hondas" I see daily.

  • fastasleep

    Nov. 19, 2009 8:00 a.m. fastasleep Reader

    Brian,

    My wife and I bought a new 2007 Hyundai Vera Cruz in 2008. FWIW, we have put 26,xxx miles on it since. The Vera Cruz has been great, but the service department at Hyundai is lacking. I am guessing it is because the dealership is new. We were in the same boat with the children and the children's "stuff". The Vera Cruz has the third row of seating, but is somewhat a hassle to use. However, even with the third row in use, we still have a bit of room behind the seat for "stuff". The Vera Cruz we bought came with the (IIRC) 230 hp 3.8L V-6. The trans is a little shifty, but one can get used to it. It isn't annoying; it is just different. You don't have to take the car to the dealership for services. You DO have to keep your reciepts and document the services in the Maintenance Log. We buy Hyundai parts (filters, etc.) from the dealership and I install. Prices are not bad, either. After owning a Honda SUV, a Toyota SUV, a Saturn SUV, a Jeep SUV, and driving a few others, I would buy another Hyundai. Believe me when I tell you that I wouldn't just buy it because it was a great car for the price, but a great car (anyway) that I bought at a good price. We walked out of the dealership and paid mid-twenties for a new Hyundai. Yes, it was a year old and had 000101.5 miles on it.

    Also, be sure and check with your credit union to see what they can offer you in a new-car auto loan. The best Hyundai could do was 6.0%. Navy Fed offered us a loan that was WELL below that, so it IS worth checking on.........................

    -Les

    Tradin' in a SuperTurbo Mitsubishi for this thing?

  • slefain

    Nov. 19, 2009 8:17 a.m. slefain Dork

    Hehe, no way am I trading in the SuperTurbo MadTyteDorifto Mitsu, that car will be driven to high school by my son!

    I admit I've done a LOT more research on the car buying plan than my wife has. We are going to the Gwinnett Mall area on Saturday to tour the car lots and test things out. I am arming myself with as much knowledge about possible vehicles that interest her. She has brought up the CR-V just as many times as she has brought up the Santa Fe. She has also mentioned the Escape because our friend has one and loves it.

    Once she picks her mom-mobile it is then up to me to score it for the best price. I am going to try this approach: send an email to the local dealerships saying you want to buy X vehicle for Y price. If you would like to sell a vehicle please contact me. If you do not want to sell the vehicles for X price please do not contact me as I am not interested. Sit back, see who bites.

  • fastasleep

    Nov. 19, 2009 8:21 a.m. fastasleep Reader

    Being the mommy and all, ask her to check out the crash tests and safety features of the cars she is looking to buy. This may sway her decision.

    -Les

  • Datsun1500

    Nov. 19, 2009 11:58 a.m. Datsun1500 Dork

    Bobzilla wrote:

    Datsun: Go back and look again (comprehension). I never stated anything about 75%. Not once. And the OP has already made resale a moot point. So why harp on imaginary numbers that will mean nothign?

    Resale matters if you get in an accident. If someone totals the car 2 years later, you get less with the Hyundai

    I'd love to get you prices off Honda's site for an 09, but they no longer show them. I can only ofer the current ionformation available to us. Since honda's no longer offering a 2009 CR-V, you can't buy it.

    That's strange. When I go to the Honda site and pick build a CRV there is a tab that says 2009......

    http://automobiles.honda.com/tools/build-price/trims.aspx?ModelName=CR-V&Model...

    direct from the site....

  • Bobzilla

    Nov. 19, 2009 12:46 p.m. Bobzilla HalfDork

    Whatever.... you're obviously right and no one else could possibly be right. My apologies for tarnishing honduhs perfect record and impeccable, untouchable cars.

  • DILYSI Dave

    Nov. 19, 2009 4:23 p.m. DILYSI Dave UltimaDork

    Wow. Who would have thought that the most impassioned car argument ever to see the GRM board would be about two vanilla asian SUV's.

  • oldsaw

    Nov. 19, 2009 4:56 p.m. oldsaw HalfDork

    DILYSI Dave wrote:

    Wow. Who would have thought that the most impassioned car argument ever to see the GRM board would be about two vanilla asian SUV's.

    QFT

    This is more fun than some of those pesky political discussions.

  • slefain

    Nov. 20, 2009 9:08 a.m. slefain Dork

    DILYSI Dave wrote:

    Wow. Who would have thought that the most impassioned car argument ever to see the GRM board would be about two vanilla asian SUV's.

    Vanilla never tastes good for very long, chocolate is much better and more satisfying, but vanilla is cheaper....

  • pinchvalve

    Nov. 20, 2009 9:12 a.m. pinchvalve UltraDork

    Mom has a new CRV. Great vehicle, and Honda reliability speaks for itself. Even I have been unable to kill the ones that I have owned! Sure the warranty is a little shorter but who cares? You won't need it.

    A good friend of mine works for Hyundai, training dealers and making warranty repair decisions. He tells me that the Koreans are making vehicles every bit as good the Japanese. They still have to prove it to the general public, so they offer a longer warranty mostly for marketing purposes. (Goshen's idea BTW. Genius)

    The cool thing is that whether you buy a Honda or Hyundai (or Kia or Toyota) you are getting a great vehicle for the price that will easily run 100,000 miles without breaking a sweat. We live in a great time automotively-speaking!

    I was in a similar situation, and in my case I went with a used Kia Rondo. I can seat 5 and still carry a ton of stuff. With 12K miles, I spent just over $15K and still got a 10 year 100,000 mile warranty. Awesome.

  • Datsun1500

    Nov. 20, 2009 6:08 p.m. Datsun1500 Dork

    pinchvalve wrote:

    I was in a similar situation, and in my case I went with a used Kia Rondo. I can seat 5 and still carry a ton of stuff. With 12K miles, I spent just over $15K and still got a 10 year 100,000 mile warranty. Awesome.

