John Brown wrote:For 1% of the expenditure annually I will sit on a fence and bring a hundred of my fellow GRM folks. Rifles will be supplied.
How about beer? 
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July 21, 2008 3:26 p.m. Jensenman UltimaDork
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July 21, 2008 8:49 p.m. Wall-e SuperDork
WLB wrote:
a sheep was gang raped in an apartment and hurt so bad it had to be put down,
Who'd a thought, Illegal Scots in Indianapolis
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July 22, 2008 12:48 a.m. Strizzo Dork
Jensenman wrote:
John Brown wrote:
For 1% of the expenditure annually I will sit on a fence and bring a hundred of my fellow GRM folks. Rifles will be supplied.
How about beer?
i'll sign up as well, as long as there is beer
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July 22, 2008 6:40 a.m. Jensenman UltimaDork
Wall-e wrote:
WLB wrote:
a sheep was gang raped in an apartment and hurt so bad it had to be put down,
Who'd a thought, Illegal Scots in Indianapolis
(wipes coffee off of monitor) Wally, you ain't right.
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July 22, 2008 7:42 a.m. slefain Dork
Not to throw the topic off too much, but before condemning entire swaths of people with faceless numbers and figures, I'd suggest actually talking with an illegal immigrant. They are a human being after all. I'm not advocatiing illegal immigration, I think we all should be held to the same laws. I am all for better border control. What I am advocating against is blind hatred.
Before anyone goes and calls me a commie pinko, I guarantee I am on of the few people here who is a victim of an illegal immigrant (drunk driver head on, almost killed me). I have probably more right than anyone to scream bloody murder, shoot them all on the fence line and landmine the border. But I don't because I know many more illegal immigrants who are my friends and who care for me, than I do who have harmed me.
Just something to think about....
And the illegals Scots in Indy comment almost made me drop my coffee......
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July 22, 2008 7:47 a.m. SoloSonett New Reader
The solution is simple:
Line the Southern Border with.... WalMarts!
Workers go in the back, shoppers in and out the front
And all the cash to China!
Wake Up White Peepole!
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July 22, 2008 8:00 a.m. spitfirebill HalfDork
No one has brought it up,but remember when our wondorful Congress passed NAFTA and sent all our textile and auto jobs to mexico to raise their standard of living? The intent was to stop illegal immigration. Worked well didn't it?
I wonder what our Bill of Rights would look like if Congress tried to write them today.
Lastly, i wonder if my forebears violated Native American's immigration laws.
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July 22, 2008 8:48 a.m. GlennS HalfDork
Jensenman wrote:
GlennS wrote:
ok lets research all of the advantages given by illegal immigration and see if its a net gain or loss.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't you have a fit a while back about what the iraq war is costing? And isn't the illegal immigration problem costing a lot more that Iraq? (Last figure I heard on the Iraq War, BTW, was $104 billion a year.) The illegals send half of that out of the country every year. The difference is most of the money for Iraq goes back into the US economy, the $45 billion sent out by illegals does not.
Im simply asking for a cost benefit analysis. I dont think ive ever heard anyone state that the war in iraq has been a boon to the U.S. economy. I have heard people say that there is a net benefit to illegal immigation. I have no idea if its true or not though.
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July 22, 2008 9:01 a.m. Dr. Hess UberDork
The cost to all us paying the bills like prisons, various welfare, public "education," "free" medical benefits, sheep, titanium for leg bones, higher car insurance, lower wages for the working poor, lost taxes from the cash based workers, etc. is quite high. The benefits are really, really good for a very small number of us like large corporations that look the other way, some small businesses like restaurants and lawn maintenance. Oh, and the rest of us save three cents a pound on chicken. Woo-Hoo!!
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July 22, 2008 9:07 a.m. WLB New Reader
It's a net benefit if you are employing illegals. It's an even larger net benefit if you are in a business that takes in a lot of cash so you can pay the illegal $5.00 cash and not pay anything into his false SS number for SS and Medicare.
It's a net loss if you are a taxpayer. You are subsidizing the businesses who employ illegals.
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July 22, 2008 9:53 a.m. GlennS HalfDork
So thats why my KFC is so cheap
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July 22, 2008 10:02 a.m. Jensenman UltimaDork
A war gives a nice convenient hole to throw plenty of money into. The money goes to defense contractors who in turn hire US citizens. Wars suck but they do put money in circulation.
And I believe WLB and Dr Hess covered the cost/benefit ratio of illegal immigrants quite well.
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July 22, 2008 10:03 a.m. neon4891 HalfDork
Just look at it this way, as Carlos Mancia said "the economy is fine, when the mexicans STOP coming over, THEN It's time to start worrying" or something along those lines. as long as the mexican keep hoping the border, we know that our economy is stronger than mexicos, FWIW.
