Looks like Boris Johnson was moved to the ICU... not good.
I did hear he had some sort of serious illness when he was younger, but I can't seem to find any evidence of that in a quick search. He is overweight, but does seem to be in relatively good shape.
I saw a map that showed "Where people are still traveling more than two miles from home." The entire Northeast was white (nobody traveling) and the Southeast was pretty red (lots of travel). They were basing this on mobile phones moving around.
I didn't like it, because:
1. Many places in the South are more than two miles away from a grocery store or place of work, and people need to eat and work.
2. Many places in the North are exactly the same, and the map showed zero travel. I know for a fact that members of my family up there have to go almost a mile and a half down a mountain to get to a main ROAD, much less a store of any kind.
My point is, a lot of the media being put out might be inexact, or, in a worse case, intentionally misleading to push an agenda.
Some folks have spent so much of their lives being angry at "the man" that they can't stop blaming business even when people are hurting. The world simply isn't that black and white.
"The Economy" doesn't mean "the shareholders" or "the profits". It means the entire impact to ALL of us.
66 million Americans work in occupations with high risk of layoff. 47 million people could lose their jobs. That would mean an unemployment rate of 32%. The Great Depression only hit 24.9%. (and we have 3X as many people now) Coronavirus job losses
Think the economy can't kill people? Tell that to the 40,000 people who committed suicide during the Great Depression. Current projections suggest the US suicide rate could hit 16.6 per 100,000 in 2021. That's 54,000 people.
Yes, I understand people who are concerned about the economy look "callous". Well, people who are NOT concerned about the economy and it's human impact look equally callous.
We can't throw the baby away with the bath water. This is a time that needs great sacrifice, great compromise, great love, and great humanity. Single issue arguments are getting us nowhere. There are many, many problems we need to be working on solving right now. How about we stop arguing and start working together?
Brett_Murphy (Forum Supporter) said:
I saw a map that showed "Where people are still traveling more than two miles from home." The entire Northeast was white (nobody traveling) and the Southeast was pretty red (lots of travel). They were basing this on mobile phones moving around.
I didn't like it, because:
1. Many places in the South are more than two miles away from a grocery store or place of work, and people need to eat and work.
2. Many places in the North are exactly the same, and the map showed zero travel. I know for a fact that members of my family up there have to go almost a mile and a half down a mountain to get to a main ROAD, much less a store of any kind.
My point is, a lot of the media being put out might be inexact, or, in a worse case, intentionally misleading to push an agenda.
The narrative is to make all of the South appear to be red states who do what they want and to paint them as evangelical obese ignorant hillbillies who will make everything worse for the rest of the country. I agree with you that the store is further away in north GA than in Brooklyn and if your're an essential worker you're driving further to work as well.
I was born and raised in GA for 28 years and after I moved away, I realized just how much some of the country likes to stereotype the south and how that wasn't my experience growing up there at all for the most part. A lot of that stuff is just to be red team/blue team partisan political writing to get more clicks and sell more ads.
Are there instances of people being reckless there? Sure but I don't think it's more than most of the country according to me friends, family, and coworkers still there.
I am in heathcare, a biomedical technician, now working in and out of places with patients displaying symptoms and those who have tested positive. What can i do? Bail on patients and coworkers? I have friends in both catagories. I am at least a medium risk (former smoker, almost 50, no exercise really) but get up every morning for them, regardless of how it may work out for me. My life is mine to give, and if i go helping people I'm ok with it. I will regret leaving my family behind but I'm pretty sure every cop, service member, firefighter etc has been saying the same thing since they signed up. Rambling, sorry, it's easier to tell yall than anybody else, just commenting on the "one life vs many thing. I know i would at least like 3 or 4 days to reset
crankwalk said:
Brett_Murphy (Forum Supporter) said:
I saw a map that showed "Where people are still traveling more than two miles from home." The entire Northeast was white (nobody traveling) and the Southeast was pretty red (lots of travel). They were basing this on mobile phones moving around.
I didn't like it, because:
1. Many places in the South are more than two miles away from a grocery store or place of work, and people need to eat and work.
2. Many places in the North are exactly the same, and the map showed zero travel. I know for a fact that members of my family up there have to go almost a mile and a half down a mountain to get to a main ROAD, much less a store of any kind.
My point is, a lot of the media being put out might be inexact, or, in a worse case, intentionally misleading to push an agenda.
The narrative is to make all of the South appear to be red states who do what they want and to paint them as evangelical obese ignorant hillbillies who will make everything worse for the rest of the country. I agree with you that the store is further away in north GA than in Brooklyn and if your're an essential worker you're driving further to work as well.
I was born and raised in GA for 28 years and after I moved away, I realized just how much some of the country likes to stereotype the south and how that wasn't my experience growing up there at all for the most part. A lot of that stuff is just to be red team/blue team partisan political writing to get more clicks and sell more ads.