    Might want to check that. The 10 year 100K warranty is for the first owner only. If you bought it used, you don't have it....

  • slefain

    Nov. 23, 2009 8:50 a.m. slefain Dork

    Well we went and looked at 20 SUVs on Saturday. My 3.5 month old son had infinite patience while riding in his car seat all day, being put in and out of SUV after SUV (Carmax, just went down the row).

    Surprises of the day:

    We didn't like the Ford Escape in any version.

    The Kia Sportage had amazing space in the rear and was nice inside. The sister Tucson was just as roomy. Extremely impressed with both of them. Shocked even. Baby and stroller fit well. Side curtain airbags are a plus.

    The RAV-4 has a side opening rear door, that is a no-go for me.

    The Pontiac Torrent got our attention. Never even heard of it. Did research on it and it definitely has our interest, but we didn't drive it. I know it is a GM, but the pricing might be right. It is a tall Malibu.

    Drove the 2010 CR-V. Wife liked it, I thought it rode like a buggy. I sat in the back with our son and I swear I felt every bump in the road. Lots of room though and the engine is peppy. Son was mildly upset during the test drive.

    Drove the Santa Fe. It rode solid and smooth. I know it is bigger but it just felt more "together". The rear cargo space is obscene, and there is a trunk UNDER the cargo area. Very nice. The rear A/C vents are a nice touch. Son slept like a log for the test drive.

    Looked at the Rondo, didn't like it at all. Very tall but still felt cramped.

    The Chevy HHR is a PT Cruiser clone. I liked it but the wife hated it with a passion.

    We looked at two sedans: the Accord and the Camry. The Accord had a narrower trunk opening (hard to put a stroller in). The Camry had a wider trunk overall, the stroller not only went in easy but slid all the way to the back.

    My wife liked the Magnum. I frick'n love the Magnum. The stroller fit in the back lengthwise! The wife wants me to look into them, I'm worried unleashing her in a car with 340hp. It is quite the fantastic family wagon though, obscene cargo space.

    We got a lot to think about in one day. The guy at Carmax was used to this thing, we just walked down the line opening rear doors. If the baby fit in the back and the stroller went in easy, THEN we asked what the SUV was and looked at the details. Funny how car shopping with a child in mind changes things.

  • Bobzilla

    Nov. 23, 2009 12:51 p.m. Bobzilla HalfDork

    Datsun1500 wrote:

    pinchvalve wrote:

    I was in a similar situation, and in my case I went with a used Kia Rondo. I can seat 5 and still carry a ton of stuff. With 12K miles, I spent just over $15K and still got a 10 year 100,000 mile warranty. Awesome.

    Might want to check that. The 10 year 100K warranty is for the first owner only. If you bought it used, you don't have it....

    CPO's do get the 10/100

  • Datsun1500

    Nov. 23, 2009 5:35 p.m. Datsun1500 Dork

    Bobzilla wrote:

    CPO's do get the 10/100

    Makes sense...

  • pigeon

    Nov. 23, 2009 7:22 p.m. pigeon HalfDork

    What, no X3s at Carmax? I remember those car-shopping-with-toddlers days. Yeah, priorities change when you're trying to cram a bunch of kid stuff into a vehicle on a daily basis. If there's a plan for a sibling, quit fooling around and just get a minivan. You'll thank me later.

  • pinchvalve

    Nov. 23, 2009 7:34 p.m. pinchvalve UltraDork

    Yep, CPO purchase from a dealer carries the full warranty balance. That's why I suffered the snake-oil salesmen instead of the friendly no-haggle used-car lot down the road.

  • Bobzilla

    Nov. 24, 2009 7:05 a.m. Bobzilla HalfDork

    pinchvalve wrote:

    Yep, CPO purchase from a dealer carries the full warranty balance. That's why I suffered the snake-oil salesmen instead of the friendly no-haggle used-car lot down the road.

    See... here, it's the opposite. The dealer has less snakeoil/shadyness than ANY of the used car lots. Let me rephrase.... they may ACT like they have less, but every one of those lots are ripping you off...

  • Jake

    Nov. 24, 2009 9:31 a.m. Jake HalfDork

    pigeon wrote:

    What, no X3s at Carmax? I remember those car-shopping-with-toddlers days. Yeah, priorities change when you're trying to cram a bunch of kid stuff into a vehicle on a daily basis. If there's a plan for a sibling, quit fooling around and just get a minivan. You'll thank me later.

    This.

    I know you said she's anti, but drag the wife along and drive some minivans, take the baby with. They are the vehicle of choice for multi-kid moms and families all over for a reason- getting kids in and out with a minimum of fuss is the benefit. If she has an issue with the look, well, that's what they make dark window tint for. In reality, the latest couple of crops of minivans has enough gadgetry on them to sway a lot of people past the look, and a few of them don't even look that bad to begin with.

    I'm in the market with you, sort of, so this thread is relevant to my interests. I'm still shopping for a trade-up for my '05 Mazda3. I've had it for 3 years, and while I'd like to keep it, in another year or two my kids will be reaching up from the backseat to strangle me for wedging them in there like sardines.

  • DILYSI Dave

    Nov. 25, 2009 7:56 a.m. DILYSI Dave UltimaDork

    I saw your next car yesterday. You said that wagons are a possibility, right?

    I saw a Mazda 6 wagon on my drive yesterday. It looked rad. All kinds of hot. You should get one.

  • mtn

    Nov. 25, 2009 8:08 a.m. mtn SuperDork

    What about a Mazda5?

« 1 2 3 4 5 »  

You'll need to log in to post.