Well, I think they should have the "right" to give each other brain damage too. That doesn't make it much different than the dog fighting, and I still think it is stoopid. I've seen lots of dogs fight by their own choice. Usually to a "OK, you win" point. I haven't seen any fight to the death, but I've seen the results of some of these dogs' free choices that could have been to the death had the owner not rushed the "loser" to the vet.
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Aug. 20, 2009 11:06 a.m. Dr. Hess SuperDork
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Aug. 20, 2009 11:18 a.m. wbjones Reader
mad_machine wrote:
There is a sign in every MLB clubhouse warning players of the consequences of gambling. Rose did it anyway. That Rose bet on other teams than his own isn't particularly relevant, it's the fact that he gambled that got him in such hot water.
Rose bet on baseball while he was a manager.... Rose is the all time hits leader... who on this forum thinks he would ever have been considered for the HOF as a manager.... he played the game as hard and well as he could that's what deserves the HOF.... (this from a Dodger fan
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Aug. 20, 2009 11:41 a.m. 16vCorey SuperDork
dyintorace wrote:
The Donte Stallworth case is the one that amazes me. He kills a man with his car, while driving drunk. As a result, he was sentenced to 30 DAYS and is released after only 24 days. Vick killed some dogs and was sentenced to 23 months.
I am by no means condoning dog fighting, but Stallworth's punishment was a joke.
I respectfully disagree that what Stallworth did was worse than what Vick did. Although hitting a guy with a car is horrible, it was an accident. Sure, he used very poor judgment, and shouldn't have been driving, but if he has any heart at all that mistake will torment him for a very long time. But it was just that, a mistake that ended very, very badly. Vick was killing dogs and making them fight each other on purpose. If he didn't feel bad about it then, he's probably not ever going to feel bad about it. Either way, I really don't give a E36 M3 about either one of them, or professional sports in general.
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Aug. 20, 2009 11:44 a.m. Jensenman SuperDork
andrave wrote:
charles manson never saw the light of day after he was convicted. You can't really comapre the two, and to try just makes you say things that sound stupid.
Doin the time doesn't make everything alright. It just means he received punishment for the crime he committed. In my mind, it means we should stop punishing him for it above and beyond the ways a non celeberity would have been punished. In this case, I doubt that a truck driver, accountant, or burger flipper would have been kept from returning to his career after getting convicted of fighting and killing dogs.
You guys make such a big deal out of it, but thats just because the media has spoonfed the story to you in an easy to reach, juicy slurp.
How many of you actually give a E36 M3 about dog fighting? How many of you can name a single other person convicted of it? How many of you could name states where its still legal... or the last state to criminalize it?
Probably none of you. Just jumping on the hate wagon cause you read it in the paper.
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When I worked at the local KIA dealer, one of my customers was busted for dogfighting. http://www.pitbullsontheweb.com/petbull/articles/tant.html
It all started when a surveyor's assistant stumbled over a tripwire which was connected to a shotgun, which discharged and shot the guy in the leg. When the police investigated, they found a dog fighting ring (I guess that's what it's called), a bunch of dogs, training equipment, etc. He got 40 years for it and can shave time off if he reimburses the surveyor for his medical bills and reimburses the state for their costs to handle the dogs.
Michael Vick didn't get anywhere near the punishment he could have gotten because he's a celebrity.
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Aug. 20, 2009 12:20 p.m. andrave Reader
he also didn't shoot any surveyors with a trap gun.
I have a feeling that the 40 years is the result of the attempted manslaughter or whatever they charged him with. Not for the dogfighting.
I hope the eagles make it to the SB this year. that would be fun.
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Aug. 20, 2009 12:23 p.m. Dr. Hess SuperDork
That's insane, JM. I would, however, think that he got most of the 40 years for attempted murder, plea'd down to assault and not for having dog fighting equipment and dogs. But, yeah, Vick got off easy. That other foo-ball player that killed the guy, I read somewhere that the victim basically jumped out in front of him. Had he not been drunk, there likely would have been no charges at all. But, he was drunk, so he went down. At least a little. Oh, and Billy Lane just got some big house time down Florida way. I think his celebrity status just got him more time out on bail. I don't think it did much for his sentence.
I had a 5/8th pit bull. She was from a long line of the totally insane pit bulls like you see on TV. Most of her relatives were killed for being insane/too aggressive (mother, father, grandparents, great grandparents, uncles, brother or two, etc). She was a wonderful dog. Also quite dangerous. You have to be very, very, very careful with them around strangers. If you see a pit bull wagging it's tail, it doesn't mean it's happy to see you. It means it's thinking to itself "Oh, boy, I'm gonna bite someone. This is gonna be great. Just a little bit closer...."