Are there instances of people being reckless there? Sure but I don't think it's more than most of the country according to me friends, family, and coworkers still there.
Meanwhile in Detroit it seems like no one is paying attention to the stay at home order so they’re getting ready to start hitting people with $1k fine or 6 months and the city is dismantling basketball hoops and stuff in parks in hopes it will stop people congregating. And Michigan continues to be one of the hardest hit states in the country, 3rd or 4th I think.
But yes let’s blame “The South”
All that to say, news media bias is annoying and social media makes it worse.
I’m glad this thread exists because we get to see different viewpoints and experiences from people of different situations and parts of the country.
I'm ow getting a temporary $2 per hour over my base pay, through April. We did get a $300 one time bonus and $25 one time grocery gift card. I guess this counts as hazard pay.
We will get paid sick leave, but only if we have been specifically told by a medical professional to stay home, and that's only for 2 weeks. If we need to stay home longer we have to use our personal time or take it unpaid.
dculberson (Forum Supporter) said:
Toyman01 (Forum Supporter) said:
Do you not believe that some things are more important than individual lives? I can't even imagine that. My kids are more important than my life. If your death could save 10 lives, would it not be worth it? How about 100, or 1000? If your death could save 100 families from suffering, is that a good trade? If your death could keep liberty alive, would you do it? I certainly would. Without a thought.
We aren't talking about saving our kids lives, we're talking about protecting overleveraged and poorly managed businesses from bankruptcy. And I'm sorry, but if you can't handle a couple months with no income then you've been skating too close to the line. Alfa is talking about saving lives. The CDC worst case estimates if we didn't do what we're doing was 600,000 to 1,700,000 dead. Preventing that is worth some financial hardships.
I will just point out there are a large amount of people that don't want to be skating near the line that are. Many through circumstances they had little chance to avoid.
I would guess those that will talk the less financial hit are those that already make a decent salary and can work from home just as easily as from the office (i.e people that can "handle a couple of months with no income"). I am all for saving lives, but sympathy for those that are getting financially clobbered is in order.
In reply to alfadriver (Forum Supporter) :
From a few pages back: I do not get hazard pay. I "get" to come to work. If that keeps SWMBO and my unborn boy alive and healthy at my expense, so be it. My situation could be much worse.
In reply to dculberson (Forum Supporter) :
Now hold on just a damn minute, i can go to autocross and never get within 10 feet of another person!
*trying to make a joke about racing being essential
Appleseed said:
In reply to alfadriver (Forum Supporter) :
From a few pages back: I do not get hazard pay. I "get" to come to work. If that keeps SWMBO and my unborn boy alive and healthy at my expense, so be it. My situation could be much worse.
Me too.
I worked 71.5 hours last week. No such thing as hazard pay and I'm salaried, so I don't get paid for any hours worked over 40.
I'm thankful I have a job, and glad to do it for my family and my co-workers.
There are quite a few with pretty much no bias: https://www.adfontesmedia.com/?v=402f03a963ba
STM317
UltraDork
4/6/20 7:15 p.m.
alfadriver (Forum Supporter) said:
STM317 said:
alfadriver (Forum Supporter) said: I'm not willing to die so that some shareholders and owners can make a bunch of money. I'd even have a tough time if it were my friend who I work for asked me to work and risk my life so that they can survive.
Aren't all of the "essential" employees being asked to make this exact choice, while so may people that can stay home, do? Isn't that the exact choice being made daily by millions of people right now? Normally first responders all do this, and have a pretty good idea of the potential risks but now grocery workers, gas station clerks, tradespeople, truckers, etc are all being asked to take risks that they didn't sign up for and jeopardize their individual safety and the safety of their families while they continue to work so that others can stay safe at home.
I certainly hope they are getting hazard pay. Most jobs that are really dangerous have pay that compensates.
Also, most of us who are not working are not doing essential work- and that's who is being discussed anyway.
Finally, it's one thing to ask someone to risk their life, it's another to tell someone to- especially when the only goal is to make money.
I have a job that's closely aligned with yours. My employer has been deemed essential (and therefore so have I) but my specific job is hardly essential in a time like this. I do R&D testing for future products. I cannot work from home. My options are to take unpaid time off, use vacation (trying to save for when it gets bad in a few weeks in my state) or I can work in a building with 100 other people from all over the region and try to keep my distance.
All hourly employees at my company have just gotten a 10% pay CUT (salaried employees were more like 20%) and no bargained annual raises, in exchange for theoretically working equivalent number of fewer hours to try and reduce exposure. This will last through Q2 at a minimum, and potentially through Q3 as well. Not sure how working just 10% fewer hours per week is going to reduce my odds of getting this, but oookaaayy. Company emails say this is being done specifically to save money, and to position the company for a stronger recovery when this is all done. There's zero reason why doing future R&D development is essential in the current environment other than money. My company isn't manufacturing anything right now, and those workers are about to be furloughed. It's very well understood at this point, that the only reason I'm being expected (the company might say given the opportunity) to work is so that the company can chase future profits.
