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Feb. 10, 2010 12:27 p.m. poopshovel UltraDork

Can we finally say goodbye to her? berkeleying seriously?

This whole 'Tea Party' thing struck me as sort of silly and unorganized at first. Then, when it started to gain some momentum, I started thinking "Holy E36 M3, if the Libertarians had been this vocal and active for the last few years, maybe we'd have a shot at some seats in Congress." And now back to "Oh wow. Really. That's going to be your spokesperson? That's the best you can do? Old-gaurd Republicans in new clothes? Someone who can't remember a handful (zing) of talking points for 40 freakin' minutes in front of a crowd of a WHOPPING (drumroll) ONE-THOUSAND-PEOPLE!? (of course, the tea-partiers will claim that there were over a million there.) Ugh.

Personally, I'm disgusted by how she was treated by the media/uneducated numbtards who get their news from John Stewart, TMZ, and SNL. And the way some women; many so-called feminists talked about her was just disappointing.

Is anyone still on-board with her? Anyone else disappointed that this is (I guess?) the new face of this whole tea-party thing?
Feb. 10, 2010 12:37 p.m. Tom Heath Marketing / Club Coordinator

poopshovel wrote:

Someone who can't remember a handful (zing) of talking points

So funny. Especially after she made fun of B.O. for using a teleprompter. Maybe she's just trying to conserve energy.
Feb. 10, 2010 12:41 p.m. poopshovel UltraDork

Especially after she made fun of B.O. for using a teleprompter.

srsly. And I hate...berkeleying hate...I mean hate in the way that makes my blood pressure go through the roof the moment I see his smarmy, condescending, punk-ass face, Robert Gibbs, but that E36 M3 was hee-larious.
Feb. 10, 2010 12:42 p.m. aircooled SuperDork

Some seem to see her as be very straight forward and honest... I tend to see her as (what has become) the very definition of a politician, just telling people what they want to hear (whether she truly understands it or not).

I see her as an absolute non-starter for most elected offices. She has committed way to many political "sins". I did really enjoy seeing what an interview with a totally unprepared politician looked like though... not likely to happen again...
Feb. 10, 2010 12:46 p.m. Joe Gearin Associate Publisher

I'm with ya Poop. When I first heard about the Tea Party thing I though they may be onto something. (smaller govt. no taxation without representation etc.) The more press they get though, the more of a farce it becomes.

Having Palin as their keynote speaker was a bad joke. This is the best and brightest they could come up with? Really? Does anyone see her as a visionary thinker?

All of the GOP supporters, and Libertarians that I know think she is a dimwit. I have no idea who these folks are that are backing her. Maybe it is the Dems as they will be sitting pretty if Palin somehow gets nominated to run for Pres.
Feb. 10, 2010 12:57 p.m. Marjorie Suddard General Manager

She'll be signing "her" book here in Daytona on Friday. Those weak-minded enough to out her company will have to a) obtain a wristband--one per person strictly!--from the Books-a-million store that morning and b) present themselves back at the store after it closes at 6 p.m. with their--limit 2 per person, her book only, no other articles signed!--object to be autographed. They will then file by while she scribbles her name in the book. Whoopee.

At least they'll be spared having to hear her speak.

Margie
Feb. 10, 2010 12:59 p.m. Giant Purple Snorklewacker SuperDork

In reply to Marjorie Suddard:

...no other articles... So getting my breasts signed is probably out then.
Feb. 10, 2010 1:01 p.m. poopshovel UltraDork

The more press they get though, the more of a farce it becomes.

I don't think the people are a farce. At least not the ones I know. And they're REALLY REALLY REALLY sick of being discounted as "Racists who just hate Obama." The folks I know who are really into the thing were just as furious with Bush's massive, rapid expansion of gov't, ignoring problems like immigration, the Iraq war (some more/less than others.) I think thee Obama/shift in congress was just the tipping point.

I dunno. Maybe the fact that only 1,000 people showed up for this thing is an indication that the tea-partiers ain't feelin' teh Palin. According to the news, many were furious over her fee for showing up ($100k???)
Feb. 10, 2010 1:10 p.m. poopshovel UltraDork

Marjorie Suddard wrote:

She'll be signing "her" book here in Daytona on Friday. Those weak-minded enough to out her company will have to a) obtain a wristband--one per person strictly!--from the Books-a-million store that morning and b) present themselves back at the store after it closes at 6 p.m. with their--limit 2 per person, her book only, no other articles signed!--object to be autographed. They will then file by while she scribbles her name in the book. Whoopee.

