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  • Ian F

    Aug. 25, 2009 2:23 p.m. Ian F HalfDork

    SVreX wrote: It's very difficult to inspire someone to zealousness with positive and encouraging words, but extremely easy to get people worked up over discouraging or fearful words.

    When was the last time you heard over the water cooler, "Wow, did you hear the nice things that guy on the news said last night?". Much more likely that you heard about something upsetting, frustrating, or bothersome.

    Well said.

  • vazbmw

    Aug. 25, 2009 3:26 p.m. vazbmw Reader

    Those are the verbs of hate/The actions of hate. Hate is only a state of mind.

    If uncheck hate will again result in those actions.

    bad things all start some where

    The statements similar to your own were stated during the rise of Hitler. He was pointing out why the German economy was doing poorly and who should be to blamed (all bs and wrong, but dressed as ligitimate). "we need to get our country back from them". "who do they think they are". "I remember when the country was great". "They are trying to take what I have".

    Then it grew from there. The actions started

    If he had start off with all the hate actions, I sure he would not have been listen to. He gave people a reason and a personification to hate and blame.

    SVreX wrote:

    ...However, it's important to recognize that what we call "hate" these days for the most part isn't even close. We're really spoiled to consider our free speech (which is often ugly) to come anywhere near rivaling the evils of Nazism, racial genocide, gender genocide, slavery, etc. etc. etc. Those things were hate. What we are now experiencing doesn't come close.

  • Rusty_Rabbit84

    Aug. 25, 2009 3:34 p.m. Rusty_Rabbit84 Dork

    I usually keep my butt out of the political threads because i dont want to see what other people are writing, it creates an image about that person. I dont want to come in, spouting my views and burning bridges of people on here, or for that matter, others around me in the office, at home, in the store, ect. Who knows, i might need a hand or some advise from these people. I have my own political views, and im keeping them to myself. Now, who wants to help me with my corner weights?

  • vazbmw

    Aug. 25, 2009 3:41 p.m. vazbmw Reader

    Good point. I am finished

    How do I get 1000hp out of s two stroke 50cc motor?

    Spread love

  • Aug. 25, 2009 4:34 p.m. SVreX UberDork

    vazbmw wrote:

    Those are the verbs of hate/The actions of hate. Hate is only a state of mind.

    If uncheck hate will again result in those actions.

    bad things all start some where

    The statements similar to your own were stated during the rise of Hitler. He was pointing out why the German economy was doing poorly and who should be to blamed (all bs and wrong, but dressed as ligitimate). "we need to get our country back from them". "who do they think they are". "I remember when the country was great". "They are trying to take what I have".

    Then it grew from there. The actions started

    If he had start off with all the hate actions, I sure he would not have been listen to. He gave people a reason and a personification to hate and blame.

    SVreX wrote:

    ...However, it's important to recognize that what we call "hate" these days for the most part isn't even close. We're really spoiled to consider our free speech (which is often ugly) to come anywhere near rivaling the evils of Nazism, racial genocide, gender genocide, slavery, etc. etc. etc. Those things were hate. What we are now experiencing doesn't come close.

    Verbs of hate? Actions of hate?

    So, your suggestion is that I am inciting hate? Nice.

    Have you lived in a place where slavery still exists? I have.

    Ever had your life threatened for your race, faith, or ethnicity? I have.

    Ever been shot at because of your skin color? Beaten? I have.

    Ever been in a racially mixed marriage? I have.

    Ever been run out of a community with machetes for your faith? I have.

    Ever spent an afternoon with a sharecropper? I have.

    Ever watched people dragged off a bus, beaten and sold into slavery? I have.

    I've lived in those places. This isn't close. I KNOW that I am privileged to live where I do, even with it's shortcomings. I'll do what I can to work tirelessly against injustice, but I won't insult the character of the men, women, and children who live with truly horrible hatred, pain, and fear by whining about how awful my life is. I know better.

    But if you'd prefer to believe that your life is somehow threatened by simple statements of the obvious on the internet, it is unlikely that I'll be able to sway your opinion otherwise.

  • vazbmw

    Aug. 25, 2009 5:44 p.m. vazbmw Reader

    vazbmw said:

    true. But thanks for the thoughts. I am listening and do appreciate them. They are by far more extreme experience to what is happening today. But please understand that similar experiences have happened here in America's history and not that long ago. Let's not repeat the mistakes of the past or present. Peace to all. Love to man and woman kind. Thanks again

    Verbs of hate? Actions of hate?

    So, your suggestion is that I am inciting hate? Nice

    Vazbmw: said:

    Of course not. That is not what I am saying. I agree with you. I am just stating that things all begin benign and grow. That is all. Not calling you out at all. Sorry for the misunderstanding

    SVreX wrote:

    Have you lived in a place where slavery still exists? I have.

    Ever had your life threatened for your race, faith, or ethnicity? I have. yes

    Ever been shot at because of your skin color? Beaten? I have. Attempts at been beating, yes. KKK protest, check. bad language, check. Property damage, check. Name calling, check

    Ever been in a racially mixed marriage? I have. marriage no. family yes

    Ever been run out of a community with machetes for your faith? I have. no machetes

    Ever spent an afternoon with a sharecropper? I have. yes

    Ever watched people dragged off a bus, beaten and sold into slavery? I have. no

    thanks for the thoughts. I am listening and do appreciate them. They are by far more extreme experience to what is happening today. But please understand that similar experiences have happened here in America's history and not that long ago. Let's not repeat the mistakes of the past or present. Peace to all. Love to man and woman kind. Thanks again

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