This isn't meant to be a pity party, and I guess having a job beats filing for unemployment, but I want to point out that hazard pay is a pipe dream for many as companies tighten their belts to get through this. And being deemed "essential" doesn't necessarily mean a person is actually "essential" to fighting this virus or supporting the bare minimum to keep society functioning.
Guess it's coming to this:
CHARLESTON, W.Va. (AP) — A West Virginia judge in the county with the state’s highest coronavirus caseload has approved strapping ankle monitors to people who test positive but refuse to quarantine, officials said Monday.
The order allows Kanawha County sheriffs to use the GPS bracelets after a county commissioner said “a few” people with the virus ignored isolation orders.
“We do not want to use the GPS ankle bracelets to enforce the quarantines, however, if we must we will. This must be taken seriously,” said Kent Carper, president of the Kanawha County Commission.
The ruling comes after judges in Kentucky put ankle monitors on at least three people who have flouted quarantine orders after testing positive.
https://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2020/04/06/west-virginia-judge-allows-ankle-monitors-for-virus-scofflaws/?fbclid=IwAR1CAh77g6BteFt_0-Yq1rrsTiMgKIrYHCPGmv5chWw82kUEgRwRnNTLbT4
Sucks a lot of ya'll aren't getting pay increases. And really sucks for those that aren't getting any pay at all. My company is giving us 20% bump on normal wages PLUS on OT. And 14 days paid sick in case..
Wife and kids are starting to feel real strain of being at home, Mainly my wife. Sadly since I'm still going to work my day to day life is the same routine. Trying me best to reverse the shoes.
Im taking precautionary steps to avoid contact, but much easier said then done. I still have to trade off paperwork, get payments from customers, and some procedures that makes it hard to distance my self from another person.
Sadly I see a lot of people that don't give a E36 M3. I was in a "fall mart" today and heard one employee telling 3 other employees how they've felt symtons for days while they were all in close group...
We were told by the owner of the company to expect business to go on as usual. No hazard pay, no additional bennies, just keep the food going out the door...
So, I work. It's frustrating, because my kids (all 6) are at home, and my wife is in charge of that entire mess, and I'm working 60-70 hrs a week to keep the plant running and can't really help her out.
Was hoping for an early shut down of steam plant now that campus is deserted except for University Police and five boiler operators. Overnight temperatures have always been a deciding factor in shut down, and it's been a very mild spring so far.
USACE was on campus last week reviewing our indoor arenas and long since vacant dorms as possible medical housing and treatment sites.
I get the gut feeling that we're in for the usual duration... if not longer.
I just wanna shut down the boilers, mothball 'em till later and stay the berkeley home for a while already.
No hazard pay and not that it matters but I'm burning the berkeley out on this gig. Hands are raw and bleeding from washing hands every twenny minutes. There will be a congratulating email from administration to 'essential employees' for stepping up. GTMFO.
61.5 y/o seriously considering early retirement now.
First, it is slightly cheaper; and secondly it has the words DON'T PANIC inscribed in large friendly letters on it's cover.
Everyone that can be with their families and see their home daily should be grateful for that. There are many that cannot.
This too shall pass.
I can tell the stay at home orders etc is getting to people.
How? Because we are arguing here, pretty much the most adult and even temoered of forums that's ever existed
Also, I live in the North. I live 24 miles from the nearest grocery store.
Many many people were out today, waaaayyyyy more than I've seen. Most complaining that they've been indoors too long and corona is nothing.
I blame Daryl Wheeler
ProDarwin said:
There are quite a few with pretty much no bias: https://www.adfontesmedia.com/?v=402f03a963ba
If you really believe all that I have some ocean front property in Arizona to sell you.
I ride my bicycle, regularly. Like for the past decades regularly.
My area went into "stay at home" a few weeks ago. Every nonessential business closed. At that point the exercise traffic picked up. Bikers, joggers, walkers, etc. People walking through my neighborhood that I assume live here, but I have never seen before.
Sunday the weather was nice. I have never seen so many people outside getting exercise in all my days in this area. It wasn't a little bit more. It was a 20 fold increase. Bikes that have not been out of the garage in 10 years. People jogging in their 1980's gear. Families on walks. In some neighborhoods avoiding people (6 feet) was hard. I felt like there was an organized walk/bike/jog/run going on. It was ri...di...cu...lous!
The upside of COVID-19. Hopefully people weren't sharing anything other than smiles.
mtn
MegaDork
4/6/20 10:39 p.m.
drainoil said:
ProDarwin said:
There are quite a few with pretty much no bias: https://www.adfontesmedia.com/?v=402f03a963ba
If you really believe all that I have some ocean front property in Arizona to sell you.
Seems pretty accurate to me, based on my perception...