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  • Graefin10

    Feb. 12, 2012 9:08 p.m. Graefin10 Dork

    I've tried several street cars built for rally. I tested one that I've had my eye on tonight and if you're interested it's the Acura DNX Concept. I built the 01 although I also have the 02. I painted it black with blue wheels that match the tinted windows. If the game would allow you to buy the "torque sensing center diff." the car would be right there with the WRC cars. The wheelbase is a little too long also. It doesn't respond quite as fast as you'd like it to but it sure does make an interesting rally car. If you're not familiar with it it's mid engine & does have 4WD.

    I also built and tested the Lancia Stratos. The car comes with a huge rear wt. bias. With some work I got it to where it was enjoyable as a rally car but not quite fast enough. However, before I moved on, I put a set of RS on the rear and RM on the front and it was just right. So I've got a great new race car out of a car that I couldn't stand to drive before. I knew there had to be a reason that they put the money into it to develope it into a good rally car. Check out the videos on youtube of the Stratos running rallies.

    I also did a final run with a few rally cars. I've found that with some fine tuning I can get most of them in the ballpark. Within about 1.5 sec. I've noticed Celica is fast in anything he shows up with. Man it's hard to run consistent laps on dirt and snow.

    Nick, I never listen to music when I'm on GT5. It's too disstracting for me. I put on head phones and listen to the sound of the engine. That helps me a lot.

    Speaking of engine sounds. Like Air said the Fiat 500s sound sick. The engine sound like static. I tested the Lancia HF today after the Fiat and it too sounds that way. What is it, Italian cars with a turbo are supposed to sound that way? Oh well, MOST of the engine sounds in the game sound good although I don't think all of them are very accurate.

  • Teqnyck

    Feb. 12, 2012 9:24 p.m. Teqnyck Reader

    My Lancia Delta was doing pretty well for the snow stage, but of course when I was pitted against you and Celica on my own tarmac stage, I was handily sacked

  • Grizz

    Feb. 14, 2012 1:32 a.m. Grizz Dork

    Way to go Grae, you have shamed me on my own course.

    I don't know what the hell you did to that Focus, but even after I got rid of the hp and weight restrictions I couldn't beat your time.

    So you were faster in a 345 hp 1230 kg Rally Focus than I and my friend were in a CTR2, Impreza 22b, Suzuki SX4 rally, Skyline Black edition, Impreza rally cars and even my Range Rover that I've built up into a 700hp rally raid monster truck.

    Closest I could get was +2 seconds on your time in the aformentioned Range Rover. It's ridiculous how damn fast you were in that thing.

    Thankfully, I did learn that running street cars is probably a mistake. My 22b that I like so much may be the same weight and power as that Focus, but I was still 10 seconds off on my best run. So know I'm back with no choices.

    Can I run the Rover? The 700 some odd hp is definately off set by the fact that it weighs 2000kg.

    Another thing, GT Special rally events = pain in the ass for the advanced ones. Tarmac was easy, 8 runs in a super Evo and I finished a minute and a half ahead. In the last 2 stages I went from 9 seconds up to 10 seconds behind in a 450 hp Starion. Which is not cool for something that takes an hour to complete.

  • Graefin10

    Feb. 14, 2012 4:42 a.m. Graefin10 Dork

    Grizz wrote:

    Way to go Grae, you have shamed me on my own course.

    I don't know what the hell you did to that Focus, but even after I got rid of the hp and weight restrictions I couldn't beat your time. .

    I was looking for someone with a rally course set up to practice on and there you were. Within a couple of corners I said, "yep, Grizz designed this". No, really, that is the most difficult rally course I've been on yet, BY FAR! It didn't take me long to realize that I had to run very different lines from the ones the DL projected. I also had to find a different way over the "SKY PROBE". I knew that thing had to exist somewhere. I actually think I hit the game's ceiling last night. I didn't know there was a ceiling. So I started going over the yump on the rt. side which turned the car sideways in the air but it always landed on the rear wheels which straighted it back out. Well, usually it did.

    Yeah, that Focus IS fast. I wanted to see how fast. The weird thing is I'm faster at Chamonix in the Evo but faster in the Focus on tarmac and gravel. Also, the Focus is hard to get used to at first. It's the most unique handling WRC car I've tried. You just have to trust it when the tail comes around to "know" what it's doing. On tarmac it just slowly rotates going into a corner and stops at just the right angle ready to accept more throttle input for the next straight. The weird part is that it feels like IT'S doing it, not me. Also, it's only a 5sp. But after I adjusted it a bit it doesn't matter.

    I've been trying to drop hints that it's not likely that a street car of equal wt. and hp to a WRC car can compete. I found a few that are close but still not quite there. If I could get that Acura DNX just a little faster, I'd definitely run it. Now just watch someone in a street car show up and "sack" us all as Teq. might say. If it happens, 'good on ya mate'. (think that in crococile Dundee's accent, not The Croc. Hunter's)

    BTW, you and your buddy BP were dong some impressive tandem snow drifting when I first joined you.

