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  • ransom

    Feb. 13, 2012 9:54 p.m. ransom Dork

    Also...

    I did fill out another survey which had no "how good was your experience" component. It was all "how did you decide to buy a Subaru?"

    Gawd that thing made no sense. The worst part was asking about the first place I saw a WRX, including the option "at an event".

    Well, the first place I saw a WRX was at an autocross, so I selected that. Apparently I was supposed to guess that "event" meant "Subaru promotional event", so it asked me a bunch of questions I couldn't back out of about the brochures, advertisements, etc...

    Surveys I think are useless more often than they're sane...

  • 92CelicaHalfTrac

    Feb. 13, 2012 9:58 p.m. 92CelicaHalfTrac SuperDork

    jimbob_racing wrote:

    I've worked at dealerships and been hosed on CSI surveys many times. Probably lost a few thousand dollars that I EARNED by doing the best job that I could.

    People who turn in low surveys need to know that the advisers see those surveys. They see your names on the surveys. They either make mental notes or just flat out write comments in the computer or on your paper files that indicate that you turned in a low survey. That in turn means that you will never get the benefit of the doubt on a judgmental warranty call. There will never be any extra coupons laying around for you to use. When you call to schedule an appointment, it might "accidentally" get deleted out of the system so the advisor that took your appointment doesn't have to deal with when you show up (now unscheduled). In short, nobody will ever go the extra mile to help you out when you need a last minute appointment.

    You berkeleyed them, and they are going to berkeley you right back. Enjoy!

    I've gotten hosed out of thousands of dollars worth of bonuses in the last 3 years because of customer satisfaction surveys (that don't even apply to me any longer) that are weighed entirely too much within in my global job title.

    Does this mean i get to start denying your health care claims?

  • pete240z

    Feb. 13, 2012 10:26 p.m. pete240z SuperDork

    Wow, I didn't know about these surveys.

    I just had work done on my Honda and the service guy was a dick. I gave him average on the survey not knowing he would get dinged. The service manager even called my house

    I didn't know all this info. I will try harder next time. The Honda guy was a total dick though.

  • nocones

    Feb. 13, 2012 11:01 p.m. nocones HalfDork

    pete240z wrote: The Honda guy was a total dick though.

    Total Dick sounds like perfect or even exceptional Dick levels. 10s for him all around!

  • ddavidv

    Feb. 14, 2012 6:00 a.m. ddavidv SuperDork

    I'm curious how many of you survey sufferers have a process to dispute a bad grade. My employer doesn't. The only bad survey I've ever been able to expunge was one that was actually a job done by someone else that somehow got attributed to my name (I don't even know how that's possible in our system, but...). Management had some red faces on that one. They are required to call the customer for an explanation on any 'bad' returns, but even if the customer explains they were confused and thought "1" meant "10" (it's happened) they still won't change the results.

  • Curmudgeon

    Feb. 14, 2012 7:00 a.m. Curmudgeon SuperDork

    Some mfgs. have appeal processes, for instance Toyota. But as a general rule the others do not. Once a bad score hits you are stuck with it. ddavidv, I know of one instance where a S/A changed the S/A number on an RO to purposely deflect what he knew was going to be a crappy survey. Yes he got caught and lost his job. I know that for a fact because I am the guy who fired him.

    Full disclosure: I no longer work for the local Toyota dealer. There were two instances involving bad surveys which led to my leaving. (By the way, Toyota surveys EVERY customer, most mfgs have a random type thing where you don't know for sure who will get a survey. The warranty and customer pay surveys are handled separately. The manufacturer does the warranty survey bonuses, the customer pay are handled by the dealership itself.)

    One was a guy who was back in for the second visit for a pull/vibration concern. In the business, this is called a comeback and always takes top priority. I did my part 100% correct, pulled the tech from what he was doing, notified the service advisor handling that repair that a comeback was involved and had the tech test drive the customer's car. When he got back, the next thing I know he is working on someone's truck. Why? The service manager pulled him off of my comeback to do whatever this was. Problem was, my customer saw the whole thing through the big picture window into the shop and I got clobbered on the survey even though I explained what happened. (Shoot the messenger, anyone?)

    Then I got a survey on a vehicle which involved some tires which were not ordered properly meaning the customer brought her truck in, waited an hour and a half only to find the tires were not the right size so the originals were reinstalled so she could go home. Now this is the kind of thing which will stick out in your mind and I could only recall a visit for replacement of a weatherstrip. So I bring up the original RO in our system, the one that generated the survey was my RO for replacement of the weatherstrip, the RO for tires was 2 weeks later and involved another service advisor. So I did my job correctly, he screwed up, I got dinged.

    In both instances these were zero surveys and I brought the circumstances to the service manager's attention, in both cases she said basically 'So what? Tough titty. Live with it.' That's not acceptable given the nature of the service advisor job so we came to a parting of the ways.

    The interesting part is that my warranty surveys were a perfect 100 across the board, on the day we parted I got home to find a prepaid $500 gift card from Toyota in my mailbox.

  • Brett_Murphy

    Feb. 14, 2012 4:42 p.m. Brett_Murphy Dork

    Curmudgeon wrote:

    No, I think you are the typical product of this instant gratification age.

    It appears the only person that you have to impress each day is your boss. The service advisor has to please at least 20 people every day, day in and day out, with this exceptional service you expect. Not to mention their boss.

    I suggest you get on the front lines of dealing with the public day in and day out for a year or so, then report back and we will see how you feel about it then.

    I've done a ton of customer service jobs, and still perform one today.

    I managed a restaurant for 3 years when I graduated college, and dealt with ungrateful or drunk customers all of the time. Lucikly, it was a single-owner business and he worked there 2-3 days a week to keep up on how things were going. It made explaining problems a whole lot easier.

    I work in a call center. My boss relies on the feedback from 15 call center managers outside of my department I do work for every day on my overall rating. They base their opinions on the team leads and 1000 reps they have working for them who in turn base their opinions of my work on the millions of callers we get every day.

    I think I have it covered.

    Again: It is not a value add proposition for me to pad your pockets at no benefit to myself. If you want a 10/10, earn it. or don't. I'm still going to grade you based on my perception of the service, which is the point of the survey in the first place.

    I agree that it is a complete bullE36 M3 way for you to be graded on your job, but it is what it is.

  • Curmudgeon

    Feb. 15, 2012 10:30 a.m. Curmudgeon SuperDork

    I get the funniest feeling you don't get graded by the public directly. That is, you don't depend on 10/10.

    Done with this thread.

  • 92CelicaHalfTrac

    Feb. 15, 2012 10:36 a.m. 92CelicaHalfTrac SuperDork

    The vast majority of phone customer service jobs do get graded directly by the public. They get graded both internally, and by customer surveys.

    Now that i'm no longer on the phones, i STILL have my bonuses affected by those in customer service not getting a 10/10, because of the way the bonus payouts work.

    I don't depend on them to get a 10/10, because i don't depend on a bonus. A bonus is a bonus.

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