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TJ said:Some of us realize that it took both parties to get us into this mess and see that they are essentially only a single party intent on the same goals.
True words. I honestly feel like every single election is the choice between the lesser of two evils.
aussiesmg wrote:Adrian_Thompson wrote:I consider it a return on investment. My tax money goes to support it too. I'm happy it does as I can see keeping the economy moving and people employed. I'm working and paying my mortgage as well, but see the TARP and Mortgage relief as a necessary evil. If we hadn't done it I think we'd be back in 1930 again with a serious depression that would hurt all of us more than the current tax burden. I save for retirement so I'll have a good one. I support TARP and CFC so there's still a viable country to live and work in.
Are you seriously suggesting C4C saved us from a recession? With a straight face even
I think he is saying the CFC, along with TARP, helped the economy.
Are you intentionally misinterpreting what he wrote?
C4C was like 3 Bill. If that saved us, what about the other 997 Bill they just blew? How about a BIll for me? I could solve a lot of our problems for a Bill, including energy, healtcare, and other stuff that I don't even care about, but no one really wants those problems solved.
Yeah, TJ, I've said for a long time we have a 1 party system and our only choice is Socialism/Totalitarianism at 70 MPH or Socialism/Totalitarianism at 100 MPH. Take your pick.
But, when 2 million people spent their own money and time to go protest in DC (and no one heard about it besides the 2 million and their firends), I have a feeling that got their attention.
GlennS wrote:aussiesmg wrote:Adrian_Thompson wrote:I consider it a return on investment. My tax money goes to support it too. I'm happy it does as I can see keeping the economy moving and people employed. I'm working and paying my mortgage as well, but see the TARP and Mortgage relief as a necessary evil. If we hadn't done it I think we'd be back in 1930 again with a serious depression that would hurt all of us more than the current tax burden. I save for retirement so I'll have a good one. I support TARP and CFC so there's still a viable country to live and work in.
Are you seriously suggesting C4C saved us from a recession? With a straight face even
I think he is saying the CFC, along with TARP, helped the economy.
Are you intentionally misinterpreting what he wrote?
Nope, he stated "If we hadn't done it I think we'd be back in 1930 again with a serious depression that would hurt all of us more than the current tax burden." That would not be a misinterpretation now would it? Pretty much states CFC (and TARP) kept us out of a depression, my only misrepresentation would appear to be toning it down to "recession"
aussiesmg wrote:GlennS wrote:aussiesmg wrote:Adrian_Thompson wrote:I consider it a return on investment. My tax money goes to support it too. I'm happy it does as I can see keeping the economy moving and people employed. I'm working and paying my mortgage as well, but see the TARP and Mortgage relief as a necessary evil. If we hadn't done it I think we'd be back in 1930 again with a serious depression that would hurt all of us more than the current tax burden. I save for retirement so I'll have a good one. I support TARP and CFC so there's still a viable country to live and work in.
Are you seriously suggesting C4C saved us from a recession? With a straight face even
I think he is saying the CFC, along with TARP, helped the economy.
Are you intentionally misinterpreting what he wrote?
Nope, he stated "If we hadn't done it I think we'd be back in 1930 again with a serious depression that would hurt all of us more than the current tax burden." That would not be a misinterpretation now would it? Pretty much states CFC (and TARP) kept us out of a depression, my only misrepresentation would appear to be toning it down to "recession"
You originally wrote "Are you seriously suggesting C4C saved us from a recession? With a straight face even"
He never suggested that C4C saved the economy from a recession. He also never suggested it. Hes saying he supports C4C for the same reason that he supports TARP, because he think that its a good return on investment and helps the economy. This leads me to believe that you either misinterpreted his post or deliberately misconstrued it.
You could have argued that you disagree with C4C being a good return on investment or that TARP didnt avert an economic meltdown and stated your thinking if you wanted to add to the conversation.
Toyman01 wrote:Spout some good sense rather that the usual party line, and some of us might listen.
Then I'd have to get all creative and stop reading Huffington Post! That's way too much work when I can have my dance moves scripted out for me. That way when I duke it out with the Fox News'ers we can shadow box all day long! It's a great work out. 
TJ wrote: Don't make the small-minded mistake of assuming everyone who opposes Obama is a Republican. Some of us realize that it took both parties to get us into this mess and see that they are essentially only a single party intent on the same goals.
Exactly.
Not only that, but it took people voting. Hell, I voted for GW the first go around, AND I voted for Obama. GW was the single biggest voting mistake I've ever made, and if the bs health plan goes through, Obama is right-up there with it.
Looks like the f'd up country is all my fault. 
karlt_10 wrote:Not only that, but it took people voting. Hell, I voted for GW the first go around, AND I voted for Obama.
