Xceler8x wrote:A story about vigilantism where the vigilantes walked away. They had the tacit support of the local police and fire dept.
Did you realize that was published October 22, 1988?
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March 2, 2009 12:47 p.m. CrackMonkey Reader
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March 2, 2009 12:53 p.m. GameboyRMH SuperDork
The gravel idea probably wouldn't work - you'd get less skaters and more thugs.
Now with the publicity, getting video of the offenses would be enough for the cops to put down the donuts and do something about it. A few peppersprayings and gun-showings would also put a damper on the hooliganism.
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March 2, 2009 1:08 p.m. EastCoastMojo Dork
Do they make a paintball with a skunk payload?
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March 2, 2009 1:16 p.m. Autolex Reader
my potato gun will fire those little ketchup cups full of all kinds of nasty things. :)
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March 2, 2009 1:57 p.m. Chebbie_SB HalfDork
Autolex wrote:
my potato gun will fire those little ketchup cups full of all kinds of nasty things. :)
How about "Dog Pellets" (post consumer dog-food.....) frozen or fresh ? I guess you'd want a launch method that could employ a chaser "Round" for gun hygiene....
Chebbie
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March 2, 2009 1:57 p.m. Xceler8x HalfDork
CrackMonkey wrote:
Did you realize that was published October 22, 1988?
yeah, it's way old. I saw a TV show about these guys and this thread came to mind. Or vice versa...can't remember which. Either way, they did what they needed to do and walked. I was surprised as usually vigilantes are convicted for whatever crime they committed not matter how good their excuse..er...justification.
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March 2, 2009 2:11 p.m. GameboyRMH SuperDork
EastCoastMojo wrote:
Do they make a paintball with a skunk payload?
Makes you wonder...
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March 2, 2009 2:33 p.m. Wally UltraDork
Xceler8x wrote:
CrackMonkey wrote:
Did you realize that was published October 22, 1988?
yeah, it's way old. I saw a TV show about these guys and this thread came to mind. Or vice versa...can't remember which. Either way, they did what they needed to do and walked. I was surprised as usually vigilantes are convicted for whatever crime they committed not matter how good their excuse..er...justification.
I will see your old vigilante story and raise you Bernie Goetz . A feel good story about a boy and is gun in 1980's New York
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March 2, 2009 4:01 p.m. Datsun1500 HalfDork
Wally wrote:
I will see your old vigilante story and raise you Bernie Goetz . A feel good story about a boy and is gun in 1980's New York
I call your Bernie Goetz and re-raise you Gary Plauche. He shot his kids molester on live TV and got no jail time.
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March 2, 2009 4:01 p.m. audifan New Reader
I would so be using a paintball gun on these little FAWKERS!
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March 2, 2009 4:27 p.m. Appleseed Reader
There's always the option of going MacGyver and replacing the lead shot with rock salt in your 12 ga. Yes really!
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March 2, 2009 10:40 p.m. Wally UltraDork
Appleseed wrote:
There's always the option of going MacGyver and replacing the lead shot with rock salt in your 12 ga. Yes really!
That's brilliant.
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March 3, 2009 9:45 a.m. Strizzo Dork
didn't granny from the beverly hillbillies shoot people with rock salt long before ole mac?
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March 3, 2009 10:02 a.m. Jensenman MegaDork
Rock salt was the non-deadly weapon load of choice back when I was a kid. IIRC you could even buy preloaded low power shotgun shells for just that purpose. Anybody who knows how to reload a shotgun shell can easily do it.
I never got peppered with it but my dad said he did when he was a kid and it stings like crazy. The worst part is it keeps on stinging for a few days.
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March 3, 2009 11:07 a.m. bluej HalfDork
i'm surprised no one went this route:
- video tape hoodlums
- call police
- when police do nothing, call news people with story of police doing nothing.
