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Underage drinking is illegal, period.

They're minors, "rights" don't come into play here. Once you're old enough to make stupid decisions on your own it's different. At their ages, their parents are still supposed to be responsible for them.

All this is doing is simply teaching them that there are consequences to their actions.

And no, I didn't do any underage drinking believe it or not. I lived in fear of my old man. I drink now when I chose to and I also am responsible for whatever the results are.

My parents had real-world punishments for the stupid E36 M3 that I did pull (none of these sit-down and we'll talks about it "I'd really like it if you didn't do it again" sessions).

I love driving, if I was drinking or doing drugs, my punishment was "no car any more", guess what? I never lost my car.

The "off the clock" argument sets precident. Would you want a guy who looks at kiddy porn working at a daycare?

He's off the clock, his privacy should be respected, right? Regardless of whether a law is being broken?

People need to take responsibility for their actions and parents need to grow up and stop being their kids friends and start being their mom and dad.

Shawn

andrave wrote:

Thats my main concern. A school shouldn't have any say in what a student does off school grounds.

Schools should stick to school time and school property and let the police and the parents worry about the rest.

Two points:
1. They're children. Getting taller and mouthier by the minute, but still children. The job of school and parents is to prepare them for every possible misstep once they are turned loose on society. Toward this goal increasing levels of responsibility are applied at intervals. Screw it up and you deal with the consequences. I understand the point about being falsely accused but 99 times out of 100 the truth comes out. Do you know any 17 year olds that don't brag or confide in their friends, differing circles of friends, eventually someone knows exactly what happened.

1. Just because you're old enough to have sex doesn't mean you're qualified to be a parent, as I've cited in the example above. Another incident came up a few weeks ago where a 40 something mother was keg standing (not very well BTW) at a party for her son in her house, she bought the keg and by the way she's on the school board.
   

Again, I see your point that the school should be involved in your life only during school hours, but I disagree. Not every parent is nuturing and supportive. The guy that smokes a joint for lunch at work is an adult, his call. School, it's training, extracurricular activities, discipline and demands are a big part of a kid's day. They need to learn how to side step or tread their way around social and academic pit falls; they'll fail but hopeflly learn. Parents can only do so much, schooling and its socializing can only do so much, but it's a team effort.

Dan

Edit: What happened to the alignment?

“The children now love luxury; they have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place of exercise. Children are now tyrants, not the servants of their households. They no longer rise when elders enter the room. They contradict their parents, chatter before company, gobble up dainties at the table, cross their legs, and tyrannize their teachers.

Kid's today.....it's because their parents are products of the 80s . I was always careful of who I partied with in high school and where simple because I knew being part of the football team I was representing not only the school the community. It's all about being one step ahead of the people out to get you

The only two times I got in trouble with my football coach/school for an off-campus event: 1) Doing donuts at a local sports restaurant after a big game and 2) Went to a Taco Bell and drop a nickel on a platform in one of those water donation thingys. Asked for my free cina-twists and the kid at the register shook it and said he didn't see anything. I then proceeded to take my burrito out of it's paper wrap and slung it strait at the kids face.

DirtyBird222 said:

I then proceeded to take my burrito out of it's paper wrap and slung it strait at the kids face.

FTW!

Trans_Maro wrote:

The "off the clock" argument sets precident. Would you want a guy who looks at kiddy porn working at a daycare?

Xceler8x wrote: If he touches kids at the daycare he is a bad daycare employee. Therefore he will be fired for being a bad employee.

Again, self-correcting problem.

Good luck with that one. A day care employee who has kiddie porn on his home computer has now demonstrated an inclination which could affect children in his care. Not a good scenario. Therefore, he should be removed immediately from close contact with kids.

He's off the clock, his privacy should be respected, right? Regardless of whether a law is being broken?

In the above day care worker/kiddie porn scenario, any ham and egger lawyer fresh out of law school could make the case stick. Kiddie porn is different from, say, a traffic ticket which would not necessarily affect his relationship with kids.

Down here not long ago, there was a construction worker who committed a rape after working hours; it appeared he had 'cased' his victim while on the job. Of course he lost his job.

So yes there are precedents for dismissing employees for infractions off of company property and after work hours.

I have done underage waivers (motorcycle racing) many times; it requires the signature of a parent or guardian and yes such a waiver is every bit as binding as one for an adult. These kids and their parents had to sign a waiver before the little beasts could even suit up for scrimmage. That means these kids knew that underage drinking was a punishable offense. They chose to do it (that's what I meant by playing an adult game) and got caught. Play an adult game, accept adult punishment.

914Driver wrote:

1. They're children. Getting taller and mouthier by the minute, but still children. The job of school and parents is to prepare them for every possible misstep once they are turned loose on society.