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mad_machine
mad_machine MegaDork
7/9/13 1:15 p.m.

Not really a motorsport.. but still grassroots. I may need to start a blog!

The Seasprite 23 started life as the Alberg 22, designed by Carl Alberg who was one of the most prolific and well known cruising boat designers in the 60s and 70s. Born in Sweden, all of his designs harkened back to Swedish "folk boat" designs with a long deck, short waterline, and a deep full length keel with a cut out in the foot. "Seakindly" is the term most often used for his designs. Most all of them, including the small 22 could be considered "blue water" boats and all of his designs have crossed the Atlantic undersail. This includes the tiny 22.

My boat, as far as the SeaSprite association knows, is one of the oldest still around. According to their records.. hull number 000 exists (the original wooden blank that was turned into a boat) and hull number 101 is still around. Mind is hull number 110 and was built in 1963.

She is a lovely old thing. Tiny inside and out compared to modern vessels, but sturdy and has certainly endured a long and seemingly difficult life. As she sits on her trailer now, her cockpit sole (floor) is cracked and flexible and needs to be cut out and replaced. Her cabin top is covered in a spiderweb of gelcoat cracks, her forhatch does not dog down and allows water into the cabin (and explains the foot of rainwater in the bilge) and her wiring is beyond suspect.

today I cleaned her out. I do not know why people store all sorts of things in boats, but they do. Even online brokerages are covered with pictures of boats filled to the brim with their owner's crap. I filled a 50gallon trashcan with junk

Pictures:

Currently named "Black Jack, it is beyond tacky to call Atlantic City her homeport with a name like that. Once I get her stripped and repainted she will be renamed to "Wisteria Maiden"

The Engine mount is also suspect. It keeps the engine at an unreasonable angle and was just bolted through the glass. They did not even put fender washers in to help secure it. A good full throttle blast and the engine might have just jumped off of the sterm and left a hole in it's passing

Here is a shot of her cockpit sole. You cannot see the cracks, but trust me, the 'glass is flexible enough to worry about. I am going to have to cut it all out and replace with marine ply and glass it in. The tiller broke in transit, the wood was very rotten

Moving inside: The quarter berths (named because they are in the rear quarter of the boat) hold no surprises worse than maneating spiders. Raid took care of them

Being as old as she is (probably older than a lot of members here) she originally came with a "pump it over the side" toilet. It has been replaced with a portapottie and while they left the thruhull fittings in place. They glass over them on the outside. I will have to dig them out and do a proper repair

Why a boat this size has a sink, I do not know. It also has a questionable watertank all the way in the stern that will need to be addressed. The Sink is in good condition, but the hand pump is shot and the countertop has seperated from the wood beneath it. Opposite this is a space for a cooler that I will also have to address when I rip out the interior to repair where the tabbing has pulled away from the plywood

Now for the horrors of old boat ownership (and car) What the previous owner did. Supposedly he installed and rewired both the running lights and the bilgepump. The Navigation lights are cheapy plastic chromed things that are not even hooked up and I have not found the bilgepump yet. I think it may be under the foot or rainwater that is in the bilge.

Gotta love the wiring panel. I guess the Coast Guard does not do inspections on Lake Champlain. The way it is hanging out from the bunk and the use of speaker wire seems par for the course for most boat owners.

Somewhere under that water is the bilgepump. I am going to have to get a manual (I do not dare put a battery in this boat as she sits) and get it out before it soaks the glass.

Being an older example of this boat (they were produced by three different builders up until 1978, she is an odd duck. Originally designed for an inboard, most boats have a well built into the lazerette for an outboard. Later boats had it centre behind the rudder, early boats like mine it is offset to the left (port). BlackJack/Wisteria Maiden has neither an outboard or a well, nor is there anything to suggest she ever had either.

On the good news front, her rig is recent and all but her mainsail was made in the past 5 years.. and came with a trailer that was probably used to drag around a 28 foot boat to judge by it's length

ransom
ransom UltraDork
7/9/13 1:23 p.m.

Subscribed!

Seems like boats must suffer from basically being like summer homes with even more sporadic use and worse conditions when disused...

bludroptop
bludroptop SuperDork
7/9/13 2:09 p.m.

She's a beauty.

Renaming a boat is considered to be very unlucky, but I think there are some rituals you can perform to dispel the bad mojo.

I think have a nearly new mainsail cover you could have for peanuts if you're interested.

914Driver
914Driver MegaDork
7/9/13 2:42 p.m.

