John Brown wrote:Wait a minute... Spec 2.2L
Any naturally aspirated 2.2L vehicle!
Like one of these?
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May 21, 2009 1:10 p.m. Salanis UltraDork
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May 21, 2009 1:11 p.m. John Brown MegaDork
I think carburetion/injection should be open, but I will accept no opened boxes and stock programming only. Natural aspiration only as well.
No year requirements (no exclusions just because the 1.5 CiViC has more suspension bits available for it)
Also a tire spec?
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May 21, 2009 1:11 p.m. John Brown MegaDork
Salanis wrote:
John Brown wrote:
Wait a minute... Spec 2.2L
Any naturally aspirated 2.2L vehicle!
Like one of these?
EXACTLY what I was going to trump Wallys Cavalier with.
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May 21, 2009 1:17 p.m. David S. Wallens Editorial Director
Okay, how about this. It would be a sub-class at the Challenge:
Caveman Class
No power tools shall be used during the car’s construction--no welders, no machining, no air tools.
Cars must use a carburetor(s) or mechanical fuel injection. No ECUs.
Each Caveman Class car shall sport something primitive: animal skin or bone, ideally.
All other Challenge rules apply.
If there’s more than six CC cars, we can break them up:
CCU: under 2 liters CCO: above 2 liters
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May 21, 2009 1:44 p.m. JFX001 Dork
I vote that we keep this limited to 4 cylinder engines, in spirit with the original Capt. Slow theme.
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May 21, 2009 1:46 p.m. nickel_dime Dork
Caveman Class, I like it. Would it have to actual animal skin and bones or a replica of such?
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May 21, 2009 1:47 p.m. alfadriver HalfDork
David S. Wallens wrote:
Okay, how about this. It would be a sub-class at the Challenge:
Caveman Class
No power tools shall be used during the car’s construction--no welders, no machining, no air tools.
Cars must use a carburetor(s) or mechanical fuel injection. No ECUs.
Each Caveman Class car shall sport something primitive: animal skin or bone, ideally.
All other Challenge rules apply.
If there’s more than six CC cars, we can break them up:
CCU: under 2 liters CCO: above 2 liters
Can we make just a single exception? Roll bar fabrication? There are enough open cars that would qualify for this (including one a friend owns, not my former car), but that pretty much requres a bar to run down the drag strip. Of course the cost would still be part of the bill....
Other than that, I think I can find out what was done with power and replace accordingly (or just flat out remove).
Eric
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May 21, 2009 2:01 p.m. David S. Wallens Editorial Director
We could add this:
Open cars may run a roll bar that mimics a commercially available bar.
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May 21, 2009 2:18 p.m. DILYSI Dave UltimaDork
I think it might hurt the other kids feelings if I win sub-$1000, caveman, and overall; so I'll use an impact on my project so that the rest of you have something to compete for.
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May 21, 2009 2:33 p.m. John Brown MegaDork
Someone needs to build a "hand" operated welder out of a pedal sewing machine and a one wire alternator.
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May 21, 2009 2:35 p.m. ckosacranoid HalfDork
i have somone reading over my sholder that says if some one would send him a mini he would be all over this...not sure it would get paid for though, but he would try....
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May 21, 2009 2:42 p.m. ckosacranoid HalfDork
and after rereading the tread it gets almost as bad as the tread about the church of the holy cone....
this tread is being blessed by the church by the way..... hhhmmmmnew trouphy....a sighed copy of the bible from myself...just for anyway that wins this class.....
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May 21, 2009 2:44 p.m. Keith UberDork
I expect many people to start checking out some of the tool solutions used in Africa. A pedal-powered welder seems right at home there.
As for "small engine better because it's slow" - keep in mind that Capt. Slow is British. Which means small engines are easy to find. Those 1275s were vomited out by the millions. He's also chosen fairly inexpensive cars. Minis and Midgets litter the landscape. The trick is to find something similar here. Also, the British don't have quite the same approach to safety in racing that we do in North America. Not judging, just saying.
Of course, I'm concentrating on the car selection. It's the caveman aspect everyone else is talking about :) I can see myself "shaving" a head with a big piece of sandpaper on a perfectly flat surface...
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May 21, 2009 2:54 p.m. alfadriver HalfDork
Keith wrote:
Of course, I'm concentrating on the car selection. It's the caveman aspect everyone else is talking about :) I can see myself "shaving" a head with a big piece of sandpaper on a perfectly flat surface...
Keep the hand pressure even....
And I'll contact the guy to see if he's still interested. The cool thing is that Fiberglass is STILL ok!! (right?)
Eric
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May 21, 2009 3:05 p.m. David S. Wallens Editorial Director
Keith wrote:
I expect many people to start checking out some of the tool solutions used in Africa. A pedal-powered welder seems right at home there.
Well, except for the part that says "no welders."
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May 21, 2009 3:10 p.m. Chris_V SuperDork
Keith wrote: May probably chose the BMC 1275 because it's available a boatload of cheap cars, it's just barely of the industrial age - and there are all sorts of cool hop-ups you could do.
The thing I take away from this, especially after reading all the other posts, is May is proposing not a single displacement series, but a single engine series. that's a lot different than capping it at say, 1500ccs and then getting a wide variety of cars to compete.
it'd be more along the lines of sighting on, say, the iron Duke 4 cyl from GM and every car that it was available in, from Fieros to Monzas and S10s, and Citations to Camaros, and...
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May 21, 2009 3:10 p.m. ansonivan New Reader
Brazing.
Not a power tool
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May 21, 2009 3:10 p.m. Keith UberDork
I think, if you construct the welder and energize it with muscle power, you should be allowed to use a welder :)
I like the Iron Duke suggestion. Seems to appear in the perfect class of cars! Dodge 2.2 (non-turbo) may suit as well, or maybe whatever was in the Rabbit.
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May 21, 2009 3:18 p.m. alfadriver HalfDork
David S. Wallens wrote:
Keith wrote:
I expect many people to start checking out some of the tool solutions used in Africa. A pedal-powered welder seems right at home there.
Well, except for the part that says "no welders."
Heck, even pop rivets will be a pain. Finding a hand powered hand drill will not be easy....
This should be fun! (and fairly easy to "regulate")
Eric
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May 21, 2009 3:19 p.m. John Brown MegaDork
Hammer and nail work well as a drill in a pinch ;)
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May 21, 2009 3:35 p.m. David S. Wallens Editorial Director
John Brown wrote:
Hammer and nail work well as a drill in a pinch ;)
Winner!
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May 21, 2009 3:59 p.m. John Brown MegaDork
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May 21, 2009 5:03 p.m. TJ Reader
Does this count in caveman class? Four footpower I guess would count as under 2 liters right?
WILMA!
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May 21, 2009 7:36 p.m. Carson HalfDork
I wish I still had my '82 Civic. It would have been perfect for this. 1400# without interior, I could fit 195/50-15s without a rub, I didn't have access to power in my storage unit so it was completely hand built. Mine had the 3 barrel carb 1500cc CVCC engine but a Canadian non-CVCC 1300cc built the way the ice racers up north do/did would be the hot set up.
I had maybe $75 in it when I had to give it up.
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May 21, 2009 8:39 p.m. P71 Dork
The only thing I have to add to this is that 12A rotary engines are under 1300cc (heck the 13B is 1308cc), come with a carburetor (4Bbl Nikki), and are generally cave-man friendly...