  • 92CelicaHalfTrac

    Feb. 14, 2012 6:09 a.m. 92CelicaHalfTrac SuperDork

    I'm reasonably sure i could stick with you all in the Delta.

    Other than that, the street cars suffer because they can't get enough downforce on them.

    I have an idea or two, though... Stay tuned.

    And Grae, i'm flattered!!!

    I wish i could explain WHY i'm quick, but i can't. The best i can come up with is that it doesn't seem to matter a whole lot if you have a wheel or not in this stuff. The only thing it might really help with is braking, but i've got a way around that. If you've been next to me braking, you've probably heard it.

    BWAAAaaaaaaWAAAAAaaaWAAAAAaaaaWAAAAAaaaaaWWWAAAAAaaaaWWWAAAaaaaaa

  • Graefin10

    Feb. 14, 2012 6:22 a.m. Graefin10 Dork

    In reply to 92CelicaHalfTrac:

    Yeah, but the thing is, you can hit the wall with the back of the car just as hard as you can with the front.

  • Graefin10

    Feb. 14, 2012 6:27 a.m. Graefin10 Dork

    Has everyone got there Fiarts ready? Mine's red in case it matters. I propose a test at Lemans tonight @ 9:00e.t. Two laps of high speed madness. Chicannes or no chicannes, what do you think? Or how about SS7 instead?

  • rickybobby

    Feb. 14, 2012 6:59 a.m. rickybobby New Reader

    I think I'll sit out the RR series. I think I have one of those cars.

    Definitely in for Rally. Still testing cars. Grae is right, none of the "street" cars I have been testing are anywhere near any of the dedicated rally cars. I also wish they would come up more often in the used car place.

  • 92CelicaHalfTrac

    Feb. 14, 2012 7:06 a.m. 92CelicaHalfTrac SuperDork

    I think i only have the RUF so far for the RR series...

  • Graefin10

    Feb. 14, 2012 8:45 a.m. Graefin10 Dork

    rickybobby wrote:

    I think I'll sit out the RR series. I think I have one of those cars.

    Definitely in for Rally. Still testing cars. Grae is right, none of the "street" cars I have been testing are anywhere near any of the dedicated rally cars. I also wish they would come up more often in the used car place.

    Just recently many of the WRC cars were available in the On-line Dealership. I bought most of the ones I didn't have. If there's one in particular that you're interested in let me know and I'll see if I have it.

    Re: the lack of RR cars, everyone check your inventory now and see what you're missing. Man, I'd hate for anyone to miss being able to run because of not having a car. Air, are you listening? I know you have some spares you offered as loaners. As it turns out Air, I DID have a Delorean. I was looking for Delorean, not DMC. I'll send it to you sometime today or I can make it available to the first person who says they need one. Your choice. I MAY have more than one or two of the Rufs I'll have to check. As was pointed out, the Fiats are available @ the new car dealership, as are the 49 Beetle and the Samba bus, and the 66 1200 if you got the DLC. Anyway, speaking for myself, and I'd be very surprised if it doesen't apply to everyone of us, I'd like to see everyone of us be able to run in both series. The cars can just be loaners to be returned after the crashfes . . . ah, series is over.

  • aircooled

    Feb. 14, 2012 10:13 a.m. aircooled SuperDork

    Yup, I have spares.

    I will have to do a definite count, but I believe I have two extra 49 beetles (not sure you can get them new, kubels are available new, not sure if you can share them). Fiats are available new. Sambas are available new, I have a spare DeLorean and Ghia, 66 Beetles can't be shared. I don't have any spare Alpines, put I might lone mine out.

    I have at least 2 RGT spares and 2 (I think) BTRs and at least 3 YellowBirds.

    The RR series should be quite entertaining, you WILL be missing out. These cars are great fun to drive on harder tires when you get used to them. It's kind of like slow motion, but if you like rally or drifting you WILL like these, you just have to get used to them. You do drive them a LOT like rally / drift cars (just a bit less slide of course).

    Grea and I ran a quick BTR race the other day, it was rather fun. Those cars are almost impossible to drive at 100% so the race comes down to not making mistakes, even more so than other races.

    I was hoping the F500 race would be an easy beginner race, but I am thinking it might be a bit more challenging. Those cars are a bit twitchy. Just be easy on the the throttle.

    I think I am going to settle with the Kubel / Bug race, with the Kubel at 700kg (ALL added weight to the full rear) and 80hp. Honestly, the Bug should be faster, but I haven't seen it. Not a huge disappointment if it is all Kubels though. With the full rear weight add, they are rather fun to drive.

  • aircooled

    Feb. 14, 2012 10:25 a.m. aircooled SuperDork

    A thought on the Rally series. The non-tarmac races are honestly going to be a bit of a mess. Whomever is in the lead at the start will have a HUGE advantage.