At least they'll be spared having to hear her speak.

Margie

Aaawww c'mon now. Having run many events yourself, you know how important strict organization is. Otherwise, you end up with three political-cbg-stalker types ruining it for all the other mouth-breathers. My sis-in-law recently went to a Stephen King signing and said it was pretty Nazi-esque.
Feb. 10, 2010 1:33 p.m. oldsaw Dork

poopshovel wrote:

The more press they get though, the more of a farce it becomes.

I don't think the people are a farce. At least not the ones I know. And they're REALLY REALLY REALLY sick of being discounted as "Racists who just hate Obama." The folks I know who are really into the thing were just as furious with Bush's massive, rapid expansion of gov't, ignoring problems like immigration, the Iraq war (some more/less than others.) I think thee Obama/shift in congress was just the tipping point.

I dunno. Maybe the fact that only 1,000 people showed up for this thing is an indication that the tea-partiers ain't feelin' teh Palin. According to the news, many were furious over her fee for showing up ($100k???)

The Tea Party convention was set-up by a "for profit" organization. It is suspected that didn't sit very well with the base constituents. As for Palin's speaking fee, she stated the funds go directly back to the "cause".

Palin has a hard slog to earn credibility as a Presidential candidate. Her convention speech offered little of substance and too many platitudes; her "folksy" approach just doesn't work like it did in the past.

Gibbs was funny, but made himself a fool by mocking Palin's palm notes. She can list her talking points within a few square inches, but his boss has to read every word from teleprompters. That's a good thing because the President hasn't had much success when he's faced with un-scripted speaking opportunities.
Feb. 10, 2010 1:49 p.m. Marjorie Suddard General Manager

poopshovel wrote:

Aaawww c'mon now. Having run many events yourself, you know how important strict organization is. Otherwise, you end up with three political-cbg-stalker types ruining it for all the other mouth-breathers. My sis-in-law recently went to a Stephen King signing and said it was pretty Nazi-esque.

Which is kinda my point. She ain't no Stephen King.

Margie
Feb. 10, 2010 2:02 p.m. 914Driver UltraDork

No, she ain't no Stephen King, but she ain't no Ronald Reagan either.

I think she'll burn out and go away however, I am glad that the Tea Partiers, the Political Comedians or whomever is taking some of the shine off Obama. For a year this guy can do no wrong, lets give a brotha a chance. Now whether it's some whacko Conservative folks or Jay and Conan are duking out low blows, but the Media is looking at Obama with a jaunticed eye.

Hmmm, maybe he can do wrong.

No, I don't think Sarah Palin dresses like a slutty airline stewardess.
Feb. 10, 2010 2:03 p.m. ignorant UltimaDork

thats about all I got.
Feb. 10, 2010 2:07 p.m. slefain Dork

She lost my respect when she quit her governorship. Didn't even finish the first term. Becoming the youngest governor in Alaska history AND the first female governor apparently wasn't good enough. She used the people of Alaska like a foot stool then tossed them away after getting into the spotlight. She's a quitter and a self-centered grandstanding politician. Even Neil Boortz ragged on her for the Tea Party speech, THAT is saying something.
Feb. 10, 2010 2:37 p.m. poopshovel UltraDork
slefain wrote:

She lost my respect when she quit her governorship. Didn't even finish the first term. Becoming the youngest governor in Alaska history AND the first female governor apparently wasn't good enough. She used the people of Alaska like a foot stool then tossed them away after getting into the spotlight. She's a quitter and a self-centered grandstanding politician. Even Neil Boortz ragged on her for the Tea Party speech, THAT is saying something.
- N_E_A_L.
And I would EXPECT boortz to criticize her. He's no marching order takin' Hannity/Limbaugh type.
Feb. 10, 2010 2:37 p.m. turboswede UltraDork

.....anyway......

Back to the studio.
Feb. 10, 2010 2:38 p.m. poopshovel UltraDork

Marjorie Suddard wrote:

poopshovel wrote:

Aaawww c'mon now. Having run many events yourself, you know how important strict organization is. Otherwise, you end up with three political-cbg-stalker types ruining it for all the other mouth-breathers. My sis-in-law recently went to a Stephen King signing and said it was pretty Nazi-esque.

Which is kinda my point. She ain't no Stephen King.

