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aircooled
aircooled MegaDork
10/19/17 3:44 p.m.

So far, the only ones I know that are on PS4 (not sure if you can go cross PS3/PS4 with friend requests) are Dean (PSN name:  Dean1484) who does not yet have Sport and Spool  (PSN name:  Spoolpigeon ) who does have Sport, but don't expect to win any races against him (he has some super fancy trophy that his mom made him that says he some sort of AutoX national champion cheeky).  Argo and Brad have PS4's but have not gone to the full version of Sport (and may not).

As you can see, a bit of a developing situation.

P.S. I did watch a demo of the game and the livery editor looks like it will be fun to mess with.  Sticker uploads (which could theoretically be almost any graphic) are supposed to come soon.  I just wonder how long until I see an online car with a bunch of penises or swear words on it (I suspect there already are).

Trackmouse
Trackmouse SuperDork
10/19/17 4:33 p.m.

In reply to aircooled :

No dick pics as of yet, believe me I checked. LOL

Spoolpigeon
Spoolpigeon PowerDork
10/19/17 4:33 p.m.

In reply to aircooled :

LouisvilleZ06 wasted no time in creating a dong livery as soon as he downloaded the demo. 

Trackmouse
Trackmouse SuperDork
10/19/17 5:50 p.m.
Argo1
Argo1 SuperDork
10/19/17 6:29 p.m.

I do have full versions of both GTS and PC2.  I'm still pissed that I lost all my credits, cars, and experience credits when the full version of GTS downloaded.  As far as realism in racing, tuning, pit stops, damage, AI racing, there isn't any comparison.  PC2 is a big step forward.  GTS is GT6.  But to Air's point, realism doesn't necessarily mean better racing.   So far though, I am inclined to believe that PC2 has far more to offer.   Though PC2 doesn't have a livery editor or "boost" and other similar gimmicks.  On the other hand, you don't have to grind to "unlock" anything in PC2.

aircooled
aircooled MegaDork
10/19/17 7:32 p.m.

I did notice in one of the reviews that they simplified the car modification/improvement aspect by simply having two settings for "tune up" and "weight reduction".  Apparently they feel players can't understand the concepts of different intakes, exhaust etc.  I am not sure if you can effectively handicap cars with that though.

Argo1
Argo1 SuperDork
10/19/17 8:12 p.m.

Yeah, there is a lot of bitching about the changes to tuning.  First off, if you want to add power or reduce weight you have to buy it with mileage points.  No points, no change and it's just in two big steps not a bunch of options.  You also can't go down on power or up on weight.  That means everyone else has to change to handicap Spool, er, I mean a fast car.  Other things can be adjusted without cost.  The overall PP rating is dead.  Replaced with 5 sliding graphs that rate Max Speed, Acceleration, Braking, Cornering, and Stability on a 1-10 scale.  Gone will be PP based series.  Gearing is more customizable in GTS as you can change each gear infinitely.  In PC2 you can only change gears to cog sets that are actually available for that car. (There's that detail realism thing again).   You can change fuel mappings in PC2 and that "might" be a way to handicap but it looks like handicapping in any consistent way would be limited to tire compounds in both GTS and PC2.  The Race Director Nazi can get pretty annoying in PC2.  Place a tire wrong anywhere and your lap, and the next one, get voided.  Make a rough pass or pass with 4 wheels off and you will be told to give the position back.  Ignore it and you get a drive through penalty. (A lot of these things are turned on or off in the options area).  The personal spotter is handy for traffic as well as time gaps.  Visibility out of some of these cars is not great from the cockpit - and any other view IMO is cheating.

dean1484
dean1484 MegaDork
10/19/17 9:26 p.m.

I am getting less and less excited about both these games the more you describe them.  The pp system going away and making you have to drive to get points to make a car better is dumb. That is a huge no go for me. 

 

No pp system is going to result is one make racing and that is boring. The All race car lineup is also boring. I really like being able to drive different things that are more like the cars we mear mortals actually drive.  

 

Lastly I really don’t like aero based cars.  I vastly prefer tuning mechanical grip and driving mechanical grip based cars.  If you want aero go fly / race a plain. Personal preference I know and I am probably not mainstream with respect to this.  

 

I get get a huge kick out of racing older lower powered cars.  Argo the CSC series you championed a while ago was one of the best!!!   Air and I have been racing pre 1972 cars and we have had some great fun with a wide verity of cars that are all very evenly matched.  I started racing before r comp tires and good brake pads and it is fun to in part Re visit that.  It looks like that will All go away with both the new games. 

aircooled
aircooled MegaDork
10/19/17 9:37 p.m.

GT Sport has some street cars, but they are all newer cars.  PC2 has some old cars but they are all race cars, some of which don't have aero.  It looks like one of the expansion packs for PC2 are classics.

