But what's the deal with all the torx crap on the interior? There's a bunch if torx screws to hold the door panel on, and it still uses those plastic studs to hold it in place...arrrr.
Othe than that it's very cool.
Joey
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March 9, 2010 9:39 a.m. joey48442 SuperDork
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March 9, 2010 10:25 a.m. Redhornet New Reader
Jeep Wranglers are nice to have, miss mine. However I won't buy another one until they offer a diesel engine, so I guess that means I'll never own a Jeep again...
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March 9, 2010 10:29 a.m. Cotton HalfDork
In reply to Redhornet:
Do a 4bt conversion.
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March 9, 2010 10:49 a.m. joey48442 SuperDork
In reply to Redhornet: A diesel would be very cool...
Joey
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March 9, 2010 10:50 a.m. DILYSI Dave UltimaDork
Chrysler loved them some Torx fasteners in the 80's and 90's. Really all of Detroit did, but Chrysler the most.
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March 9, 2010 11:00 a.m. njansenv Reader
Redhornet wrote:
Jeep Wranglers are nice to have, miss mine. However I won't buy another one until they offer a diesel engine, so I guess that means I'll never own a Jeep again...
Diseasal Liberty.
I want one....
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March 9, 2010 11:09 a.m. JeepinMatt HalfDork
The 4bt is a cool conversion, but it's heavy and expensive. You could swap in a V8 much easier and get better hp/torque numbers (in the low-end of the RPM range, not just high-up) For example, the Chrysler LA 5.2L/5.9L. Can get those to work with the factory gauges. I thought the 4bt looked great, until I realized what it cost and its complexity. Checked the numbers and it's overshadowed by some easier options. The 4bt is a heavy lump, so I couldn't see weight being a deciding factor. And for mileage, I wouldn't expect a huge boost.
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March 9, 2010 11:35 a.m. DrBoost Dork
njansenv wrote:
Redhornet wrote:
Jeep Wranglers are nice to have, miss mine. However I won't buy another one until they offer a diesel engine, so I guess that means I'll never own a Jeep again...
Diseasal Liberty.
I want one....
No, he meant he'll never own a REAL jeep again.
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March 9, 2010 11:38 a.m. JeepinMatt HalfDork
DrBoost wrote:
njansenv wrote:
Redhornet wrote:
Jeep Wranglers are nice to have, miss mine. However I won't buy another one until they offer a diesel engine, so I guess that means I'll never own a Jeep again...
Diseasal Liberty.
I want one....
No, he meant he'll never own a REAL jeep again.
I hear that. Might not be any real Jeeps left. Word is that the Fiat overlords plan on a 2011 redesign of the Wrangler (so soon?). I haven't heard anything more concrete, but I'm not looking forward to it. Before the buyout, Jeep was saying that the post-JK Wrangler was going to move to independent suspension. Bah. Just kill it off and call it something different then. If I redesigned a Corvette, put in a turbodiesel 4-cylinder, gave it four doors and a hatchback, and front wheel drive, is it really a Corvette anymore? The name alone wouldn't make it one.
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March 9, 2010 11:56 a.m. Woody UltraDork
Jeep loves Torx. I do not.
At 8 AM today, I was buying two hex bolts to replace the two reverse Torx bolts at the top of the engine / transmission. Removal took hours (and new tools), reinstallation will take moments.
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March 9, 2010 12:57 p.m. DILYSI Dave UltimaDork
JeepinMatt wrote:
DrBoost wrote:
njansenv wrote:
Redhornet wrote:
Jeep Wranglers are nice to have, miss mine. However I won't buy another one until they offer a diesel engine, so I guess that means I'll never own a Jeep again...
Diseasal Liberty.
I want one....
No, he meant he'll never own a REAL jeep again.