We used to take Dusty to school pre-med society pic-nics, on a leash, of course. We'd walk up to some other student and talk. Dusty would stand there and stare at the kid and his hotdog. The kid would go "Nice Doggy. Here, have my hotdog." Slurp, gone. Then she'd eye the next kid. She'd leave the pic-nic so stuffed she could hardly move.
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Aug. 20, 2009 12:30 p.m. JohnGalt Reader
Fantastic. I now get to have the two quarterbacks i like the least in the entire NFL on the same team. Living in GA while Vick was with the falcons was frustrating, every winning game became the Mike Vic show and every time they lost the receivers couldn't run their routs. He did sell a ton of T shirts though, i think he sold more than anyone else in the league before the whole dog fighting thing. Didn't like him before and like him even less now. Vic and McNabb will get along just fine.
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Aug. 20, 2009 12:50 p.m. poopshovel SuperDork
JohnGalt wrote:
Fantastic. I now get to have the two quarterbacks i like the least in the entire NFL on the same team. Living in GA while Vick was with the falcons was frustrating, every winning game became the Mike Vic show and every time they lost the receivers couldn't run their routs. He did sell a ton of T shirts though, i think he sold more than anyone else in the league before the whole dog fighting thing. Didn't like him before and like him even less now. Vic and McNabb will get along just fine.
Pre-berkeleying-cisely. "Mike Vick this, Mike Vick that," he is, and was, an over-rated pompous ass.
I'm not happy that he killed dogs and got in trouble for it. In another thread several months back, I mentioned that I feel sympathy for him, as it seems to me that he's just another in a string of young atheletes/celebrities who essentially went from rags to riches overnight, and got caught up in something that is morally acceptable in certain cultures.
I hope the eagles make it to the SB this year...
...where James Harrison leaps over the offensive line and smashes his berkeleying face in. See, we're all on the same page!!!
On a related note, Plaxico Burress plead guilty today. SHOULDA STAYED IN PITTSBURGH, MUHFUGGAH!!!
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Aug. 20, 2009 12:59 p.m. SVreX SuperDork
Is a 100 yard field large enough to contain the heads of both Donovan McNabb and Michael Vick at the same time?
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Aug. 20, 2009 1:01 p.m. SVreX SuperDork
In the US justice system, some crimes have different consequences than others (especially if you are a celebrity).
Remember Chappaquiddick?
Having said that, he's paid his debt. I sure hope if I ever serve time it will suffice as the punishment for my crime, and I will not be forced to pay continued penance for the rest of my life after my release.
Let him play. Let the fans decide. That shouldn't be too hard.
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Aug. 20, 2009 1:04 p.m. John Brown SuperDork
poopshovel wrote: On a related note, Plaxico Burress plead guilty today. SHOULDA STAYED IN PITTSBURGH, MUHFUGGAH!!!
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/giants/2009/08/20/2009-08-20_plaxico_bu...
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Aug. 20, 2009 1:06 p.m. John Brown SuperDork
SVreX wrote:
In the Criminal Justice System the people are represented by two separate, yet equally important groups. The police who investigate crime and the District Attorneys who prosecute the offenders. These are their stories.
Huh? What?
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Aug. 20, 2009 1:48 p.m. joey48442 SuperDork
Dr. Hess wrote:
Well, I think they should have the "right" to give each other brain damage too. That doesn't make it much different than the dog fighting, and I still think it is stoopid. I've seen lots of dogs fight by their own choice. Usually to a "OK, you win" point. I haven't seen any fight to the death, but I've seen the results of some of these dogs' free choices that could have been to the death had the owner not rushed the "loser" to the vet.
True, some dogs like to fight, and some people get off on being tied up and beaten, but that doesn't make rape ok.
Joey
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Aug. 20, 2009 1:59 p.m. Buzz Killington Reader
+1. dogs fighting b/c they're working things out among themselves is one thing...that's natural; they do it all the time. it's not a reflection on the character of the owners, but rather on their attentiveness.
dogs being trained to fight each other for entertainment, and then killed when they don't perform up to par, is another.
i hope the Eagles make the SB this year, too. i would love to attend TWO parades this fall/winter.
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Aug. 20, 2009 2:14 p.m. John Brown SuperDork
Coming to Detroit for the Redwings / Pistons celebrations? Cool!
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Aug. 20, 2009 2:33 p.m. poopshovel SuperDork
John Brown wrote:
SVreX wrote:
In the Criminal Justice System the people are represented by two separate, yet equally important groups. The police who investigate crime and the District Attorneys who prosecute the offenders. These are their stories.
Huh? What?
