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  • turboswede

    Oct. 3, 2011 12:41 p.m. turboswede SuperDork

    http://www.oregonlive.com/news/index.ssf/2011/10/rider_says_trimet_bus_driver_b.html

    TriMet is investigating allegations that a bus driver bounced a mother and her baby from a No. 57 bus in Hillsboro on Thursday night because the baby was crying too much, a move that one rider says prompted all of the passengers to get off.

    Jennifer Chapman of Forest Grove, who has a 21-month-old of her own, said she was on the bus about 8 p.m. Thursday when the female bus driver got on the loudspeaker and told the woman she needed to make the baby stop crying.

    The driver suggested the mother give the baby "some keys or something," Chapman said, and added: "I can't drive with that noise."

    Chapman, 31, was riding to her home in Forest Grove from Portland State University, where she is studying for her master's in early childhood special education. She said the baby girl was not crying loudly, and the other passengers began murmuring to one another, disturbed by the bus driver's reaction.

    The mother was "nursing her, rocking her, singing to her, shushing her," Chapman said. "The mom wasn't sitting there indifferent."

    The driver stopped the bus west of the Hillsboro Transit Center and walked to the back, leaning over to talk to the mother, Chapman said. The mother and her baby then got off the bus, and Chapman followed her. Chapman said she encouraged the woman, who spoke little English, to get back on the bus, but the woman declined.

    Chapman said she walked back to the bus door and told the driver that "you can't just kick a woman off the bus because her baby's crying."

    "The driver said, 'If you don't like it, you can get off the bus,'" Chapman said.

    She and several other passengers did. Then the bus pulled up several feet and stopped again. "Every single person got off the bus, and it was a full bus, with just two empty seats," Chapman said.

    Chapman said she emailed a complaint to TriMet that night.

    "I don't care if the baby was screaming her head off, which she wasn't, you don't drop a woman off in the dark with her baby," Chapman said.

    Passengers called out the number of the bus, Chapman said, encouraging one another to file complaints with TriMet.

    TriMet spokeswoman Mary Fetsch confirmed Sunday that a complaint was filed and that the incident is under investigation. TriMet officials will meet with the bus driver this week, she said.

    "Obviously, this is something we take quite seriously," Fetsch said.

    Fetsch said she wouldn't know until today whether multiple complaints were filed or if the bus had a video camera that recorded the incident.

    Drivers can take appropriate steps if they believe safety is in jeopardy, she said, "though I can't say if that happened in this case."

    Chapman said the woman told her outside the bus that her baby was just tired. The mother said she was going to get picked up by her husband, Chapman said, then disappeared around a corner.

    "I just really connected with this woman," Chapman said. "I've ridden a bus with my baby, and that could happen to me."

    -- Scott Learn

    Transcript:

    http://rantingsofatrimetbusdriver.blogspot.com/2011/10/what-really-happened-with-b...

    What really happened with the baby incident. I reviewed the dispatch call on this incident. It appears to me that this driver just had reached her limit and "broke" which is something that happens periodically around here. This is a very hard job and the public has no sympathy at all for what we really have to put up with.

    The driver did wrong in the incident, she should have never removed the mother and baby from the bus but when you "break" well, bus drivers are people too.

    The following is the transcription of the call between the bus driver and dispatcher. The actual recording will not be released by me or anybody that I know at this time:

    Dispatch: Hey * what’s up?

    Driver: I have four or five of them calling me a bitch, I had a screaming child on my bus she has been screaming since I left Beaverton, I tried to calm her down and she called her husband and she got off so you know what, I am parked.

    Dispatch: OK, so, you have your doors open?

    Driver: what was that?

    Dispatch: do you have your doors open?

    Driver: ya I do

    Dispatch: So the person with the kid that was crying, did they get kicked off the bus and that is why people were yelling at you or what?

    Driver: Well we tried to calm her down and (unintelligible) and I came up and asked her if she had anything that she could play with to distract her and she didn’t so I went into my (unintelligible) and the mom calmed her down and she got off back here on , what’s it called, what’s the name of the street back here, where you catch MAX , she got off there and then they started calling me F’ing bitch and all this stuff so I said you guys can get off too.

    Dispatch: OK, do we know why, what they are upset about?

    Driver: Ya they just thought I should just keep driving with this child screaming and I said I can’t drive with a child screaming we need to calm her down, she has been screaming ever since Beaverton

    Dispatch: OK, how small of a kid are we talking about?

    Driver: she was only about 2, she was upset she had a stomach ache or something I couldn’t get her at all to quiet down or anything, so mom just called her dad.

    Dispatch: OK umm, alright, we are sending people to you errrr ahhhh, (pause)

    Driver: fine

    Dispatch: so the problem people are off the bus?