I hear that. Might not be any real Jeeps left. Word is that the Fiat overlords plan on a 2011 redesign of the Wrangler (so soon?). I haven't heard anything more concrete, but I'm not looking forward to it. Before the buyout, Jeep was saying that the post-JK Wrangler was going to move to independent suspension. Bah. Just kill it off and call it something different then. If I redesigned a Corvette, put in a turbodiesel 4-cylinder, gave it four doors and a hatchback, and front wheel drive, is it really a Corvette anymore? The name alone wouldn't make it one.
Honestly, I'm amazed that the JK got a real front axle. I suspect that the next one is going IFS regardless of who is in charge.
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March 9, 2010 2:09 p.m. DrBoost Dork
I doubt (maybe I'm a fool though) that the Wrangler will go IFS anytime soon. It would be like JeepinMatt's vette described above.
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March 9, 2010 5:29 p.m. joey48442 SuperDork
In reply to JeepinMatt:
It would be cool if gm made a 4 door diesel hatchback though...
Joey
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March 9, 2010 5:34 p.m. joey48442 SuperDork
Is the jk even a "real" jeep? It seems so huge and ungainly. I've always thought of jeeps as being smaller and compact. JK (does it stand for Jusy Kidding?) jeeps just seem as bug as an H3.
Joey
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March 9, 2010 6:04 p.m. DILYSI Dave UltimaDork
joey48442 wrote:
Is the jk even a "real" jeep? It seems so huge and ungainly. I've always thought of jeeps as being smaller and compact. JK (does it stand for Jusy Kidding?) jeeps just seem as bug as an H3.
Joey
It is very much a "real" jeep. It isn't as small as older ones, but it is at least as capable, and in a lot of cases more so.
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March 9, 2010 6:42 p.m. joey48442 SuperDork
They just look akward to me. I still don't really accept the NC miata, even though it seems to be better in most respects. I'm sure my tj isn't a "real" jeep to some people as well...
Joey
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March 10, 2010 12:37 a.m. grafmiata Dork
JeepinMatt wrote:
The 2011 "redesign" is really nothing more than an interior refresh. We've been building a few 2011 pre-production bodies each day for the last week or so. The only difference on our end is mounting-stud locations for various interior components.I hear that. Might not be any real Jeeps left. Word is that the Fiat overlords plan on a 2011 redesign of the Wrangler (so soon?). I haven't heard anything more concrete, but I'm not looking forward to it. Before the buyout, Jeep was saying that the post-JK Wrangler was going to move to independent suspension. Bah. Just kill it off and call it something different then. If I redesigned a Corvette, put in a turbodiesel 4-cylinder, gave it four doors and a hatchback, and front wheel drive, is it really a Corvette anymore? The name alone wouldn't make it one.
The 2012, however, is where they could start to lose the core buyer. Rumor is, the '12 will gain around 5" in width, supposedly to make room for the battery packs for the hybrid version that will probably never see the light of day... Or, it could be to make room for a gun turrett on top.
There were alot of pissed-off people at work when we found out that Fiatsler had axexd the diesel for the N.A. market.
As far as the Torx fastener fascination, my theory is that Chrysler invested heavily in the Torx-futures market back when they were still selling cars, and now are left with several billion of them that they need to use.
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March 10, 2010 5:36 a.m. ignorant UltimaDork
njansenv wrote:
Redhornet wrote:
Jeep Wranglers are nice to have, miss mine. However I won't buy another one until they offer a diesel engine, so I guess that means I'll never own a Jeep again...
Diseasal Liberty.
I want one....
Me too.. Until I go to lostkjs.com and read all about the problems with the engines. Then.. I think twice.
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March 10, 2010 6:28 a.m. JeepinMatt HalfDork
grafmiata wrote:
JeepinMatt wrote:
The 2011 "redesign" is really nothing more than an interior refresh. We've been building a few 2011 pre-production bodies each day for the last week or so. The only difference on our end is mounting-stud locations for various interior components.I hear that. Might not be any real Jeeps left. Word is that the Fiat overlords plan on a 2011 redesign of the Wrangler (so soon?). I haven't heard anything more concrete, but I'm not looking forward to it. Before the buyout, Jeep was saying that the post-JK Wrangler was going to move to independent suspension. Bah. Just kill it off and call it something different then. If I redesigned a Corvette, put in a turbodiesel 4-cylinder, gave it four doors and a hatchback, and front wheel drive, is it really a Corvette anymore? The name alone wouldn't make it one.
