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  • aircooled

    Dec. 21, 2011 10:14 a.m. aircooled SuperDork

    An interesting observation, written by a (should be) outside perspective.

    I find it to have truthiness. I particularly like the line in the last paragraph (highlighted).

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2011/dec/13/fox-news-frighten-america-conservatives?hireddit


    Whoever wrote the political rulebook needs to start rewriting it. It used to be an iron maxim that voters' most vital organ was neither their head nor their heart, but their wallet. If they were suffering economically, they'd throw the incumbents out. Yet in Britain a coalition presiding over barely-there growth, rising unemployment and forecasts of gloom stretching to the horizon is holding steady in the opinion polls, while in the US Barack Obama is mired in horrible numbers – except for the ones showing him beating all-comers in the election now less than 11 months away. Even though the US economy is slumped in the doldrums, some of the country's shrewdest commentators make a serious case that Obama could be heading for a landslide victory in 2012.

    How to explain such a turnaround? In the United States, at least, there is one compellingly simple, two-word answer: Fox News.

    By any normal standards, Obama should be extremely vulnerable. Not only is the economy in bad shape, he has proved to be a much more hesitant, less commanding White House presence than his supporters longed for. And yet, most surveys put him comfortably ahead of his would-be rivals. That's not a positive judgment on the president – whose approval rating stands at a meagre 44% – but an indictment of the dire quality of a Republican field almost comically packed with the scandal-plagued, gaffe-prone and downright flaky. And the finger of blame for this state of affairs points squarely at the studios of Fox News.

    It's not just usual-suspect lefties and professional Murdoch-haters who say it, mischievously exaggerating the cable TV network's influence. Dick Morris, veteran political operative and Fox regular, noted the phenomenon himself the other day while sitting on the Fox sofa. "This is a phenomenon of this year's election," he said. "You don't win Iowa in Iowa. You win it on this couch. You win it on Fox News." In other words, it is Fox – with the largest cable news audience, representing a huge chunk of the Republican base – that is, in effect, picking the party's nominee to face Obama next November.

    This doesn't work crudely – not that crudely, anyway. Roger Ailes, the Fox boss, does not deliver a newspaper-style endorsement of a single, anointed candidate. Rather, some are put in the sunlight, and others left to moulder in the shade. The Media Matters organisation keeps tabs on what it calls the Fox Primary, measuring by the minute who gets the most airtime. It has charted a striking correlation, with an increase in a candidate's Fox appearances regularly followed by a surge in the opinion polls. Herman Cain and Rick Perry both benefited from that Fox effect, with Newt Gingrich, the former House Speaker, the latest: in the days before he broke from the pack, Gingrich topped the Fox airtime chart. Meanwhile, Mitt Romney cannot seem to break through a 20-to-25% ceiling in the polls – hardly surprising considering, as the league table shows, he has never been a Fox favourite.

    But it works in a subtler way than the mere degree of exposure. Fox, serving up constant outrage and fury, favours bluster over policy coherence. Its ideal contributor is a motormouth not a wonk, someone who makes good TV rather than good policy. Little wonder it fell for Cain and is swooning now for Gingrich – one of whom has never held elected office while the other messed up when he did, but who can talk and talk – while it has little interest in Romney and even less in Jon Huntsman, even though both have impressive records as state governors. The self-described conservative journalist Andrew Sullivan says that the dominant public figures on the right are no longer serving politicians, but "provocative, polarising media stars" who serve up enough controversy and conflict to keep the ratings high. "In that atmosphere, you need talk-show hosts as president, not governors or legislators."

    Fox News and what Sullivan calls the wider "Media Industrial Complex" have not only determined the style of the viable Republican presidential candidate, but the content too. If one is to flourish rather than wither in the Fox spotlight, there are several articles of faith to which one must subscribe – from refusing to believe in human-made climate change, and insisting that Christians are an embattled minority in the US, persecuted by a liberal, secular, bi-coastal elite, to believing that government regulation is always wrong, and that any attempt to tax the wealthiest people is immoral. Those who deviate are rapidly branded foreign, socialist or otherwise un-American.

    Some wonder if it was fear of this ultra-conservative catechism that pushed a series of Republican heavyweights to sit out 2012. "The talent pool got constricted," says David Frum, the former George W Bush speechwriter who has been boldest in speaking out against the Foxification of his party. Fox sets a series of litmus tests that not every Republican can or wants to pass.

