ddavidv:
You usually offer very valuable contributions to discussions. That wasn't one of them.
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March 5, 2010 6:18 a.m. SVreX SuperDork
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March 5, 2010 6:23 a.m. ignorant SuperDork
SVreX wrote:
I'm really trying to show you a bit of respect on this, but it would be helpful if you would make an attempt to explain that position.
I'll write a better response later, very busy now.
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March 5, 2010 6:46 a.m. Giant Purple Snorklewacker SuperDork
SVreX wrote:
ddavidv:
You usually offer very valuable contributions to discussions. That wasn't one of them.
I disagree. The fetus truck was much more entertaining than anything posted here since page 2.
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March 5, 2010 7:00 a.m. SVreX SuperDork
I know I am the bad guy here in having derailed this conversation. I apologize for those I have offended, but it's way too important to me.
Though no one has asked my position, and everyone by now considers me a conservative wacko, may I offer my suggested policy for your consideration?
As a matter of personal conviction, life begins at conception without exception. I personally know of dozens of women who have given birth after rape, incest, deformity, and other tragedies. I honor them. They are individuals of much greater fortitude than I.
As a matter of public policy, I suggest the following:
- I like Bill Clinton's rhetoric. Abortion should be safe, legal, and rare. We need a public policy that spends a decade or so focusing on the rare part instead of throwing it around as empty rhetoric.
-Life begins at conception. Scientific fact. It may be a zygote, but it's a human zygote.
-However, a point of viability must be established. I understand that this point will ultimately be arbitrary and will not please anyone. We need it to know how to establish Constitutional rights. I guess that is now somewhere around 23 weeks. I'll let the doctors and politicians decide on that.
-Abortion should be legal up to the point of viability. After that, the baby is a citizen. Murdering citizens is not OK. This would also mean that assailants on pregnant women could not be charged with murder of the fetus prior to the point of viability. This is unfortunate, but it would offer consistent Constitutional rights.
-I would find exceptions for rape, incest, and the life (not generic "health") of the mother OK, but also feel that 23 weeks should generally be ample time to figure out you need to make a decision if you've been raped.
-Late term procedures (for neonatal crisis, genetic issues, etc) should be treated as a citizen with rights. Perhaps that means a C-section or other procedure that begins to focus on saving the baby as well as protecting the mother. C-sections are a lot safer for women than some procedures (like the D&X).
-Full disclosure should be offered to women, including information about likely mental and emotional repercussions, adoptions, etc. so that they can make informed decisions. Failure to do so is abusive of women.
-There's a lot of other details to be sorted out, like use of public money, parental notification in the case of minors, and how to provide proper counseling, but those are the basics.
If that makes me a wacko, I'll accept that fate. I believe it would also put the vast majority of Americans in the wacko column.
What we've got now is NOT OK.
