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  • Wally

    Nov. 7, 2009 9:38 a.m. Wally UberDork

    http://www.bostonherald.com/news/regional/view/20091107neighbors_aim_to_silence_ol...

    Neighbors aim to silence Old Ironsides’ cannons

    Old Ironsides’ upscale Charlestown neighbors are trying to pull off what British, French and Barbary pirate guns failed to accomplish in more than two centuries - silencing the cannons of the nation’s oldest commissioned naval vessel.

    Miffed residents of a posh condo complex have invited the commanding officer of the USS Constitution over for a glass of wine so he can hear for himself that the frigate’s twice-daily cannon blasts - a tradition dating to 1798 - are “more disruptive to the neighborhood than you might have imagined.”

    Commanding Officer Timothy Cooper received the most recent complaint two weeks ago from neighbors suggesting naval officers assigned to the historic vessel eliminate the morning and evening blasts on weekends, reduce the size of the gunpowder charge and turn down the volume of the national anthem recording played during the daily flag raising and lowering ceremonies.

    “The residential population and congestion of this area has (sic) grown significantly and, it seems to us, that the cannon charge/noise is excessive,” the unidentified resident first wrote in an Aug. 26, 2009, letter obtained by the Herald.

    High-end condominium developments have sprung up across from the Charlestown Navy Yard over the past decade, transforming the once hardscrabble waterfront into a toney enclave.

    “Over the summer, we have entertained several times, and we have had guests sit up in shock when the cannon goes off,” the resident wrote. “It has also awakened them at 8 a.m. while they are vacationing and then blasted them again at sunset.”

    Cooper, a 39-year-old Marshfield native, said he was surprised by the complaint, but he wants to work with the residents. “We’re hoping to find a way where we can be good neighbors and maintain the tradition,” he said.

    The legendary, 204-foot-long battleship is equipped to hold 44 cannons, but only two take turns shooting a four-foot blast of gunpowder twice a day, Cooper said.

    Launched in 1797 and named by President George Washington, the Constitution saw action against the French, Barbary pirates and the British in the War of 1812.

    The daily gun salute - halted in the early 1900s and revived in 1975 - requires naval officers to fire from one of the working guns every day at 8 a.m. and again at sunset.

    Recent renovations to the ship brought the matter to a head because the booming shot is now closer to the shore.

    The unnamed resident, who acknowledged Old Ironsides as “the country’s most sacred maritime treasure,” complained once in August and again Oct. 20.

    The ship’s spokesman, Petty Officer First Class Eric Brown, said halting the cannon fire - or even delaying it - would undermine a time-honored patriotic ritual that draws tourists from land and sea. “It’s as much a part of Boston as the Red Sox [team stats] and Cheers,” Brown said.

    Other nearby residents agreed, including 52-year-old Elizabeth Ames, who lives in a luxury development called The Nautica.

    “This is the heart of the city’s history,” Ames said. “If you don’t like it, don’t live here.”

  • Nov. 7, 2009 9:46 a.m. wbjones Reader

    this sounds like the same a$$hats that move into the shadow of an airports flight path (air port there long before the housing development) and then complain about the noise... or those same jack a$$ that move into an area near a race track then complain about the noise....

    hard to understand their rational ....

  • BoxheadTim

    Nov. 7, 2009 9:53 a.m. BoxheadTim Reader

    ... or the people who get a cheap house downwind of a sewage treatment plant (duh, guess why it was cheap) and then start threatening the local authority operating it.

    It's not that like they couldn't find out what was going on before moving in, is it?

  • Nov. 7, 2009 9:57 a.m. z31maniac Dork

    Another example of what's wrong with America.

  • cwh

    Nov. 7, 2009 9:58 a.m. cwh SuperDork

    I guess "Due Diligence" is something too complicated for some folks. If the cannons have been doing this for 200 years, who do you think you are to silence them? More money than sense, but we see a lot of that.

  • Kia_racer

    Nov. 7, 2009 10:00 a.m. Kia_racer Reader

    wbjones wrote:

    this sounds like the same a$$hats that move into the shadow of an airports flight path (air port there long before the housing development) and then complain about the noise... or those same jack a$$ that move into an area near a race track then complain about the noise....

    hare to understand their rational ....

    I have never understood people like this.

  • zoomx2

    Nov. 7, 2009 10:19 a.m. zoomx2 Reader

    cwh wrote:

    I guess "Due Diligence" is something too complicated for some folks. If the cannons have been doing this for 200 years, who do you think you are to silence them? More money than sense, but we see a lot of that.