    This affects those who run as well as those who step aside, setting the parameters within which a Republican candidate must operate. What troubles Frum is that it pushes Republicans to adopt positions that will make them far less appealing to the national electorate in November, with Romney's forced march rightward typical. Even if Romney somehow wins the nomination, he won't be "the pragmatic, problem-solving Mitt Romney" of yore, says Frum, but a new Foxified version. It was this process that led the former speechwriter to declare last year: "Republicans originally thought that Fox worked for us – and now we're discovering we work for Fox."

    So far, so bad for the Republicans. Why should anyone else care? Because the Fox insistence on unbending ideological correctness turns every compromise – a necessary staple of governance – into an act of treachery. The Republican refusal, cheered on by a Fox News chorus, to raise the US debt ceiling this summer, thereby prompting the downgrading of America's credit rating, is only the most vivid example. The larger pattern is one of stubborn, forced gridlock, paralysing the republic even now, at a moment of global economic crisis.

    The problem is compounded by a wilful blindness towards the facts. Ari Rabin-Havt of Media Matters says Fox has created a "post-truth politics", which is happy to ignore and distort basic empirical evidence. To take one example, Fox pundits constantly repeat that "53% of Americans pay all the tax". In fact, 53% pay all the federal income tax – but many, many more pay so-called payroll taxes. It's hard for a nation to make the right policy decisions if the public is misled on the basic facts. And misled they certainly are. A series of surveys has proven that Fox viewers are woefully ignorant of current affairs, the latest study revealing that it is actually better to consume no news than to watch Fox: you end up better informed.

    The extremism, anger, paranoia and sense of victimhood that Fox incubates are all unhealthy for the United States. But it's inflicting particular damage on the Republican party, which could well lose a winnable election because of its supine relationship to a TV network. It turns out it is not liberals who should fear the Fox – it's conservatives.


  • Cone_Junky

    Dec. 21, 2011 10:20 a.m. Cone_Junky HalfDork

    Never thought I would say this- Thank you Fox "News"

  • carguy123

    Dec. 21, 2011 10:43 a.m. carguy123 SuperDork

    Landslide victory?

    The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Wednesday shows that 21% of the nation's voters Strongly Approve of the way that Barack Obama is performing his role as president. Thirty-nine percent (39%) Strongly Disapprove, giving Obama a Presidential Approval Index rating of -18.

    It's amazing how people who applaud the one sidedness of the news, scream when Fox tries to tell it like it is. It's not what I want to hear so it must be wrong.

  • JoeyM

    Dec. 21, 2011 10:49 a.m. JoeyM SuperDork

    I'm not sure that brit tabloids are an "outside persepective"....The Murdoch ones are clearly going to be pro-fox, and the guardian - being - center-left - is clearly anti-fox

  • Cone_Junky

    Dec. 21, 2011 10:49 a.m. Cone_Junky HalfDork

    Fox "News" has been bashing the crap out of Newt. Since he is the self-declared nominee, they are shooting themselves in the foot.

    Even Glen Beck refuses to vote for Newt, that's gotta hurt.

  • DoctorBlade

    Dec. 21, 2011 10:51 a.m. DoctorBlade Dork

    Media Matters = Democratic PR Machine

    That's all.

  • 93EXCivic

    Dec. 21, 2011 10:51 a.m. 93EXCivic SuperDork

    JoeyM wrote:

    I'm not sure that brit tabloids are an "outside persepective"....The Murdoch ones are clearly going to be pro-fox, and the guardian - being - center-left - is clearly anti-fox

    This.

  • 93EXCivic

    Dec. 21, 2011 10:51 a.m. 93EXCivic SuperDork

    carguy123 wrote:

    scream when Fox tries to tell it like it is.

    HAHAHA.

    That is a joke right?

  • Tom Heath

    Dec. 21, 2011 10:53 a.m. Tom Heath Web Manager

    carguy123 wrote:

    It's amazing how people who applaud the one sidedness of the news, scream when Fox tries to tell it like it is. It's not what I want to hear so it must be wrong.

    There are two sides to that coin. I have yet to hear Fox News or Huff Post or CNN "tell it like it is". Anytime someone blames a disagreement on the other side being stupid, I smell BS.

    We'll all know next November...but I'll say the only 'publican with a chance at my vote (and nearly zero chance at winning the election) will likely be running as a Libertarian by then. The field for 2012 sucks.

  • alex

    Dec. 21, 2011 10:57 a.m. alex SuperDork

    Interesting article. Thanks for sharing.

  • aircooled

    Dec. 21, 2011 11:00 a.m. aircooled SuperDork

    DoctorBlade wrote:

    Media Matters = Democratic PR Machine

    That's all.

