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  • SVreX

    Nov. 12, 2011 3:17 p.m. SVreX SuperDork

    I've decided to get AutoCad. I am a beginner at AutoCad, but a reasonably experienced CAD user (other systems).

    I have a lot of need to exchange files at work with other CAD workers, and most use AutoCad.

    But I'm also pretty married to my MacBook Pro.

    There seems to be an unlimited set of variations on AutoCad, and I'm trying to sort out where to start (without breaking the bank).

    My immediate needs are fairly basic (floorplans, site plans).

    Within 4-6 months, I will be doing piping and electrical drawings, topographicals, and P&ID's. I will need to be able to layer these onto floorplans I have drawn.

    I will be building a complete set of as-builts and new expansion documents for a small chemical plant over the next 12 months. That's a lot of piping, valves, and instrumentation. The hope is that each layer and import builds on the previous until we have a complete set.

    I also need to be able to import drawings from architects, engineers, and subcontractors, and add them to my drawings. Most of them use PC's, and run AutoCad 2010, or 2012. Some use larger packages.

    Sometime after the first year, it is possible I will be wanting to expand the drawings into a full 3D model. This is NOT a definite- the software does not need to 3D model initially, only be building drawings that potentially can be converted later.

    So, I don't want to spend a fortune, but the needs will be expand reasonably quickly. Automotive design would be fun, but completely unnecessary.

    I would buy Lite, but I am concerned that when I import data from vendors with more complete systems, it may update the files to the point I can no longer read them.

    Thoughts? Where do I begin?

  • Ian F

    Nov. 12, 2011 7:42 p.m. Ian F SuperDork

    You'll need a Windows emulator. AutoDesk has thus far refused to offer a Mac OS version of AutoCAD.

    TurboCAD offers a MAC version that 'should' do what you need - $499. Browsing the website, the one issue I see that would need to be verified is xrefs. I don't see any mention of them and that is pretty critical when working with ACAD drawings.

    The need to run ACAD is the main reason I use a Windows machine (I started out on Macs). ACAD is a flakey enough program under the best circumstances. We're running release 2012 at work, and my workstation is pretty new: Win7, 64 bit, 4 gigs ram, CAD-optimized video card (game-oriented cards don't seem to work well). It can barely keep up sometimes.

  • Duke

    Nov. 13, 2011 7:15 a.m. Duke SuperDork

    Ian F wrote:

    You'll need a Windows emulator. AutoDesk has thus far refused to offer a Mac OS version of AutoCAD.

    Actually, that's not true. They did have an older version, which was available for a short time and then abandoned. And the current version is again available on the Mac.

    That being said, AutoCAD is a hideously expensive, flawed product and even though I've been using it for more than 20 years I still hate it. I suggest you look into some of the compatible programs that are available unless you need discipline-specific packages that are only available from AutoDesk.

    I'm jammed up for time right now, but I will try to revisit this later.

  • SVreX

    Nov. 13, 2011 7:49 a.m. SVreX SuperDork

    Are you guys sure?

    AutoCad products for Mac

    It sure looks like they have Mac products.

    I have a Windows emulator, I'd just rather work in the Mac environment (and the boss is REALLY married to his Mac).

    I am familiar with the flaws, but had given in because it is basically the industry standard. What are some of the good compatible programs?

  • Nov. 13, 2011 3:04 p.m. 93gsxturbo HalfDork

    We call it "Autobad" at work. Went to solidworks and never looked back.

    I spose if you are doing all 2D work its still really good, I have a copy I use to draw out flanges and whatnot to send to the machine shop. Its sort of the standard in the industry for 2D work.

  • SVreX

    Nov. 13, 2011 3:06 p.m. SVreX SuperDork

    We are definitely starting with 2D, and need to communicate with folks in the industry standard (.dwg).

    Can Solidworks import and export .dwg's? Is it an option for 2D?

  • Ian F

    Nov. 13, 2011 10:21 p.m. Ian F SuperDork

    SVreX wrote:

    Are you guys sure?

    AutoCad products for Mac

    It sure looks like they have Mac products.

    Well, I'll be damned... the last time I looked into Mac versions they weren't available, but I'll admit it's been some time.