One advantage PC2 might have is that since the cars in general are a lot harder to drive you will not be able to drive the cars at %100 like you can in GT so slight differences in peak performance may not be as obvious.

There HAS to be some sort of HC in at least GTS I would think.  Otherwise there will be a fasted car in each class, and that will be figured out pretty quick and that is ALL anyone will drive!

This is actually already a problem with GTS (hey, it's been what, 2 days!).  Apparently one of the races has been changed to a spec Honda Si race because the BMW M3 was dominating in the race.  I wonder how they will keep the M3 from dominating other races in that class?  I am suspicious they will start "cheating" the cars to make the equal... not so much sim at that point:

T Sport’s N300 Sport Mode Race Becomes One-Make Civic Type R Event

Argo1
Argo1 SuperDork
10/19/17 10:03 p.m.

Dean, some of those assumptions aren't correct about PC2.  Start with this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pg8SDulA7jc

This is GRM's interview with the developers of PC2.  Pay attention when they talk about BOP in series cars like GT3.  Go to the Project Cars home page and look through the initial car list.  There are lower powered street cars and some older cars like BMW 2002 and Escorts, etc.  Brad and I ran a Group A series and it was a hoot.  Lower powered, older, and not aero dependent.  Really only the prototypes and upper formula cars have major aero impact.   The cars are gouped by series.  The first PC added cars every month.  Focus on the amazing track list instead. (Which sucks in GTS, even when all unlocked)  We all have our likes and dislikes.  I like race cars and hate fantasy tracks.  There is lots of potential for real life one type series like GT3 cup, Ferrari Challenge, Lambos, etc.  There are some really awesome vintage cars which are a handful and drive like vintage cars - you will love it.  It's worth 80 bucks to try it out.  Just don't expect to drive well right out of the box.  Not going to happen.

 

As for GTS, well,  I am less and less impressed.  The livery editor is fun!

Argo1
Argo1 SuperDork
10/19/17 10:28 p.m.

What we need is for Spool to chime in on PC2.  Are you driving PC2 yet Spool?

Spoolpigeon
Spoolpigeon PowerDork
10/20/17 8:06 a.m.
Argo1 said:

What we need is for Spool to chime in on PC2.  Are you driving PC2 yet Spool?

Picking it up this weekend. 

 

I did play GTS for a couple hours last night. I found that using countersteer assist helps with the lack of changing wheel settings. I hate using Driver aids, but I can at least catch slides with that on turned on. Something I also like is that all of the campaign challenges show all of your friends times, so it’s like the seasonals on GT6. Another cool perk is being able to change TCS and brake bias on the fly. 

 

Then there are are a list of things I don’t like: 

no more PP numbers. That will make league races tough. There is a BOP setting when you change settings on the car, but I’ve yet to mess with that. 

No more individual parts buying

lack of track choices, both real and classic GT tracks

only 5 wheel choices, and you can’t even use them all or sometimes not at all

lack of car choices in general. I do like that the cars are in better detail, but I already miss some of the oddball cars. 

dean1484
dean1484 MegaDork
10/20/17 11:42 a.m.

I will just leave this here

 

The most expensive gran turismo sport bundle

BradLTL
BradLTL SuperDork
10/20/17 2:31 p.m.

It’s not aiming to simulate real-world racing, a la PCARS2: the large number of fantasy cars and tracks makes that clear. As ever, Gran Turismo marches to the beat of its own drum.

I can’t in good conscience say GT Sport‘s physics are better than Project CARS 2. It runs Slightly Mad’s title close, but it’s also operating in a much smaller window than that game does. 

https://www.gtplanet.net/gran-turismo-sport-playstation-4-review/

I kinda feel like they wanted it to be a better review.  They kept giving them credit for changing, but not mentioning that the change kinda ruined the game and put them well behind the other competitors.

aircooled
aircooled MegaDork
10/20/17 3:29 p.m.

I have to say, it is pretty strange that the last two releases of GT have taken a LONG time to develop and both have removed a number of things from the game.

I does have a great photo mode though.  Very important for a driving game apparently... not like they could have spent their time somewhere else...

BradLTL
BradLTL SuperDork
10/20/17 7:18 p.m.

In reply to aircooled :

Another quote from the GTPlanet review...

On the other hand, it’s a peerless photography simulator

Argo1
Argo1 SuperDork
10/20/17 8:55 p.m.

I will be waiting anxiously by my computer for Spools GTS vs PC2 comparison.  Well, maybe not exactly waiting...  I could be watching the 2017 Challenge broadcast or I could be watching the US GP or I could be doing the last bit I need to do in the garage in order re-home the Jag.  At any rate, I don't think Spool will have any issue getting up to competitive speed in PC2 pretty quickly.