    Hmmm, oh well. It is curious that areas outside the US would take sides like that, but OK.

    Still, I find the basic premise of the article to hold some truth. You can't deny that Fox has a HUGE influence on the Republican primary process. They are in the business of selling entertainment (drama etc) and that is not really a good thing. Sort of reality TV combined with the presidential primary process.

  • fast_eddie_72

    Dec. 21, 2011 11:07 a.m. fast_eddie_72 SuperDork

    carguy123 wrote:

    Landslide victory?

    The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Wednesday shows that 21% of the nation's voters Strongly Approve of the way that Barack Obama is performing his role as president. Thirty-nine percent (39%) Strongly Disapprove, giving Obama a Presidential Approval Index rating of -18.

    It's amazing how people who applaud the one sidedness of the news, scream when Fox tries to tell it like it is. It's not what I want to hear so it must be wrong.

    I dunno.

    You're right, but that's only part of the story. Rasmussen ALSO says Obama is now beating "generic Republican candidate", who has always done much better than any of the actual candidates. Rasmussen also say that Obama beats Gingrich 48% to 37%. And no one has ever accused Rasmussen of having a liberal bias.

    Getting away from Rasmussen, looking at state by state polling of Obama vs. Republican, Obama right now has 229 Electoral votes that are looking pretty good. "Republican" has 191. That's not a very pretty picture for "Republican". When you replace "Republican" with an actual person who is polarizing the picture gets much worse.

    Will it be a landslide? Too soon to say. But if the election were tomorrow and it was Obama vs. Gingrich, I'd put every penny I have on Obama winning. The only thing that scares Democrats is the one candidate the Republicans seem determined not to nominate. Even if Romney is nominated, he has a tough road in what should be an election that gives him an edge.

    Is it because of Fox News? I have no idea. I don't watch it. But I'm puzzled by the whole thing and surprised by the candidates that keep emerging as the latest "frontrunner" in the Republican race.

  • mad_machine

    Dec. 21, 2011 11:11 a.m. mad_machine SuperDork

    fast_eddie_72 wrote:

      Is it because of Fox News? I have no idea. I don't watch it. But I'm puzzled by the whole thing and surprised by the candidates that keep emerging as the latest "frontrunner" in the Republican race.

    It's almost like a game of wack-a-mole. The candidate that sticks out most as frontrunner gets hit with a big hammer. It would be amusing if it were not so sad to see politics in such a state

  • oldsaw

    Dec. 21, 2011 11:14 a.m. oldsaw SuperDork

    aircooled wrote:

    Hmmm, oh well. It is curious that areas outside the US would take sides like that, but OK.

    Still, I find the basic premise of the article to hold some truth. You can't deny that Fox has a HUGE influence on the Republican primary process. They are in the business of selling entertainment (drama etc) and that is not really a good thing. Sort of reality TV combined with the presidential primary process.

    US politics have a direct influence on world politics so it's no surprise that foreign-based media opinions fall on partisan swords.

    There's no denying Fox's influence on the Republican primary process, but how its this any different than how media influenced the Democrat process in 2008? It isn't unless one willfully or ignorantly fails to see a difference.

    BTW, every broadcast network is in the business of selling entertainment. Some are more blatantly obvious than others and Fox is hardly a solitary offender.

  • Cone_Junky

    Dec. 21, 2011 11:17 a.m. Cone_Junky HalfDork

    mad_machine wrote:

    fast_eddie_72 wrote:

      Is it because of Fox News? I have no idea. I don't watch it. But I'm puzzled by the whole thing and surprised by the candidates that keep emerging as the latest "frontrunner" in the Republican race.

    It's almost like a game of wack-a-mole. The candidate that sticks out most as frontrunner gets hit with a big hammer. It would be amusing if it were not so sad to see politics in such a state

    Could we literally hit them with a big hammer? Because I would watch every debate if it ended with a BFH being swung.

  • aircooled

    Dec. 21, 2011 12:41 p.m. aircooled SuperDork

    oldsaw wrote:

    ...There's no denying Fox's influence on the Republican primary process, but how its this any different than how media influenced the Democrat process in 2008? It isn't unless one willfully or ignorantly fails to see a difference.

    BTW, every broadcast network is in the business of selling entertainment. Some are more blatantly obvious than others and Fox is hardly a solitary offender.

    Certainly media has an influence on all political campaigns. I think the point here is that Fox is realistically the primary influence here and Fox has gone way beyond the typical "entertainment" aspects of (lets say) network news.