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July 22, 2008 10:21 a.m. Dr. Hess UberDork
Oh, yeah, that's a great benchmark: Our economy is better than Mexico's, so everything is just fine. Lessee, as long as our economy is better than the country formerly known as Rhodesia, where a loaf of bread is currently ten billion currency units and everyone is starving or dead, then we're also just fine. So, come on over. Lets give them neon4891's job and he can go on welfare and retire.
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July 22, 2008 10:28 a.m. aircooled Dork
WLB wrote: This is what illegals cost us....
Although I am sure this is all true, to get a better perspective you would have to compare these costs to what a typical "merican" costs the US. (especially those damn Scotts)
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July 22, 2008 10:32 a.m. Jensenman UltimaDork
Hey Doc, you keep forgetting that since we bust our azzes to build what we have we are supposed to give it away everywhere in the name of fairness.
Or should we? How about the Little Red Hen?
The classic folktale begins in a cottage shared by a little red hen, a goose, a cat, and a dog. The goose gossips all day. The cat primps. The dog sleeps. So Little Red Hen is left to do all the work about the house. When she finds a few grains of wheat, she asks the others, "Who wants to plant these grains of wheat?" The goose, the cat, and the dog each answer, "Not I." The Little Red Hen plants and eventually harvests the wheat and whenever she asks for help, the goose, the cat, and the dog answer, 'Not I'. But when the Little Red Hen has the wheat ground into flour and then wakes early one morning to make the flour into bread, the others change their tune. As soon as they smell the baking bread, each animal offers to help eat it. Only then do they finally learn, that since the Little Red Hen was the only one who did all the work, then she is the only one who is allowed to enjoy its rewards. And without any hesitation, she eats the bread herself.
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July 22, 2008 10:39 a.m. neon4891 HalfDork
now I see why others have started putting sarcasm disclaimers on their posts.
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July 22, 2008 10:43 a.m. Tim Baxter Online Editor
Jensenman wrote:
Hey Doc, you keep forgetting that since we bust our azzes to build what we have we are supposed to give it away everywhere in the name of fairness.
Or should we? How about the Little Red Hen?
The classic folktale begins in a cottage shared by a little red hen, a goose, a cat, and a dog. The goose gossips all day. The cat primps. The dog sleeps. So Little Red Hen is left to do all the work about the house. When she finds a few grains of wheat, she asks the others, "Who wants to plant these grains of wheat?" The goose, the cat, and the dog each answer, "Not I." The Little Red Hen plants and eventually harvests the wheat and whenever she asks for help, the goose, the cat, and the dog answer, 'Not I'. But when the Little Red Hen has the wheat ground into flour and then wakes early one morning to make the flour into bread, the others change their tune. As soon as they smell the baking bread, each animal offers to help eat it. Only then do they finally learn, that since the Little Red Hen was the only one who did all the work, then she is the only one who is allowed to enjoy its rewards. And without any hesitation, she eats the bread herself.
Then the cat and dog, being carnivores, eat the hen. And the goose.
The moral: It's better to be on top of the food chain.
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July 22, 2008 10:56 a.m. Jensenman UltimaDork
Tim Baxter wrote:
Jensenman wrote:
Hey Doc, you keep forgetting that since we bust our azzes to build what we have we are supposed to give it away everywhere in the name of fairness.
Or should we? How about the Little Red Hen?
The classic folktale begins in a cottage shared by a little red hen, a goose, a cat, and a dog. The goose gossips all day. The cat primps. The dog sleeps. So Little Red Hen is left to do all the work about the house. When she finds a few grains of wheat, she asks the others, "Who wants to plant these grains of wheat?" The goose, the cat, and the dog each answer, "Not I." The Little Red Hen plants and eventually harvests the wheat and whenever she asks for help, the goose, the cat, and the dog answer, 'Not I'. But when the Little Red Hen has the wheat ground into flour and then wakes early one morning to make the flour into bread, the others change their tune. As soon as they smell the baking bread, each animal offers to help eat it. Only then do they finally learn, that since the Little Red Hen was the only one who did all the work, then she is the only one who is allowed to enjoy its rewards. And without any hesitation, she eats the bread herself.
Then the cat and dog, being carnivores, eat the hen. And the goose.
The moral: It's better to be on top of the food chain.
That last part wasn't in my first grade books.
No LOL emoticon, unfortunately. :-(
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July 22, 2008 11:15 a.m. Dr. Hess UberDork
The way I heard it, the Little Red Hen shows the dog and goose the business end of her AK and the dog and goose decided peacefully to back away and leave the hen's food alone.
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July 22, 2008 11:22 a.m. neon4891 HalfDork
Dr. Hess wrote:
Pax Romani?The way I heard it, the Little Red Hen shows the dog and goose the business end of her AK and the dog and goose decided peacefully to back away and leave the hen's food alone.
