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  • tuna55

    April 21, 2011 11:38 a.m. tuna55 Dork

    keethrax wrote:

    16vCorey wrote:

    Now if they'd just actuate valves with electronic actuators instead of camshafts we'd have infinitely variable valve timing and no parasitic drag of (sometimes multiple) camshafts. It seems like it would be easy enough to keep them in time with a crank sensor. Just have a fail safe that would immediately close the valves if there was a problem and you wouldn't have to worry about interference engine issues.

    I have a sneaking suspicion (but no solid evidence or specific knowledge) that electronic actuators with a sufficient mtbf under the conditions they'd be operating at would be too pricey to be worth it. But I'd love to be wrong on that, because if I am, there's all kinds of cool E36 M3 you could do.

    I looked into it at one point. here are the issues:

    Opening speed is dependent upon temperature and can't be done in stages (example, it you had an infinitely fast, infinitely positionable actuator, you could draw the absolute best cam profile for the valve seat - super quick opening and tapering closing) and the actuators wear out giving slower reactions. Current high grade solenoids are rated for X cycles which turned out to be something like a few hours/days of run time.

    They are absolute power hogs

    They heat up like mad, adding to the other issues

    They are actually not that strong unless you go big.

  • ReverendDexter

    April 21, 2011 11:39 a.m. ReverendDexter SuperDork

    tuna55 wrote:

    In reply to 16vCorey:

    Add in a better valve design than a poppet - a ball for instance would work way better and not oscillate, but spin.

    Like these? Coates rotary valve

  • tuna55

    April 21, 2011 11:46 a.m. tuna55 Dork

    ReverendDexter wrote:

    tuna55 wrote:

    In reply to 16vCorey:

    Add in a better valve design than a poppet - a ball for instance would work way better and not oscillate, but spin.

    Like these? Coates rotary valve

    For some reason they never actually went anywhere, but yeah, sorta like that. I've seen those before. As a ME I'd presume the balls and the seats would need to be made out of ceramic and I have no idea how you'd keep them lubed and keep them sealed, though. I think rotating discs could work with springs pushing down, but it's the same thing, you're going to have to deal with rotaryesque oil consumption.

  • keethrax

    April 21, 2011 11:57 a.m. keethrax Reader

    tuna55 wrote:

    I looked into it at one point. here are the issues:

    Opening speed is dependent upon temperature and can't be done in stages (example, it you had an infinitely fast, infinitely positionable actuator, you could draw the absolute best cam profile for the valve seat - super quick opening and tapering closing) and the actuators wear out giving slower reactions. Current high grade solenoids are rated for X cycles which turned out to be something like a few hours/days of run time.

    They are absolute power hogs

    They heat up like mad, adding to the other issues

    They are actually not that strong unless you go big.

    Thanks! I suspected many of these were the case, but it's a bit out of any area I have real knowledge of.

  • Jay_W

    April 21, 2011 12:06 p.m. Jay_W HalfDork

    How does one keep the lenses from fouling?

  • keethrax

    April 21, 2011 12:17 p.m. keethrax Reader

    Jay_W wrote:

    How does one keep the lenses from fouling?

    I dunno, that's the one thing I've been trying to puzzle out.

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