Just out of curiosity, what was it that made you vote for Obama? This is not meant to be a huge debate, but what was it? Hope and change? He wasn't Bush? I always wondered what he stood for that made people vote for him.
Xceler8x wrote:Toyman01 wrote:Spout some good sense rather that the usual party line, and some of us might listen.
Then I'd have to get all creative and stop reading Huffington Post! That's way too much work when I can have my dance moves scripted out for me. That way when I duke it out with the Fox News'ers we can shadow box all day long! It's a great work out.
Good one! 
Dr. Hess wrote:...I've said for a long time we have a 1 party system and our only choice is Socialism/Totalitarianism at 70 MPH or Socialism/Totalitarianism at 100 MPH. Take your pick.
Quoted for truth.
Here's hoping for a bridge abutment for both of them. I'm afraid that is the only way to stop them.
Datsun1500 wrote: Just out of curiosity, what was it that made you vote for Obama? This is not meant to be a huge debate, but what was it? Hope and change? He wasn't Bush? I always wondered what he stood for that made people vote for him.
He has the backbone and sense of reality to accept and admit that not only does he make mistakes and doesn't know it all, but that the US makes mistakes and doesn't know it all.
His acceptance that Iraq was a mistake and is un-winnable. My belief that the reasons given to start the war were constructed and contrived. (Colin Powell being sent before the UN with drawings of what we said Iraq had was the turning point of my support for GW)
Not only the above, but I picture McCain being a continuation of the 'scared old man on Viagaria' days of GW, including almost certain refusal to accept that Iraq is a losing cause. Add-in Palin being a moron and sensationalist through and through.
I think if McCain had won we'd have seen a refusal to accept the condition of our economy. A refusal to accept a level of stimulus spending that economists far more intelligent than any of use here have said was needed to save our economy. (Yes, it will create it's own animal) A refusal to accept that quite often the US gets what it gives, and that sometimes it takes more strength and confidence to not flex your muscles.
I find it amusing that people lay the economy's problems at Obama's feet. Easily obtainable figures show the economy is well within a strong turn-around. Just because people are unemployed does change that we seem to have halted the rescission and almost certainly avoided depression.
All of that being said- if this BS health care plan goes through, I'll vote against every single person I can who voted for it...... And yes, he does seem to be poking his nose into corporate American a bit too much...
CFC in a nutshell: Someone takes my money, at gunpoint, and pays someone elses down-payment on a new car!
We need the opposite of Socialist medicine: FASCIST MEDICINE!
The government will put a gun your head and tell you to get better... OR ELSE!
But will nationalized healthcare save Corvettes from the crusher? I'm really not sure. I didn't even think the two topics had anything to do with each other, besides our government being involved.
Quick, topic change to something else our government is involved in... GO!
Salanis wrote:Quick, topic change to something else our government is involved in... GO!
National Parks. Saving land so that everyone can share it all equaly and stuff and enjoy it years from now.
ITS SOCIALISM (or something) and the private sector could run it better if we would just sell it to them.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jiORhKnwXF4&feature=related
Heres the maserati that got turned in. still looking for the Aston
spdracer315 wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jiORhKnwXF4&feature=related
Heres the maserati that got turned in. still looking for the Aston
Biturbo's were "clunkers" when they rolled off the assembly line.
They got a reprieve in 2009.
oldsaw wrote:spdracer315 wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jiORhKnwXF4&feature=related
Heres the maserati that got turned in. still looking for the Aston
Biturbo's were "clunkers" when they rolled off the assembly line.
They got a reprieve in 2009.
Haha, true. It is an ugly car, reliability is non-existant (i wonder how they got it to run long enough to sieze the engine? no really, serious question.) But still, its not something you see everyday, kinda neat, kinda like a Yugo... Ok, no, it wasnt worth the $3500 he got, so guess i cant blame him.
Wow, I didn't realize that this thread was still going on. No, I never said or claimed that CFC single handedly saved the economy. I honestly believe that CFC was one of the many things that have helped start to turn the economy round. Along with TARP, Auto bailouts etc etc. I have no regrets whatsoever about voting for Obama.
Oh, and I still believe that in the long run the cars that have got taken off the road will be insignificant in the grand scheme of things when it comes to toys and collectors vehicles down the road. Yes yes you can keep shouting Maserati's and Astons, but I'll bet those cars were POS's of vehicles that needed significant (read $$$) work or they could have just traded them in instead.
Another up side is look at all the good parts now out there. I bumped into a fried the other day who'd been to the junk yard and commented that there were about a billion CFC'd V8 Explorer's. While the block is toast and can't be resold there is now an over abundance of GT40P heads, Explorer lower intakes and throttle bodies out there going cheap. Those parts are nice low buck upgrades for Mustangs.