Fair warning Spool:  The UI menus can be a bit frustrating in PC2 until you figure out the method to their madness, or is it the madness to their method?  Not sure.  Once you get used to it, it's fine. Bugs in setup saving haven't been patched yet.

Trackmouse
Trackmouse SuperDork
10/21/17 2:45 p.m.

I think the biggest let down for me is the lack of actual racetracks. I have ALWAYS used laguna seca as my test track for any car. And I can rate my skills with a car using that track. A lot of people use sims to prep for track days. Guess that’s gone for GTs

Argo1
Argo1 SuperDork
10/21/17 6:07 p.m.
Trackmouse said:

I think the biggest let down for me is the lack of actual racetracks. I have ALWAYS used laguna seca as my test track for any car. And I can rate my skills with a car using that track. A lot of people use sims to prep for track days. Guess that’s gone for GTs

Fortunately, not gone in PC2.  Large list of accurately rendered real tracks, including Laguna Seca.

Spoolpigeon
Spoolpigeon PowerDork
10/21/17 7:12 p.m.

In reply to Argo1 :

It’ll be later this week before I get the chance to play PC2. I forgot about a soccer tournament this weekend and haven’t been home to play yet. 

aircooled
aircooled MegaDork
10/21/17 10:05 p.m.

To throw a slight curve ball: Asseto Corsa is now $19 at Walmat.  It appears to be more like PC2 then GT, is European car and track focused.  I don't know what online is like (or if it has it) but it does have some street cars in it, including the RUF Yellowbird.  If the price remains that low I might pick it up just for that alone.

I doubt it is a serious contender for a series on here, but might be worth a try at the price.

Asseto Corsa Car list

Assettocorsa Track list

Also interesting:  GTS is getting 2 stars on Amazon with over 100 reviews!  The fans are not amused.  PC2 is only at 2.5, but only has 5 reviews and one is complaining about using a controller.  I am suspicious GTS might be able to be picked up at a substantial discount used pretty soon.

Also sad for GTS:  24 of it's slim selection of cars are Vision cars!  You know, those fantasy cars you drive once, then never again... argh.

To add to the pile of money, as Argo was noting:  Bluetooth headsets / microphones will NOT work on PS4.  Traditional wired audio plug types (e.g. phone type) will work when plugged into the controller. So... I guess I will have to figure out something for a microphone (I normally do sound through the TV).  I have an actual hand held microphone I guess I could use:

Good luck getting that image out of your head when you hear me online...

edit:  apparently I could use my old crappy USB headset.  I could try and use my Bluetooth headset connected by the charging cord, but I doubt that will work even though it is a Sony headset.

Argo1
Argo1 SuperDork
10/22/17 12:38 a.m.

I will probably be on my way to WalMart tomorrow.  For that price?  Worth a look.  Car list is pretty good.  Track list is so-so but better than GTS.  Let's try it out since we are "in the market" for a new series game platform.  Explore all options.  See if it has a usable online.

Amazon has already discounted GTS to $59.62  There's no way to sugar coat it, the game's a turd.  I find the arrogance of them never listening to any of their customer's feedback amazing.

Air, there are any number of wired headsets with mic for under 20 bucks.

BradLTL
BradLTL SuperDork
10/22/17 7:54 a.m.

Bluetooth headphones work on the PS4. 

http://manuals.playstation.net/document/en/ps4/settings/bluetooth.html

I'm confused. 

Spoolpigeon
Spoolpigeon PowerDork
10/22/17 8:27 a.m.
BradLTL said:

Bluetooth headphones work on the PS4. 

http://manuals.playstation.net/document/en/ps4/settings/bluetooth.html

I'm confused. 

I paired my Bluetooth headset with the PS4, then it immediately tells me that Bluetooth audio devices aren’t supported. Awesome. Top of the line console can’t do simple Bluetooth. I’m starting to regret even buying a PS4. Apparently only the Sony brand headsets work, unless you tether yourself to the PlayStation via audio cable or usb cable.

dean1484
dean1484 MegaDork
10/22/17 8:56 a.m.

I just read the amazon reviews of GT and it is getting trashed very quickly. If the on line reviews are correct this is going to kill the GT series. About the only way can see it being saved is if they were to issue a GT7 that combined the improvements of GT 6 with the things they cut out of GT5. To make six. Then add in decent graphics.  

From what I was reading it does not look like you can make your own races you are dependent on there servers to start and control races.  There also appears not to be voice chat available in the game.  

Argo I was skeptical of you harsh criticism of the new gt game but if the reviews are accurate you were being very kind in your assessment.  

I think that Air is correct in that we are going to be seeing the new GT game on the preowned shelf very soon for penny’s on the dollar.  

If they close the GT6 servers any time soon they are in for a world of hurt.  

What all this means is I am probably going to end up with pc2. There is nothing good about GTS that I can see.  

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