- repeat untill status quo changes
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March 3, 2009 11:29 a.m. pinchvalve UltraDork
Good luck. There has been an ongoing problem near me, also related to Section 8 housing in an apartment complex. The owners have done nothing for years except increasing the percentage of Section 8 apartments from the original 15% to almost 90% now. Crime is so bad that the entire neighborhood surrounding it has started to collapse. No one wants to live near the complex, and the police blotter in the local paper has never not had an incident related to the building. The police had almost 1500 calls in one year to the same building. I don't know the actual numbers, but I am guessing that represents about 85% of all calls the police go on! There have been lots of calls for more police presence in the building, but there isnt enough money for the little boro to hire extra police just to babysit a bunch of morons. The building is now in foreclosure, and who knows what will happen next. The only way for the staus quo to change is to change the makeup of the people living there. And the same complain is always heard, even if you close the building, the criminals will just go somewhere else. For people living nearby, I am sure that is a fine solution!
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March 3, 2009 11:32 a.m. fiat22turbo SuperDork
Yup, but I would also follow the kids and find out where they live. Then I'd hand copies of the video tapes to the parents with the explanation that I'd like to help their kids to be better human beings. If that gets rebuffed (MY Jimmy doesn't do that, do you, Jimmy? No Mom, he's crazy. Etc.) Then I'll send all of that information to the police and the news media. If none of that changes anything then I'll ratchet it up from there until change occurs.
Then again, like many Oregonians apparently, I'm cravenly passive-aggressive so this all could become vapor ware when push comes to shove.
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March 3, 2009 11:40 a.m. ManofFewWords Reader
pinchvalve wrote:
Good luck. There has been an ongoing problem near me, also related to Section 8 housing in an apartment complex. The owners have done nothing for years except increasing the percentage of Section 8 apartments from the original 15% to almost 90% now. Crime is so bad that the entire neighborhood surrounding it has started to collapse. No one wants to live near the complex, and the police blotter in the local paper has never not had an incident related to the building. The police had almost 1500 calls in one year to the same building. I don't know the actual numbers, but I am guessing that represents about 85% of all calls the police go on! There have been lots of calls for more police presence in the building, but there isnt enough money for the little boro to hire extra police just to babysit a bunch of morons. The building is now in foreclosure, and who knows what will happen next. The only way for the staus quo to change is to change the makeup of the people living there. And the same complain is always heard, even if you close the building, the criminals will just go somewhere else. For people living nearby, I am sure that is a fine solution!
There are dirtballs everywhere. Its how they are "managed" that's the issue. As I stated early on, this is a police problem. If I were you pinchvalve, I would be on the horn to the police cheif, and the mayors office.
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March 3, 2009 11:57 a.m. spitfirebill HalfDork
EastCoastMojo wrote:
Do they make a paintball with a skunk payload?
Exactly what I was thinking of.
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March 3, 2009 12:34 p.m. Jensenman MegaDork
Around here a couple of the convenience stores took care of their loitering problem by playing classical music over outdoor speakers. The gangbangers couldn't STAND it and moved on.
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March 3, 2009 12:55 p.m. Strizzo Dork
Jensenman wrote:
Around here a couple of the convenience stores took care of their loitering problem by playing classical music over outdoor speakers. The gangbangers couldn't STAND it and moved on.
similarly, i worked for a week as a loaner employee at an autozone in the uh, lower income part of town. the manager of the store would only allow country radio to be played in the store when he was there. everyone that worked there hated it (i didnt mind, i actually like real music). i did notice that when the hip-hop station was playing, the customers would hang out and chat with friends, joke around, etc. when the country was playing, folks would come in buy their stuff, and move along. i guess it made the place less of a hang out to them
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March 3, 2009 1:27 p.m. sector7 New Reader
how about marjorie and a concrete truck?
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March 3, 2009 2:45 p.m. fiat22turbo SuperDork
sector7 wrote:
how about marjorie and a concrete truck?
FTMFW!
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March 3, 2009 3:47 p.m. nutherjrfan New Reader
In England they use those noise emitters that only young-uns can hear, pisses them off no end.
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March 3, 2009 4:52 p.m. cwh Dork
Hmmm. Very high frequency- not hard to do. Audio generator, A couple of strong loudspeakers, nickles and dimes to build. Effecive? Dunno.