The 2012, however, is where they could start to lose the core buyer. Rumor is, the '12 will gain around 5" in width, supposedly to make room for the battery packs for the hybrid version that will probably never see the light of day... Or, it could be to make room for a gun turrett on top.
There were alot of pissed-off people at work when we found out that Fiatsler had axexd the diesel for the N.A. market.
As far as the Torx fastener fascination, my theory is that Chrysler invested heavily in the Torx-futures market back when they were still selling cars, and now are left with several billion of them that they need to use.
Another 5" on top of what the JK gained over the TJ? The JK already looks a bit wide; not bad, just a little jarring.
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March 10, 2010 7:53 a.m. 914Driver UltraDork
Torx. Someone tried to convince me that these are Metric Allens.
Not buying it.
Dan
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March 10, 2010 9:00 a.m. pinchvalve UberDork
I liked the color scheme and simplicity of this concept. Will paint my CJ7 this color...when I buy one.
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March 10, 2010 9:16 a.m. neon4891 UberDork
I would only but an Unlimited JK, for the practicality of 4 doors, usable back seat, cargo room, ect... For 2 doors I would MUCH rather get a TJ. I want one so bad, but price, insurance, and gas have my wallet crying bloody murder.
Maybe a cherokee, or for open air fun, a tracker.
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March 10, 2010 9:24 a.m. joey48442 SuperDork
In reply to neon4891:
My full coverage for the 99 tj is 589 for six monthes, an I just got a quote for under 400 from another company. Not bad, in my opinion.
Joey
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March 10, 2010 9:26 a.m. joey48442 SuperDork
joey48442 wrote:
In reply to JeepinMatt:
It would be cool if gm made a 4 door diesel hatchback though...
Joey
It just occurred to me that gm DID make a 4 door diesel hatchback called the 'vette.
The CHEvette....
Joey
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March 10, 2010 10:07 a.m. grafmiata Dork
JeepinMatt wrote:
It's still speculation at this point, but we've been hearing it for a couple years now. Hopefully it doesn't happen.grafmiata wrote:
JeepinMatt wrote:
The 2011 "redesign" is really nothing more than an interior refresh. We've been building a few 2011 pre-production bodies each day for the last week or so. The only difference on our end is mounting-stud locations for various interior components.I hear that. Might not be any real Jeeps left. Word is that the Fiat overlords plan on a 2011 redesign of the Wrangler (so soon?). I haven't heard anything more concrete, but I'm not looking forward to it. Before the buyout, Jeep was saying that the post-JK Wrangler was going to move to independent suspension. Bah. Just kill it off and call it something different then. If I redesigned a Corvette, put in a turbodiesel 4-cylinder, gave it four doors and a hatchback, and front wheel drive, is it really a Corvette anymore? The name alone wouldn't make it one.
The 2012, however, is where they could start to lose the core buyer. Rumor is, the '12 will gain around 5" in width, supposedly to make room for the battery packs for the hybrid version that will probably never see the light of day... Or, it could be to make room for a gun turrett on top.
There were alot of pissed-off people at work when we found out that Fiatsler had axexd the diesel for the N.A. market.
As far as the Torx fastener fascination, my theory is that Chrysler invested heavily in the Torx-futures market back when they were still selling cars, and now are left with several billion of them that they need to use.
Another 5" on top of what the JK gained over the TJ? The JK already looks a bit wide; not bad, just a little jarring.
The JK is already painfully slow and gets pretty dismal mpg. Adding more frontal area to the vehicle just doesn't seem like a recipe for success to me... Unless there's something in the works engine-wise that we haven't heard about, but I'm not holding my breath.
