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I live in Marxland. Sorry, I meant "Maryland." The ticket goes to the owner of the vehicle. If you go to court to fight the ticket, the judge demands to know the name, address, and driver's license number of the person who was driving the vehicle.
You will not get out of this ticket.
benzbaron wrote:The government cannot compel you to testify against anyone. Tell them it is up to the state to prove who was driving if it wasn't you and unless you are subpoenaed and under oath you are under no obligation to provide any evidence against who was/wasn't driving. Make the state work for their money. Also a photograph might be hearsay evidence and inadmissible in court, how are you able to verify that the camera was working correctly when it snapped the photo? I wouldn't pay anything.
Maryland speed cameras are, by law, calibrated weekly and are set to take pictures at 12 mph over the posted limit. The law also says the owner of the vehicle pays the fine unless he gives up the person who was driving, period, end of story. Yes, it is a violation of rights. Yes, it is completely unethical. No, you will not get away with it by pleading the 5th Amendment or claiming "hearsay" or anything.
This is the state of Maryland; it is run by communists. I hate my state's government.
Sky_Render wrote:This is the state of Maryland; it is run by communists. I hate my state's government.
Hear, hear! This state's government consists only of the corrupt and the insane.
Sky_Render wrote:The law also says the owner of the vehicle pays the fine unless he gives up the person who was driving, period, end of story.
You certainly never read the law. Because it says nothing of the sort.
http://mlis.state.md.us/asp/web_statutes.asp?gtr&21-809
That's the law. No where in there does it say what you claim.
foxtrapper wrote:Sky_Render wrote:The law also says the owner of the vehicle pays the fine unless he gives up the person who was driving, period, end of story.
You certainly never read the law. Because it says nothing of the sort.
http://mlis.state.md.us/asp/web_statutes.asp?gtr&21-809
That's the law. No where in there does it say what you claim.
Gee, it says the owner of the vehicle pays the fine unless they give up the person who was driving, doesn't it? That's the law:
(3) Except as provided in subsection (f)(4) of this section, an agency may not mail a citation to a person who is not an owner....
If the District Court finds that the person named in the citation was not operating the vehicle at the time of the violation or receives evidence under paragraph (3) of this subsection identifying the person driving the vehicle at the time of the violation, the clerk of the court shall provide to the agency issuing the citation a copy of any evidence substantiating who was operating the vehicle at the time of the violation.
So, as I previously said, unless you give the Court the exact info of who was driving, the owner of the vehicle pays the fine.
Sky is correct. If there is a fine, three driver pays unless he or she gives up evidence as to someone else driving.
Cripes, neither of you two can read.
The agency that MAILS the fine can only mail it to the owner of the vehicle, listed as the registered owner associated with the licence plate of the vehicle receiving the citation.
The Court only requires that you declare the tags stolen, or swear it wasn't you and present any evidence to substantiate (corroborate) that claim. NOTHING about turning over someone else.
The Clerk of the Court then gives whatever information comes from the case to the agency, NOTHING requiring evidence of who was driving, only proof that you weren't.
Read the law, the whole thing.
foxtrapper wrote:Cripes, neither of you two can read.
The agency that MAILS the fine can only mail it to the owner of the vehicle, listed as the registered owner associated with the licence plate of the vehicle receiving the citation.
The Court only requires that you declare the tags stolen, or swear it wasn't you and present any evidence to substantiate (corroborate) that claim. NOTHING about turning over someone else.
The Clerk of the Court then gives whatever information comes from the case to the agency, NOTHING requiring evidence of who was driving, only proof that you weren't.
Read the law, the whole thing.
Uh huh. And what evidence is it that you're supposed to present to the court?
I'll tell you. It's the person who was allegedly driving your vehicle. Nothing else proves to the court that you were not operating the vehicle. (Remember, they have a picture of the car.)
Cripes...
Sky_Render wrote:Uh huh. And what evidence is it that you're supposed to present to the court?
Timesheet showing you were at work somewhere else. Airline ticket showing you were somewhere else. Etc.
I'll tell you. It's the person who was allegedly driving your vehicle. Nothing else proves to the court that you were not operating the vehicle. (Remember, they have a picture of the car.)
Cripes...
You can rant it as loudly as you wish, if it makes you feel better. You're no closer to actually being right, but if you feel better about yourself....