  • oldsaw

    Nov. 7, 2009 10:36 a.m. oldsaw HalfDork

    I've visited the Constitution on several occasions, but never witnessed the tradition. It's so wrong-headed to deny the opportunity to experience history.

    Why the he!! didn't the friggn morons warn their guests before they were "shocked" out of a stupor? It's not like the hosts didn't know it was going to happen.

  • NYG95GA

    Nov. 7, 2009 10:56 a.m. NYG95GA SuperDork

    Wally wrote:

    The unnamed resident, who acknowledged Old Ironsides as “the country’s most sacred maritime treasure,” complained once in August and again Oct. 20.

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    Other nearby residents agreed, including 52-year-old Elizabeth Ames, who lives in a luxury development called The Nautica.

    “This is the heart of the city’s history,” Ames said. “If you don’t like it, don’t live here.”

    Hmm.. let's see what we have here..

    On one hand, we have multiple complaints from a resident too cowardly to give their name and location, even after admitting the ship's historic value.

    OTOH, we have an identified resident who thinks the ceremony is just fine, and is all too happy to say so.

    Gee.. which side to rally behind?

  • Woody

    Nov. 7, 2009 11:19 a.m. Woody SuperDork

    A new development was built near me a few years back. The houses at the end of the cul-de-sac shared a border with a local gun club that had been there for fifty years. It didn't take long for the petitions to fly, with complaints about the noise on Saturday and Sunday mornings.

    Fortunately, the Republicans at the gun club held their ground and they're still there.

  • Nov. 7, 2009 1:16 p.m. wbjones Reader

    "they" actually caused the closing of our local 1/3 mi oval here in Asheville .... money talks and .... well you all know the rest

  • Giant Purple Snorklewacker

    Nov. 7, 2009 1:35 p.m. Giant Purple Snorklewacker Dork

    Same asshats that moved in next to Road Atlanta and then tried to close the track because of engine noise.

  • JetMech

    Nov. 7, 2009 1:36 p.m. JetMech Reader

    Realtors advise that you visit an area several times a day, and if you see or hear anything objectionable, you should look elsewhere. These folks knew that USS Constitution is in their backyards, so if the cannons were a why did they move there?

    Inexcusable. Constitution is a piece of history. Show her some respect.

  • 914Driver

    Nov. 7, 2009 3:20 p.m. 914Driver SuperDork

    Probably related to the dipwads that built condos off turn 3 of the local race track, been there since 1957.

    They're not happ with the noise.

    YOU'REAFRIKKINMORONSELFRITEOUSPRIG !!!

    I'm better now.

  • Nov. 7, 2009 4:55 p.m. Hocrest New Reader

    Where I grew up in, there were a small group of upscale homes built in the middle of a few farms that have been there for 100+ years. It wasn't long before the "fresh farm air" got to be too much for the folks that moved out of the city to be in the "fresh farm air" and the farmers were forced to change their fertilizers, and procedures.

  • Toyman01

    Nov. 7, 2009 5:43 p.m. Toyman01 HalfDork

    Had several residents in Beaufort SC complain about the noise from the Marine Air Station. The CO promptly put this on the sign outside the gate.

    "The sound you hear is the sound of Freedom!"

    'Nuff said.

  • fiat22turbo

    Nov. 7, 2009 5:53 p.m. fiat22turbo UltraDork

    Yep, truly self-important smuggies.

    The recent ChumpCar race generated some complaints because our cars were too loud in the middle of the night. Hmm, we were limited to 92db (at WOT) where street cars are limited to 92db at idle. We stopped the race from 4am to 8am due to fog and we're right next to friggen I5 and an active Freight train yard/tracks.

    A recent sound survey found that only 3% of the nearby residents think the noise is a problem. The rest don't care or think other issues are the problem.

    The real issue is that the local neighborhoods are being gentrified at a quick pace since they haven't been raped or pillaged, yet. so the new owners move into their cute condo in their "ghetto" neighborhood and then complain about all the stuff that makes their neighborhood "ghetto" and "blue collar" including the doctors, lawyers and regular people enjoying the local race track, that was built in a flood plain and therefore useless for much of any other use (there was a city there during WWII that was wiped out in a flood, which is where the track's layout came from) Though I think the golf course next door might like the track's land for an expansion of their BS sport.

  • Jensenman

    Nov. 7, 2009 6:49 p.m. Jensenman MegaDork

    The Road Atlanta thing was started by a developer who bought an option on adjacent property dirt cheap. He figured close racetrack = big profits. The city of Atlanta smacked him upside the head. And rightfully so.