    One possible remedy to this would be to run the series more like a real rally. We could reset the room at "start" time and just let everyone run for best lap time for 20 min and have the room set for Fasted Qualifier First. At the end of 20 min, we start a one lap race, do a parade lap (no changing positions) and that is the result.

    Just a thought. What do you think?

  • 92CelicaHalfTrac

    Feb. 14, 2012 10:37 a.m. 92CelicaHalfTrac SuperDork

    I like the wheel to wheel rally action, but that's just me.

  • Graefin10

    Feb. 14, 2012 11:18 a.m. Graefin10 Dork

    In reply to aircooled:

    Either way is fine with me although your idea is more like an actual rally.

    Celica's just saying that because he's always up front.

    If we do have a wheel to wheel race try runing a line where the other cars aren't. Of course if they're already 5 abreast in front of you or if the course is narrow that won't work. Also, on the fast tracks drafting comes into play and you have to follow in a direct line. Oh well, if the game were easy we'd have lost interest a long time ago.

  • aircooled

    Feb. 14, 2012 12:12 p.m. aircooled SuperDork

    The first place finisher will likely be the same either way. It will be interesting times for the rest of use though...

  • Grizz

    Feb. 14, 2012 1:12 p.m. Grizz Dork

    Graefin10 wrote:

    I was looking for someone with a rally course set up to practice on and there you were. Within a couple of corners I said, "yep, Grizz designed this". No, really, that is the most difficult rally course I've been on yet, BY FAR! It didn't take me long to realize that I had to run very different lines from the ones the DL projected. I also had to find a different way over the "SKY PROBE". I knew that thing had to exist somewhere. I actually think I hit the game's ceiling last night. I didn't know there was a ceiling. So I started going over the yump on the rt. side which turned the car sideways in the air but it always landed on the rear wheels which straighted it back out. Well, usually it did.

    I love that course, tons of banking and it's really wide means it screws up all of your lines and you have to get inventive. It's also perfect for drifting.

    I've got a ton of snow tracks like that, only not as extreme. Tomorrow night, if y'all are willing to sit through me switching through them we can pick one for the series.

    Hopefully not Mt Jello Shot. That many corners and Nick couldn't be arsed to make it wider.

  • NickF40

    Feb. 14, 2012 2:43 p.m. NickF40 Dork

    Just to let yous know, I have yet to practice with you guys with an actual rally car

    Grizz, LMAO it's wide enough! It's not made for you to stay straight lol and if you were suckin down jello shots it would live up to it's name hahaha

  • aircooled

    Feb. 14, 2012 3:27 p.m. aircooled SuperDork

    Rules updated with new Kubel stats - Just remember to fully lighten it then add weight to 700kg ALL to the rear.

    Its a pretty fun car to drive that way.

    We could do an all Kubel race with no weight shifting, but it really doesn't drive like a RR car with the stock weight distribution.

  • Grizz

    Feb. 14, 2012 5:12 p.m. Grizz Dork

    I will not be practicing tonight, because I am getting absolutely wasted tonight, starting 5 minutes ago.

  • nicksta43

    Feb. 14, 2012 5:19 p.m. nicksta43 Reader

    CHEERS

  • T.J.

    Feb. 14, 2012 8:37 p.m. T.J. SuperDork

    I have some of the RR cars I can gift if someone needs one. I doubt I'll make the RR series. I may try to hit a few rally races, but I tend to see how big of a slide I can get and that's not the fast way around. I give myself bonus points when I get past 90 degrees off the direction of travel and then recover without hitting anything.

  • NickF40

    Feb. 14, 2012 8:59 p.m. NickF40 Dork

    Grizz, when your fully loaded, drive my track lol

  • Graefin10

    Feb. 14, 2012 9:04 p.m. Graefin10 Dork

    I bought another BTR tonight. Let me know if you need to use it.

  • aircooled

    Feb. 16, 2012 5:19 p.m. aircooled SuperDork

    I am setting up the scoring sheets and I have added a Qualifying column. I would like to capture what the qualifying order is. I am guessing I can take a screen shot as the race starts and get the order (unless there are more than 8 participants).

    I was thinking of doing some sort of hybrid scoring. Any thoughts?

    Also, for this series. Since neither should require pit stops (well unless F40 goes hog wild in a Yellowbird and toasts the tires off) I want to make the races more in the 15-20 min range, rather then the 25-45 min range we have done (call it the Grea hand preservation program if you like). This will leave us a bit more time so we can have a longer qualifying session for Rally, since that is where the real "rally" racing will take place.

  • NickF40

    Feb. 16, 2012 7:56 p.m. NickF40 Dork

    aircooled wrote:

    (well unless F40 goes hog wild in a Yellowbird and toasts the tires off)

    I lol'd

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