    It doesn't matter how much you hate AutoCAD. It's basically the standard for architectural MEP work. There are a few hold-outs still using Microstation and Revit (also an Autodesk product) is gaining popularity (we use it almost exclusively for Arch work and some HVAC designs). For process piping, we use 3rd party add-on called CadWorks, but there are a few other piping programs with apparently equal popularity (I sit next to our lead piping designer).

  • SVreX

    Nov. 14, 2011 6:12 a.m. SVreX SuperDork

    Ian F wrote:

    You'll need a Windows emulator. AutoDesk has thus far refused to offer a Mac OS version of AutoCAD.

    TurboCAD offers a MAC version that 'should' do what you need - $499. Browsing the website, the one issue I see that would need to be verified is xrefs. I don't see any mention of them and that is pretty critical when working with ACAD drawings.

    The need to run ACAD is the main reason I use a Windows machine (I started out on Macs). ACAD is a flakey enough program under the best circumstances. We're running release 2012 at work, and my workstation is pretty new: Win7, 64 bit, 4 gigs ram, CAD-optimized video card (game-oriented cards don't seem to work well). It can barely keep up sometimes.

    Ian, I missed your earlier suggestion about TurboCad. Have you used it? Do you know anyone who has? What do you know about it?

    Looks like it DOES use xrefs, but I know very little else about it. I DID discover their forum, which looks almost as useful as the GRM forum! Very exciting.

  • Giant Purple Snorklewacker

    Nov. 14, 2011 6:30 a.m. Giant Purple Snorklewacker SuperDork

    In reply to SVreX:

    Have you tried DraftSight from the people that make SolidWorks? It is professional, free, available for Mac and Linux, very compatible with AutoCAD, speaks in DWG files and did I mention free?

    http://www.3ds.com/products/draftsight/download-draftsight/

  • SVreX

    Nov. 14, 2011 8:11 a.m. SVreX SuperDork

    I tried DraftSight. Downloaded it, but all that loaded was a non-functional sample and the owner's manual. Made me wonder if the beta Mac version wasn't quite ready. Didn't make me feel warm and fuzzy.

    I'll try it again.

  • Giant Purple Snorklewacker

    Nov. 14, 2011 8:17 a.m. Giant Purple Snorklewacker SuperDork

    SVreX wrote:

    I tried DraftSight. Downloaded it, but all that loaded was a non-functional sample and the owner's manual. Made me wonder if the beta Mac version wasn't quite ready. Didn't make me feel warm and fuzzy.

    I'll try it again.

    Hmm. It came right up running out of the debian installer on my Linux box. Linux/OpenGL is usually the last frontier for anything from a professional company in the CAD realm so I was thrilled. I guess I just expected the Mac version to be the same. Sorry for the bum reference.

  • SVreX

    Nov. 14, 2011 8:25 a.m. SVreX SuperDork

    Downloaded DraftSight again. I think their beta Mac version still needs some work. The download is semi-functional, but there is no manner in which it can be activated.

    Maybe I'm missing something...

  • Ian F

    Nov. 14, 2011 8:26 a.m. Ian F SuperDork

    SVreX wrote: Ian, I missed your earlier suggestion about TurboCad. Have you used it? Do you know anyone who has? What do you know about it?

    Not yet. I almost bought it when my g/f started her engineering business and was getting side work, but unfortunately, the work dired up and we haven't persued it. We both have older versions of ACAD that we use when we need to do stuff around the house. Even then, we'd really only get TurboCAD for "legal" reasons. Being able to run Lisp routines is a big problem for us, since we are both fairly addicted to the menues we use with ACAD. This has always been an issue with using a lot of the other CAD programs when you get used to using ACAD.

  • SVreX

    Nov. 14, 2011 8:29 a.m. SVreX SuperDork

    No comprendo "legal reasons" or "lisp routines".

    A little more explanation??

  • Ian F

    Nov. 14, 2011 8:40 a.m. Ian F SuperDork

    "Legal reasons" - The old versions of ACAD we have are copies. We would need "something" to legally generate drawings.

    "Lisp routines" are like ACAD batch files that run functions within ACAD. Most, if not all, user menues are written using them. The wrenching equivalent would be like using ratchets all your life and then somebody taking them away and forcing you to use regular wrenches. Sure, you can still work, but it's more cumbersome and time consuming.

  • SVreX

    Nov. 14, 2011 3:06 p.m. SVreX SuperDork

    Got it. Thanks.

 
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