    Down here there was a dragstrip way out in the country, about halfway between Goose Creek and Moncks Corner. It was there for years; then some goobers bought land nearby and built hoses then they decided they didn't like the Saturday night noises and managed to get it shut down.

    The Southeast Subaru service rep bought 10 acres outside of Atlanta when it was still affordable and built a house. He was pretty much by himself for 5-7 years, then someone bought a big chunk of property and put up a bunch of McMansions. These fine folk had to drive down two lane country roads to get to their hoity toity cribs and in so doing they had to pass 'tractor nuggets'.Country folks know what I am talking about, for you city slickers that's an old Massey Ferguson or John Deere or etc that finally expired completely and was pushed into a field to slumber and rust. The hoi polloi decided that they were unsightly and started a drive to force removal of these from people's private property.

  • oldsaw

    Nov. 7, 2009 7:48 p.m. oldsaw HalfDork

    Jensenman wrote:

    The Road Atlanta thing was started by a developer who bought an option on adjacent property dirt cheap. He figured close racetrack = big profits. The city of Atlanta smacked him upside the head. And rightfully so.

    Actually, J-man, it was Hall County that recognised Road Atlanta generates far more revenue than another subdivision.

    The city of Atlanta has its' own real budget problems. Even with a reliable money-generator like RA, the loons that run the city would close it down because of "quality of life" issues.

    Ludicrous when you see some of the "quality" areas within the city's jurisdiciton.

  • Nov. 8, 2009 11:13 a.m. egnorant Dork

    Had a similar experience here. Family moved from the big city to avoid the crime and taxes and have a better life for the kiddos.

    First thing she (yes I met her!) did was to start complaining about the poorly kept houses that were reducing the property values. At a council meeting I had the privelidge of confronting her about here hypocracy.

    "You moved here and paid the prevailing reduced property values for your house and now you want ME to do work on my place to make your house more valuable!!??!!. Sounds like you are offering me a job!"

    She was still able to get an ordinance for "junk" cars passed, push through street improvements, quadruple our tax rate, caused a lot of builders to pull out of projects in our little town and place us 14,000,000 dollars in debt!!!

    We had plans for 1800+ new houses to be built and her justification was that these homes would support the new taxes and expenditures......many builders pulled out when the taxes went up. Then the housing bubble burst.

    Now our 2500 people town has 10 years to cover this new debt. Then she bought a house outside the city limits, demanded city services and refused annexation.

    Bruce

  • xci_ed6

    Nov. 8, 2009 6:37 p.m. xci_ed6 Reader

    wbjones wrote:

    this sounds like the same a$$hats that move into the shadow of an airports flight path (air port there long before the housing development) and then complain about the noise... or those same jack a$$ that move into an area near a race track then complain about the noise....

    hard to understand their rational ....

    Werd. Back when I was younger, we had a full size moto-x track in my parents yard. Undisturbed for 10 years, out in the sticks on a gravel road. Then some yuppies bought the neighboring property and put their house the minimum distance from the line. They complained about noise, bikes, quad, even the air compressor! That's when the muffler came off. It's the boonies, there's no noise regulation!

    They moved out after 6 months and the house sat vacant for almost 2 years.

  • mad_machine

    Nov. 8, 2009 7:02 p.m. mad_machine PowerDork

    I could have sworn I posted here earlier.. guess It didn't take from my phone.

    We had a case here at the Jersey Shore a few years ago. Guy buys a beach front house with a view of the ocean. City, state and the army corps of engineers comes along that winter and fills the beach from all the erosion that had washed away the sand that had given the guy his view,

    Soring comes, he opens up his summer home and finds his view of the ocean is gone. All he sees is a sand dune.

    he sued the city and state for damages and won. He wanted a view of the ocean. Everyone tried to tell him that without that sanddune, he would have gotten a VERY intimate view of the ocean as it tried to wash his and his neighbor's house away during the next big storm

  • Nov. 8, 2009 7:15 p.m. wbjones Reader

    mad_machine wrote:

    he sued the city and state for damages and won.

    that's another thing that's hard to understand... how juries can be so STUPID

  • oldsaw

    Nov. 8, 2009 7:37 p.m. oldsaw HalfDork

    wbjones wrote:

    mad_machine wrote:

    he sued the city and state for damages and won.

    that's another thing that's hard to understand... how juries can be so STUPID

    Never overestimate the intelligence of a jury. Unfortunately, they are comprised as a selection of our "peers".

  • Nov. 8, 2009 7:43 p.m. wbjones Reader

    ya, that's a scary thought isn't it ?

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