Margie

She's also not a 'nobody' who won't draw a crowd...with lotsa loonies.
Feb. 10, 2010 2:47 p.m. oldsaw Dork
poopshovel wrote:
- N_E_A_L.
And I would EXPECT boortz to criticize her. He's no marching order takin' Hannity/Limbaugh type.
Where's that damn eleventy billion button?
Feb. 10, 2010 2:57 p.m. tuna55 HalfDork

I back the tea party as a movement - I went to one, enjoyed the politics. I don't think that the tea party as a convention can work well, because there are too many politicians that want in for obvious reasons. I think it's a great movement to bring both parties back near center (up/down - towards libertarian, not left/right) and it might work.

Palin is okay. She isn't anything special, but she sure isn't that bad. Had she run in the primaries for president last time instead of being a vp pick, I would have placed her third on my list of the republicans. She quit being governor because she instantly became inundated with ethics claims that go along with the '15 minutes of fame' stuff, because she felt she was causing more damage to Alaska by not being able to govern properly due to these charges. I respect that, I probably would have done the same thing.

I don't think that Palin is the spokesperson for the tea party movement, either. She was a speaker at this little tea party convention adjunct, and that's it.
Feb. 10, 2010 3:00 p.m. pete240z Dork

All these politicians make me nuts......check out the mess that Scott Lee Cohen dumped on Illinois last week.

Palin gets on my nerves too. Even though I lean a little bit that way....

Here is the latest billboard in Wyoming, Minnesota.
Feb. 10, 2010 3:21 p.m. ignorant UltimaDork

tuna55 wrote: She quit being governor because she instantly became inundated with ethics claims that go along with the '15 minutes of fame' stuff, because she felt she was causing more damage to Alaska by not being able to govern properly due to these charges. I respect that, I probably would have done the same thing.

So you're saying that you would effectively get up and leave when the going got tough? Even if you were in the right?

Really?

Why are people OK with this?

As a father, I hope I never demonstrate this behavior to my child and will never condone it. It's unconscionable. Maybe, It's because I am a product of a Montessori school and was taught to work to my own self satisfaction, never give up when something was just plain difficult, and to always challenge myself.
Feb. 10, 2010 3:22 p.m. ignorant UltimaDork

pete240z wrote:

All these politicians make me nuts......check out the mess that Scott Lee Cohen dumped on Illinois last week.

Palin gets on my nerves too. Even though I lean a little bit that way....

Here is the latest billboard in Wyoming, Minnesota.

To this day that man still makes me physically angry, same with my wife and friends.
Feb. 10, 2010 3:52 p.m. mad_machine PowerDork

It is still my opinion that the republican party threw away the last election. They knew after Bush it would be a hard sell, and that once they saw the steam Obama was building, that anybody they put against him would be destroyed...

So what did they do?

The threw a bone to a LONG time supporter and best chance they had by giving McCain the nod.. and then they saddled him with HER.

I do not know why the republicans do that.. get a decent presidential contender, and give them a VP that can't spell patato.
Feb. 10, 2010 4:05 p.m. oldsaw Dork

ignorant wrote:

Maybe, It's because I am a product of a Montessori school and was taught to work to my own self satisfaction, never give up when something was just plain difficult, and to always challenge myself.

Palin's resignation wasn't self-satisfying? It saved her state's citizens the distraction and costs of litigation for contrived ethics violations that were an interference to govern. Resigning also took unwarranted focus away from her family; an institution you place as an utmost priority.

You may have reason to disagree with her (or anyone else's) standards, but that doesn't make your's better except in your own mind.
Feb. 10, 2010 4:15 p.m. ignorant UltimaDork

oldsaw wrote:

ignorant wrote:

Maybe, It's because I am a product of a Montessori school and was taught to work to my own self satisfaction, never give up when something was just plain difficult, and to always challenge myself.

Palin's resignation wasn't self-satisfying? It saved her state's citizens the distraction and costs of litigation for contrived ethics violations that were an interference to govern. Resigning also took unwarranted focus away from her family; an institution you place as an utmost priority.

You may have reason to disagree with her (or anyone else's) standards, but that doesn't make your's better except in your own mind.

excuses.

What would he say about her behavior as it relates to her leadership abilities?

Plus you misunderstand "self satisfication" It is mean to explain that you work until you are satisifed that you yourself have mastered the skill. It directly related to working for a "grade" or approval of others... Do you mean to pervert the meaning to mean that she understood everything she needed to before her term was up and decided to throw in the towel because she was happy with what she had done? Really.. You're stretching.

<-- Read it.. You libertarian types really do fit the montessori mold more than the hippies who go to montessori classes do.

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