    I know it is popular to call network news the "left wing media" and such and they may have a slight bent (it's not obvious to me), but it is WILDLY less then the slant that Fox (in general) takes. The punctuation that Fox makes in the form of anger / fear / paranoia is WAY beyond what you would see on (lets say) the NBC nightly news (which of course doesn't really have any opinion portions, which of course is part of the point also).

  • Joe Gearin

    Dec. 21, 2011 1:51 p.m. Joe Gearin Associate Publisher

    Fox news is certainly no worse than MSNBC

    Oberman, Hannity, O'Reily, Maddow, Matthews are all the same person on different sides.

    These are entertainment channels that focus on politics. They do not provide non-biased news. (even on their "straight" news programing)

    This is not where the real stories are.

  • mad_machine

    Dec. 21, 2011 1:55 p.m. mad_machine SuperDork

    Agreed Joe.

    I watch fox news at the Borgata because it is on in the cafeteria and I have no choice. Their news segments are not bad.. but once the talking heads come on...

    I find it funny that we watch CNN at Harrahs.. and some of the very conservative people I work with call it the "communist news network" because it is so "left".

    well.. it is left of Fox.

    My Biggest beaf with fox is not their politics though. I just hate how dramatised everything is. You cannot even watch the standard news on Fox without being bambarded with "breaking news" flashing on the screen and a constant fear that everything they are talking about is some sort of emergancy that needs your attention RIGHT NOW!

  • AngryCorvair

    Dec. 21, 2011 1:55 p.m. AngryCorvair SuperDork

    i was excited to hear a message from hillary2012now.org* on my voicemail last night.

    *not sure if that's really what it was called, but it's pretty close.

  • Ian F

    Dec. 21, 2011 2:07 p.m. Ian F SuperDork

    Hmm... it's an interesting theory... it does give at least a possible explaination for why the Republican choices for this election are so lame.

  • mad_machine

    Dec. 21, 2011 3:48 p.m. mad_machine SuperDork

    yes and no... I think alot of it has to do that the Republicans are smart enough to know they can't fix this countries woes right now. Knowing that, they are throwing sacrificial lambs out in hoping that Dems take the election so they can sit back and really blame Them for everything wrong with this country in 4 years.

    It is a risk, but if done right, it could keep the republicans in office for a couple of decades.. provided they still have a country to govern

  • Dec. 21, 2011 3:49 p.m. z31maniac SuperDork

    I thoughts what they did '08?

  • Brett_Murphy

    Dec. 21, 2011 3:52 p.m. Brett_Murphy Dork

    If I were a Democrat, I'd be scared of this guy == If I were a Republican, I'd want this guy to get the nomination, because he just might be able to win.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_positions_of_Gary_Johnson

  • Brett_Murphy

    Dec. 21, 2011 3:55 p.m. Brett_Murphy Dork

    Hit post to soon, had more to say, though I've said it before:

    What would Really help the political landscape in the USA is a strong third party. The problem is that the electoral system is currently designed to pretty much ensure that the two parties that are fighting for power will always be the two parties fighting for power.

  • aircooled

    Dec. 21, 2011 4:24 p.m. aircooled SuperDork

    Joe Gearin wrote:

    Fox news is certainly no worse than MSNBC

    Oberman, Hannity, O'Reily, Maddow, Matthews are all the same person on different sides.

    These are entertainment channels that focus on politics. They do not provide non-biased news. (even on their "straight" news programing)

    This is not where the real stories are.

    Agreed. But Fox news is way more popular then MSNBC. Fox is basically the "go to" spot for most conservative. It has, what you might call, almost a monopoly on conservative thinking / agenda. I am pretty certain you cannot say that for MSNBC (unless there are very few liberals).

    And that (I think) is what can be taken from this story. Since Fox is basically the focal point, and Fox (in general) pushes the same narratives / angles. You are essentially breaking down the entire Republican primary election process to what Fox thinks (and whomever might be making those decisions). And remember, Fox is likely taking a lot of those angles for entertainment (/drama) purposes.

    I suspect there is a very strange dynamic between Fox and the Republican party leadership. Not sure who is pulling the cart here.

    I really don't think Democratic candidates would be too intimidated by what MSNBC would think (certainly no more then ABC, CBS, but of course they don't have opinion branches), but for a conservative candidate, it would be very difficult for them not to pay attention to what Fox thinks / says. Heck, some of them either have, or will WORK for Fox at some point!!

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