    Driver: sure are, there are a load of people from the corrections center which is where I am sitting

    Dispatch: OK if they are off the bus go ahead and close the doors and continue. In the future if there is a baby crying on your bus there really isn’t a whole lot you can do, its public transit, they, we can’t really enforce kids being quiet on the bus.

    Driver: it wasn’t just crying, it was screaming all the way from Beaverton and I just finally stopped the bus and said we need to get the baby to stop screaming because I just can’t drive with it screaming because (unintelligible) but that is not safe

    Dispatch: What I am telling you is that’s not something we can enforce, if somebody’s kid is crying, you still have to drive the bus.

    Driver: I drove the bus all the way from Beaverton to Hillsboro and it gets to where it’s not safe to see, I’m a mother that kind of screaming bothers me.

    Dispatch: OK we are not connecting here so I’ll let you talk to your manager about this because this isn’t something that we can enforce.

    Driver: Do you know how often this happens? Very rare like once a year or once every two years.

    Dispatch: alright

  • Datsun1500

    Oct. 3, 2011 3:21 p.m. Datsun1500 SuperDork

    I love the people saying it was not crying, or it was crying a little. I hope there is video with sound. Want to bet it was screaming as loud as it could for a long time?

  • carguy123

    Oct. 3, 2011 3:25 p.m. carguy123 SuperDork

    How often I'd have loved to do the same thing.

  • wbjones

    Oct. 3, 2011 4:08 p.m. wbjones SuperDork

    time for Wally to chime in ...

  • DoctorBlade

    Oct. 3, 2011 4:15 p.m. DoctorBlade Dork

    Overzealous bus driver. If you want peace and quiet while driving, get back in your car.

  • Oct. 3, 2011 4:21 p.m. mndsm SuperDork

    Seems rather circumstancial. The kid was obviously loud enough that the driver could hear it. Buses ain't quiet. And if the kid was 2, that kid would be LOUD. I can get the drivers POV. Additionally, it sounds like the clientele that she was serving wasn't of the best variety, there's generally a reason you're taking a bus from a corrections center. Do I think it was right? No... but do I think that it's blown entirely out of proportion? Absolutely. I've seen the way people treat bus drivers, and it's apalling to say the least.

  • Toyman01

    Oct. 3, 2011 4:25 p.m. Toyman01 SuperDork

    I don't drive with screaming kids either. Then again I'm not a bus driver.

  • ransom

    Oct. 3, 2011 4:38 p.m. ransom HalfDork

    mndsm wrote:

    Additionally, it sounds like the clientele that she was serving wasn't of the best variety, there's generally a reason you're taking a bus from a corrections center.

    I believe the bus had just arrived at the corrections center, coming from one location and heading to another. The fact that the driver had the meltdown at the corrections center appears to be coincidental.

  • Oct. 3, 2011 4:47 p.m. mndsm SuperDork

    ransom wrote:

    mndsm wrote:

    Additionally, it sounds like the clientele that she was serving wasn't of the best variety, there's generally a reason you're taking a bus from a corrections center.

    I believe the bus had just arrived at the corrections center, coming from one location and heading to another. The fact that the driver had the meltdown at the corrections center appears to be coincidental.

    You're probably right. Odd coincidence.

  • Wally

    Oct. 5, 2011 6:23 a.m. Wally SuperDork

    If you hire enough people you will end up with a few of these. I have about 5 that I see regularly. The are constantly having customer issues or minor mech issues that cause them to go out of service. Most of you that work in large companies have them too. They are the ones that never get anything done because of some problem and they wander around sharing their story looking for you to agree with them. Some of you are probably stuck doing their work right now.

    The reason nothing can be done is this sentance right here. Driver: ... I just can’t drive with it screaming because (unintelligible) but that is not safe

    She is on the bus, and once she decides it's unsafe to continue I can't tell her to keep going. When she has an accident down the line, and odds are she will, I will own part of it for putting her in an "unsafe" situation.

    Luckily here the buses run pretty often so I can usually just put the woman with the baby on the next bus, and keep everything moving.

  • mad_machine

    Oct. 5, 2011 8:55 a.m. mad_machine SuperDork

    According to my parents.. when we came back from spain, ( was two) we found ourselves in NJ with my father stationed at Lakehurst NAS. Our car, his opel, came over by boat into Virginia

    We went down on a greyhound from NJ to VA to pick it up.. and I screamed the entire way.

  • Wally

    Oct. 5, 2011 10:03 a.m. Wally SuperDork

    I was usually able to ignore crying kids, usually a passenger would have a problem first. On day this lady had a kid wailing away and she just kept talking on her phone. Another passenger offered to take the kid, stuff her phone into it's pie hole and beat her with it. Usually the only people that I really had problems with were drunks who wanted to stand too close to me, and one crazy woman who almost hit me with a used tampon.

 
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