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HappyAndy
HappyAndy HalfDork
1/19/10 11:51 p.m.

I loved the audi at 1:20 leaving three smoking darkies on the tarmac, only three because the RH front looked like it never touched back down untill quite some distance after the corner!

How did they keep tires on those cars?

Adrian_Thompson
Adrian_Thompson Reader
1/20/10 7:01 a.m.
HappyAndy wrote: I loved the audi at 1:20 leaving three smoking darkies on the tarmac, only three because the RH front looked like it never touched back down untill quite some distance after the corner! How did they keep tires on those cars?

The service for these cars was amazing. Several service teams in helicopters, dropped in to roads after the end's of stages to rebuild them. It wasn't just the cars and fans that were out of control it was the events. Non of the canned 2.5 day event around a central location, rallies used to be 5 days and cover the whole contry.

4eyes
4eyes Reader
1/20/10 2:43 p.m.
93celicaGT2 wrote: The Audis just sound.... scary. The Audi 5 cylinder turbo motors are the only motors on the face of the planet that make my knees shake.

That's why I want AUDI to bring the RS3 to the US

Spinout007
Spinout007 HalfDork
1/20/10 3:30 p.m.

Ouch!

Some of these are great!

Adrian_Thompson
Adrian_Thompson Reader
1/20/10 3:37 p.m.
Spinout007 wrote: Ouch! Some of these are great!

Yup that vid's a real good lesson in physics. The cars that don't hit anything just keep tumbling and tumbling. It looks impressive but it gives time for all the energy to disipate. The cars that hit trees stop. Make that STOP. I wince when I see those. This should be required watching for any rally cage builder.

Spinout007
Spinout007 HalfDork
1/20/10 5:00 p.m.

Yeah after seeing some of those wrecks I'm giving the whole stage rally miata idea, a real long thinking. Cage design and implimentation would be key with it.

Keith
Keith SuperDork
1/20/10 5:13 p.m.

Man, those Finns are pretty hard on Fords in particular :)

There's one little hatch that shows up over and over, looks to me like a Justy but seems to be RWD. Any ideas?

Billy_Bottle_Caps
Billy_Bottle_Caps Reader
1/20/10 6:38 p.m.

Thanks for posting that, good God those things sound awesome!

Spinout007
Spinout007 HalfDork
1/20/10 6:57 p.m.

No clue keith. The one scene twards the end where the car literally disappears into the snow made me about fall over laughing.

DeadSkunk
DeadSkunk Reader
1/20/10 7:00 p.m.

I had the chance to attend the Rallye Criterium du Quebec back in the 1970's when it was part of the world Rally Championship. That was pre-Quattro, so the hot cars were the Rothman's Escorts. On a transit stage I watched Ari Vatanen jump his Escort 4 feet off the ground. No helmets on,100+ MPH and he was driving with one hand ! The other hand was waving at me, as I sat on a fence post spectating. Later,I watched his mechanics change the transmission in the car,on the shoulder of the road in 8 minutes ! On a paved stage they were blindingly quick with 2 wheel drive. A Group B car has to be amazing to see in person.

vwcorvette
vwcorvette New Reader
1/20/10 7:02 p.m.

Ur Quattro...FTMFW! Sorry 'bout the language!

Remember Sega Rally in the arcades(what's an arcade?). I always chose the Lancia over the Toyota.

cxhb
cxhb Reader
1/20/10 8:34 p.m.
93celicaGT2 wrote: The Audis just sound.... scary. The Audi 5 cylinder turbo motors are the only motors on the face of the planet that make my knees shake.

DITTO. It sounds like open wastegate madness just screaming at you. Then you also hear the anti-lag off throttle... LOVE the Audis...

Of course im only assuming they ran anti-lag back then, does anyone know if they did?

smog7
smog7 Dork
1/20/10 9:20 p.m.

I remember reading something about injecting fuel directly into the hotside of the turbo

HappyAndy
HappyAndy HalfDork
1/20/10 10:56 p.m.
smog7 wrote: I remember reading something about injecting fuel directly into the hotside of the turbo

I've heard of that too, I think the system was called "bang bang". IIRC it didn't inject fuel into the exh, but when off throttle it injected the regular injectors stupid rich and retarded the ignition timing to make the exhaust manifold into a flame thrower, which would explain the frequent flames out the tail pipes.

I'd like to know more about this if any one has some information to confirm this (or to refute it )

HappyAndy
HappyAndy HalfDork
1/20/10 11:01 p.m.
Adrian_Thompson wrote:
HappyAndy wrote: I loved the audi at 1:20 leaving three smoking darkies on the tarmac, only three because the RH front looked like it never touched back down untill quite some distance after the corner! How did they keep tires on those cars?

The service for these cars was amazing. Several service teams in helicopters, dropped in to roads after the end's of stages to rebuild them. It wasn't just the cars and fans that were out of control it was the events. Non of the canned 2.5 day event around a central location, rallies used to be 5 days and cover the whole contry.

I know they had awsome service teams for the cars back then, but I actually want to know if the did any thing special to keep the tires on the rims while driving like that through miles and miles of rough tarmac.

gamby
gamby SuperDork
1/21/10 6:39 p.m.
friedgreencorrado wrote:
gamby wrote:
Appleseed wrote: Did you see the Ferrari 308 at 2:42?!?

That's what I was just going to post about!!! I hope that car still exists in that form SOMEWHERE out there. That is wild.

Killer clip. I loves me some balls-out tarmac rally. All that sputtering and spitting is fantastic. That is proper motorsport, people. None of this over-regulated, spec-racer crap.

Found part of a French documentary on a team running 308s.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=InKWSP8n7vE

That was awesome. Damn--the car diversity was so great back then.

Teqnyck
Teqnyck New Reader
1/21/10 7:54 p.m.

I had goosebumps the entire 11 minutes, pure awesomeness!!

cxhb
cxhb Reader
1/22/10 6:37 p.m.
HappyAndy wrote:
smog7 wrote: I remember reading something about injecting fuel directly into the hotside of the turbo

I've heard of that too, I think the system was called "bang bang". IIRC it didn't inject fuel into the exh, but when off throttle it injected the regular injectors stupid rich and retarded the ignition timing to make the exhaust manifold into a flame thrower, which would explain the frequent flames out the tail pipes.

I'd like to know more about this if any one has some information to confirm this (or to refute it )

Well then i guess they did use anti-lag back then... Thats how it works as far as I know (someone correct me if I'm wrong)... The timing gets retarded so far, or spark is cut completely ( i think on some occasions) so as to push fuel into the manifold/turbo hot side so it ignites and spools the turbo off throttle and voila. No lag. Thats why they use stuff like inconel for the turbo/exhaust applications.

I watched something on Hans Stuck when he raced IMSA with audi and he said they he used techniques like left foot braking to keep the turbo spooled. Maybe they werent allowed anti-lag in IMSA?

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