From Caribbean Pirates . com:

http://caribbean-pirates.com/naming_and_denaming_a_ship.php

Oh mighty and great ruler of the seas and oceans, to whom all ships and we who venture upon your vast domain are required to pay homage, implore you in your graciousness to take unto your records and recollection this worthy vessel hereafter and for all time known as (------ new name------), guarding her with your mighty arm and trident and ensuring her of safe and rapid passage throughout her journeys within your realm.

In appreciation of your munificence, dispensation and in honor of your greatness, we offer these libations to your majesty and your court. (At this point, one bottle of Champagne, less one glass for the master and one glass for the mate are poured into the sea from West to East.)

The next step in the renaming ceremony is to appease the gods of the winds. This will assure you of fair winds and smooth seas. Because the four winds are brothers, it is permissible to invoke them all at the same time, however, during the ceremony; you must address each by name.

Begin in this manner:

Oh mighty rulers of the winds, through whose power our frail vessels traverse the wild and faceless deep, we implore you to grant this worthy vessel (------ new name-------) the benefits and pleasures of your bounty, ensuring us of your gentle ministration according to our needs.

(Facing north, pour a generous libation of Champagne into a Champagne flute and fling to the North as you intone:) Great Boreas, exalted ruler of the North Wind, grant us permission to use your mighty powers in the pursuit of our lawful endeavors, ever sparing us the overwhelming scourge of your frigid breath.

(Facing west, pour the same amount of Champagne and fling to the West while intoning:) Great Zephyrus, exalted ruler of the West Wind, grant us permission to use your mighty powers in the pursuit of our lawful endeavors, ever sparing us the overwhelming scourge of your wild breath.

(Facing east, repeat and fling to the East.) Great Eurus, exalted ruler of the East Wind, grant us permission to use your mighty powers in the pursuit of our lawful endeavors, ever sparing us the overwhelming scourge of your mighty breath.

(Facing south, repeat, flinging to the South.) Great Notus, exalted ruler of the South Wind, grant us permission to use your mighty powers in the pursuit of our lawful endeavors, ever sparing us the overwhelming scourge of your scalding breath.

*SAILBOATS: First time out with the new name on the boat, luff up into the wind and drift to a complete stop, then allow the boat to sail backwards. This represents "backing over" the old name. Sailing backwards is hard - requires a good breeze, some waves usually help, and a fair amount of skill. But the goddesses and gods that are concerned with these matters are not easy to impress! If the boat is a fin keel type with a separate rudder, you should be able to stabilize in backwards mode and do it for at least a few boat-lengths. For a full-keeler, the spirits will most likely be appeased with a half-boat-length or so. Under no circumstance should you do this under power!

If the boat is a powerboat, you will have bad luck with the new name until you have run aground three times. Don't insult the gods with a presumptuous name they will accept the challenge to disprove the name...

914Driver
914Driver MegaDork
7/9/13 2:43 p.m.

I am a Plank Owner and a Shell Back and a firm believer in Sea myths ........

GameboyRMH
GameboyRMH UltimaDork
7/9/13 3:53 p.m.

I'd put a new, presumptuous name on it and not give a damn just to show what I think of superstition plus it helps you to remember important safety procedures because you'll remember that if something goes wrong the superstitious folks would feel validated.

AngryCorvair
AngryCorvair PowerDork
7/9/13 3:58 p.m.

it's easy to grin when your ship's come in and you've got the stock market beat. but the man worthwhile is the man who can smile when his shorts are too tight in the seat!

-- Judge Smails

mad_machine
mad_machine MegaDork
7/9/13 6:16 p.m.

well.. drained the bilge.. nasty nasty nasty stuff down there. Lots of room too. I think once I rip out the floor, I will put in some compartmenal storage down there. One of my goals with this boat is to spend part of the winter on her in florida.. so storage of goods is a priority

novaderrik
novaderrik PowerDork
7/9/13 6:31 p.m.

make this your theme song:

I'm on a Boat!!

viking
viking Reader
7/9/13 7:05 p.m.

My mother always said, "with your luck,when your ship comes in you will be waiting at the airport"--------

JohnRW1621
JohnRW1621 PowerDork
7/9/13 7:52 p.m.
mad_machine wrote: Once I get her stripped and repainted she will be renamed to "Wisteria Maiden"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wisteria Fuji Musumè (藤娘) or Wisteria Maiden is an Otsu-e (Japanese folk painting in Ōtsu, Shiga) subject thought to have been inspired by popular dances. These paintings were often sold as good-luck charms for marriages. Fuji Musumè is also a famous classical Kabuki dance

Rare in my world to think of a sailboat as a good-luck charm for a marriage considering that too much sailboat racing nearly ruined my marriage (till I straightened up.)

Congrats, it is a cool boat. You are now halfway thru to the two happiest days of boat ownership. ha.

