If I'm understanding this correctly, all of Motor Trend including Roadkill, Dirt Every Day, and Engine Masters is leaving YouTube for their own website. Looks like paywall only, too.
If I'm understanding this correctly, all of Motor Trend including Roadkill, Dirt Every Day, and Engine Masters is leaving YouTube for their own website. Looks like paywall only, too.
It looks to me like you'll have the option of paying a subscription or seeing ads. Going behind a paywall would be a suicide plan. You can see why they're doing it - hosting is getting cheaper and making money on YouTube is getting harder.
This is a surprise to nobody I hope. They build up a fanbase and then go where they can use that fanbase, or perhaps 30% of it who will actually pay, and make money.
They probably won't get my dollars, but I am sure it will work for them in the short term.
It sounds like the life is getting sucked out of Youtube, so perhaps this is some form of midgame for cord-cutters.
In reply to tuna55 :
I think one of the issues is that it's getting harder and harder to make even scraps, let alone real money on Youtube. Given that they're a business, I can see why that decision is making sense for them.
And yeah, I might end up watching the occasional show on their website with ads, but I'm not a regular enough watcher for it to make sense to me to pay for the show.
If I can still watch it on my set top box for free, I don’t mind them getting all the ad revenue instead of sharing it with YouTube. If they have an app that works with the set top box, I may even be willing to pay the $25 to get a year of ad free watching.
From what I'm hearing, a lot of content providers are not happy with Youtube these days. Seems like an opportunity for another big player to swoop in with some competition.
Tony Sestito said:. Who knows, Freiburger & co. could split from them if it gets stupid.
Freiburger could just go back to BangShift.com (previously FreiburgersJunkyard.com) and restart his own cult following. Chad and Brian have done a great job running the site, and I'm sure a large chunk of the Roadkill loyalists would follow David wherever his videos appeared.
I've stopped watching Roadkill and all of its various iterations and spin-offs since I just can't keep it straight. Youtube's interface doesn't help this, but also the ADHD nature of Roadkill due to the hosts being pulled in various directions contributes as well.
Youtube/Google has screwed up with their changes, but I suspect they don't care right now. Eventually the exodus might start to hurt their bottom line, but not right now.
MTOD is available as a channel or app on Roku, etc. so if you can get it added, you can still watch them outside of Cable for the time being.
Does anyone dislike the episodes with Dulcich or is it just me?
He knows his stuff and he's good with his hands, but his personality leaves me flat, especially with Freiburger nerding out with him, they really need a Finnegan to help keep things light and a bit goofy.
Maybe its just me.
I think I read somewhere the to make any money at all on youtube requires at least 10,000 or 100,000 subscribers (I forget which number) before they will even put ads on your content to make money from
1000 subscribers is the new minimum to receive payment at all (supposedly done as some kind of response to the Logan Paul incident, but I think it's more like a python tightening on you when you exhale...) - 10k or 100k may be more of a practical breakeven point.
Stefan said:Does anyone dislike the episodes with Dulcich or is it just me?
He knows his stuff and he's good with his hands, but his personality leaves me flat, especially with Freiburger nerding out with him, they really need a Finnegan to help keep things light and a bit goofy.
Maybe its just me.
Admittedly, I identify far more with Finnegan. I probably wouldn't watch roadkill at all without him. His passions are much more online with my own.
What I gathered from the new monetization changes on YT is response to channels stealing content and going viral with it and getting the revenue. They can ban the channel for copyright but they just create a new account and do it again. Also, the whole Isis having ads on their content thing started a downward slide in ad revenue. I think they are trying to help people help them by making sure the true content creators are making money. Think of it as putting in the work for the love of doing it, then being able to capitalize on it.
As for Motor Trend/TEN/Discovery they are cutting out a middle man. You can watch content in a YouTube like way for free with ads, or pay the money for premium and be ad free. Either way, they make all the money. You have to remember that YouTube created the monster then tried to treat it like any other channel.
1000 subscribers and 4000 hours of 'watch time' to be eligible for monetization now. Changed as of February this year.
It was 10,000 (accumulative) views to be eligible for monetization.
I seen this after I canceled my mtod subscription, there website doesn't stream worth a crap on my pc.
Here are details as I understand them for now:
- MotorTrendOnDemand.com will become simply MotorTrend.com
- If you have a current subscription to Motor Trend OnDemand, it is still valid.
- All our shows will be available first to subscribers to MotorTrend.com, and will appear without ads.
- The free-to-view shows appear 8 weeks later and will have advertising in them.
- To see the free shows, go to MotorTrend.com, navigate to the series you want (like Roadkill), and look at the thumbnail photos. If there is no icon of a padlock in the upper left corner, you can watch for free. To see episodes with a padlock, you must subscribe.
- For a short time (could be just a few days) the company is offering MotorTrend.com subscriptions for $2.99/month instead of the normal $4.99 in order to encourage YouTube viewers to sign up.
- All the shows that used to be on YouTube are currently scheduled to continue on MotorTrend.com with the same number of episodes as before.