JohnRW1621
JohnRW1621 PowerDork
7/9/13 7:57 p.m.

As for the sink...
To be considered a live-aboard boat they typically need cook, clean and crap capability.
The cook can be as simple as one burner stove, the sink for clean and a porta-potty.
I am not sure if it is still done but a lot of boats were financed in the past as second homes (tax advantages) due to the cook,clean,crap capability.

mad_machine
mad_machine MegaDork
7/10/13 8:15 a.m.

well.. I am planning on doing all that. Not this winter, but next I am cruising down to Florida (at 65mph) with her and spending 6 to 8 weeks aboard. Mid-january to mid-march is my slow time as far as work goes.. and seems the perfect time to get away from the cold

hobiercr
hobiercr HalfDork
7/10/13 9:49 a.m.

Wow. Cool find. I have sailed the Alberg verision of this with the built in stern compartment for the outboard. She sails nice and is a very stable boat (read heavy) but is dog slow and is not the fastest to tack by a long shot. That full keel and large rudder are not going to win you any tacking duels.

For a cruiser and a small liveaboard you will probably love her although she will be tight. If you really do plan on bringing her to FL for any length of time you may want to rewire her to accept shore power AND design a spare entry door or hatch cover that has a small window AC unit installed. Even in the Spring it can get warm here and a chute up the bow hatch may or may not keep you cool enough.

Can't wait to see how she dries out and your work on her!

914Driver
914Driver MegaDork
7/10/13 10:22 a.m.

mad_machine
mad_machine MegaDork
7/10/13 7:58 p.m.
hobiercr wrote: Wow. Cool find. I have sailed the Alberg verision of this with the built in stern compartment for the outboard. She sails nice and is a very stable boat (read heavy) but is dog slow and is not the fastest to tack by a long shot. That full keel and large rudder are not going to win you any tacking duels.

She is an odd boat. Being one of the earliest known, she does not conform to the rest. She -should- have an ourboard well. A boat of this age should have it on the port (left) side of the rudder... but she doesn't have a well. Some boats came with an inboard.. but there is no sign of an inboard. Instead I have a completely closed up lazerette. Having wiggled my way up in there.. there is no sign that a well was closed up either.

Curiouser and curiouser

This summer/fall will be the hull and deck. Once I get her all cleaned up, sealed up, and painted.. I can spend the winter redoing everything below decks

Kenny_McCormic
Kenny_McCormic UberDork
7/10/13 8:27 p.m.
mad_machine wrote:

Despite being from Michigan, I don't know boats that well. Is that the hole where you throw all the money?

mad_machine
mad_machine MegaDork
7/10/13 9:49 p.m.

thankfully.. sailboats are a little cheaper to run than powerboats. And smaller sailboats are much cheaper to use than bigger boats. As the bigger you get, the loads on the rigging, the amount of rigging, and the size of the sails goes up

However.. putting money into a boat is measured in BOAT dollars... as in "break out another thousand" as most things seem to cost some sizable portion of 1000 dollars

JohnRW1621
JohnRW1621 PowerDork
7/10/13 10:00 p.m.

Yes, the term, "marine grade" is code for "triple the price".

pilotbraden
pilotbraden SuperDork
7/11/13 9:23 a.m.

Good luck with the boat, it looks like a fun project. Several years ago I sailed on a 44' racing sailboat on Lake St Clair. The owner of the boat and I were discussing flight simulators. He then mentioned that he had a racing boat simulator at home. I bit and said that I had never heard of those. He replied" put on your nicest clothes, get in an ice cold shower and tear up $100 bills".

Apexcarver
Apexcarver PowerDork
7/11/13 9:59 a.m.

Blast you,

I thought I wanted out of having a boat.

Anyone wanna trade a 15' motorboat (65hp outboard) for a sailboat?

mad_machine
mad_machine MegaDork
7/11/13 10:43 a.m.

If you want one of the nicest Sea Sprites out there.. this one is on Ebay right now. It is a well known boat in the community and going for pennies what it is worth. If I had known it would be going for this cheap, I would have waited

True Path

ransom
ransom UltraDork
7/11/13 10:56 a.m.

In reply to mad_machine:

Wow... that doesn't seem like much money for a boat like that.

So boats are totally like drugs, huh? First step is free (or cheap), then everything spirals from there?

mad_machine
mad_machine MegaDork
7/11/13 11:21 a.m.

no pics anymore.. but here is the story on True Path

True Path refit

Spinout007
Spinout007 SuperDork
7/11/13 11:49 a.m.

Yeah, I'm having a hard time between a small pontoon for flats/general fishing or diving in a going for a small sail boat. I just don't know anything about sailing.

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