- In addition to the former YouTube shows, MT will continue to show our exclusive shows: Roadkill Garage, Junkyard Gold, Put Up Or Shut Up.
- All of our old episodes will continue to be on YouTube.
- Discovery and Velocity content will continue to appear on MotorTrend.com. There will be premieres before cable, and many past seasons can be viewed for free.
- The Motor Trend YouTube channel will continue to get new videos. They will be teasers for new episodes, cutdowns of episodes, and short-form content from all the TEN brands.
This was David Freiburger's simplification from his Facebook page. The shows that are on youtube will continue to be free on Motor Trend. You'll still get access to them a month after subscribers. The way I look at it, my $4 a month is me essentially buying Freiburger, Finnegan, Dulcich, Tony and Lucky a beer every month. And I'm okay with that.
I had been wondering when roadkill and DED were last month.
E: Also, it's not that Youtube sucks, even though it does, it's that Google sucks. This downward spiral of youtubes started when they got grabbed.
Stefan said:Does anyone dislike the episodes with Dulcich or is it just me?
He knows his stuff and he's good with his hands, but his personality leaves me flat, especially with Freiburger nerding out with him, they really need a Finnegan to help keep things light and a bit goofy.
Maybe its just me.
I like the episodes with Dulcich.
minivan_racer said:As for Motor Trend/TEN/Discovery they are cutting out a middle man. You can watch content in a YouTube like way for free with ads, or pay the money for premium and be ad free. Either way, they make all the money. You have to remember that YouTube created the monster then tried to treat it like any other channel.
The problem is that Google/YouTube is a really competent middleman in a technical field that's expensive and requires specialist expertise. Sure, you can show up, but things are changing fast enough that you better have one hell of a team.
I wonder how they plan to offset the increased overhead of having to build and support and host this stuff on their own, especially given how poorly their streaming and site in general seems to work. I doubt they can justify California salaries for top-tier experience.
Maybe Discovery is a big enough partner to give them enough time to find a way to make it work.
stuart in mn said:Stefan said:Does anyone dislike the episodes with Dulcich or is it just me?
He knows his stuff and he's good with his hands, but his personality leaves me flat, especially with Freiburger nerding out with him, they really need a Finnegan to help keep things light and a bit goofy.
Maybe its just me.
I like the episodes with Dulcich.
I too enjoy Dulcich, largely because he's just such a strange guy. He did say in a column in the short-lived Roadkill magazine that when Freiburger approached him about being on shows, he tried to turn him down because he knows that he freezes up and gets awkward in front of camera.
I really like the Finnegan/Tony Angelo team-up that's been happening lately as well. I wonder if that might be the future team-up for if Freiburger ever steps away from the camera.
dropstep said:I seen this after I canceled my mtod subscription, there website doesn't stream worth a crap on my pc.
I've seen that with a couple of sites. The shows just stream terribly. SyFy comes to mind. I get that content production needs to be paid for and the people on and behind the camera need to eat, so I can live with ads and commecials. Still - if the stream itself is a PITA to watch, then I won't bother. YouTube seems to have that part figured out somehow. For the most part, it just works.
A number of YouTubers I subscribe to don't really rely on funds from YouTube anymore and subsist mainly on Patreon supporters.
Is it bad that I like Roadkill, and watch it periodically, but I couldn't tell you which one is Friedburger and which one was Finnegan?
They ought to name them Goofball and the Millennial Hipster. Then I'd remember.
Goofball is my favorite.
I noticed the other day that Youtube has now started charging for certain content. The ads were bad enough, but now they're just blatantly grabbing money. What happened to the innocent little free amateur porn site?
I love Dirt Every Day. Not so much that I'd pay for it, but certainly enough to watch ads.
Well I just watched Freiburger full body drift a blown 69 Impala through a gravel sweeper quite well, so that made all the genesis 80 ads worth it. Whatever the hell a genesis 80 is.
Looks like the love child of an audi and 300c.
Also Dulcich is an odd guy but I realized I was him after the Roadkill extra where he was driving the D300 of his and was talking about how great it was until the brakes stopped working in the middle of his drive.
volvoclearinghouse said:I noticed the other day that Youtube has now started charging for certain content. The ads were bad enough, but now they're just blatantly grabbing money. What happened to the innocent little free amateur porn site?
This reminds me of a story of when I'd posted something on a forum. I had a link to my own site in my signature and they said I couldn't do that unless I paid them. I deleted my informative post in protest, leaving a note that if my signature was such a burden, they could do without my freely-donated post from which they were profiting. They banned me.
For Youtube to start charging for certain content seems similar, yet another way to suck money from freely-submitted content. I realize they have to pay for the servers, Interwebz access, and electricity, but the level of ads/content is becoming burdensome. On a related note, I'm finding that sidebar ads on most websites appear to have recently taken priority when a webpage loads. If one ad takes a while, you're screwed and can't read what you want or navigate. Just yesterday in protest, I removed Google Adworks content from my forum (the fact I was making basically zero off it had nothing to do with it, I swear...)
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