And Today’s Best Selling Porsche Model Is?

Quick, name the top-selling model in the current Porsche lineup. Boxster? Cayman? Cayenne? 

How about the Macan?

Scroll down for the official release. And let us know your thoughts in the comments below. 

 

 

Press Release 26/07/2019
 
Growth at high level in the first six months

Half-year results: Porsche increases sales revenue by nine per cent

Stuttgart. In the first six months of 2019, Porsche AG once again increased its sales revenue, the operating result before special items, deliveries and the number of employees. The sales revenue grew by nine per cent to 13.4 billion euros compared with the prior-year period. The operating result before special items increased by three per cent to 2.2 billion euros; the return on sales before special items was 16.5 per cent. Deliveries grew by two per cent, with the company handing over 133,484 vehicles to customers by the end of June. The workforce increased by five per cent to 33,839 employees in the first half of 2019.

“Our half-year result is a solid basis for a successful business year 2019. One success factor behind this is our attractive product range,” explains Oliver Blume, Chairman of the Executive Board of Porsche AG. "In the first six months of this year, we have launched a range of innovative, emotive products onto the market with the new 911, the 911 Cabriolet, Cayenne Coupé, 911 Speedster, 935, 718 Spyder and GT4.”

“After a challenging first quarter in 2019, we are now fully on course,” says Lutz Meschke, Deputy Chairman and Member of the Executive Board for Finance and IT at Porsche. According to Meschke, the results growth was mainly due to higher volumes of vehicle sales. In contrast, currency effects and expenses relating to the e-mobility offensive had a negative impact.

Special items in the second quarter 2019
The diesel issue resulted in special items amounting to 0.5 billion euros in the second quarter. After special items, the operating result was therefore 1.7 billion euros. The return on sales after special items was 12.5 per cent.

In May 2019, the Stuttgart Public Prosecutor's Office comprehensively ended the administrative offence proceedings against Porsche AG in connection with deviations from regulatory requirements for certain Porsche vehicles through issue of a fine notice. The fine notice provides for a fine totalling 535 million euros, consisting of a penalty in the amount of four million euros for a negligent breach of duty in engine testing and a levy of economic benefits in the amount of 531 million euros. The levy amount is based largely on the profitability of the company. Reserves were already set aside in the first quarter of the year on Volkswagen Group level for the risk of possible payment obligations from the fine notice. Porsche AG included the financial effects from the notice in the second quarter.

Deliveries to customers: Largest increase for Cayenne
Porsche AG delivered 133,484 vehicles worldwide in the first half of 2019, representing a two per cent increase compared with the same period in the previous year. 41,725 Cayenne vehicles were delivered, marking the strongest model growth with a rise of 45 per cent. The new generation has been available in all markets since this year, while the Coupé version arrived in dealerships in May. The most-sold model worldwide remains the Macan, with 47,367 deliveries.

Porsche achieved 28 per cent growth in China up to the end of June. In Asia-Pacific, Africa and the Middle East, deliveries increased to 57,397 vehicles, with 20 per cent growth compared with the prior-year period. In the USA, Porsche was also able to consolidate its position in the first half of 2019, achieving three per cent growth with 30,257 deliveries.

Outlook for the overall year
Porsche expects deliveries to increase in the 2019 financial year, driven in part by new products such as the Cayenne Coupé, the 718 Spyder and 718 Cayman GT4. The Taycan, Porsche’s first all-electric sports car, will also arrive in dealerships at the end of the year. The company is also expecting a slight increase in terms of sales revenue. “Despite very high investment in electrification, digital transformation, and in the expansion and renovation of our company locations, we aim to continue to meet the high earnings target of Porsche,” says Meschke.


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Duke
Duke MegaDork
7/29/19 10:03 a.m.

I don't care what revenue they allegedly provide to specialty car makers.

The hell-spawned SUV / coupe crossover segment cannot die a quick enough death to satisfy me.

Massive SUV exterior size combined with seriously restricted interior space?  Check.

Sports sedan handling compromised by pointless ride height?  Check.

Cayenne Coupe, BMW  X6, Mercedes GLC, whatever else - I hate every single one of these vehicles, from every manufacturer.

 

1988RedT2
1988RedT2 UltimaDork
7/29/19 10:11 a.m.

No surprises there.  If I was shopping for a Porsche, it would be the Cayenne, but I'd wish it was a little larger.

Edit:  The market for toys will always be small.  Enthusiasts should embrace the fact that Porsche manufactures vehicles that real families can use as that enables them to continue to offer 2-seat sports cars for recreational use.  You can't have one without the other.

pinchvalve
pinchvalve MegaDork
7/29/19 10:11 a.m.

According to Porsche, Macan is Indonesian for Tiger.  

Flynlow
Flynlow HalfDork
7/29/19 10:20 a.m.

Do they combine sales numbers with the audi Q3? (snicker)

Im glad it allows sports car makers the revenue to keep their good cars alive, but i share Dukes sentiment about looking forward to the CUV segment's demise.  Based on wagons, then minivans, it should be about the time the next generation becomes parents and their predecessors tastes become "uncool".

aircooled
aircooled MegaDork
7/29/19 10:31 a.m.

I understand why they are doing it (as made obvious by the sales numbers), I just wish they had created some sort of related sub-group to badge the non-sports cars. 

Obviously, the appeal of their SUV's to many, is heavily influenced by the badge.

californiamilleghia
californiamilleghia HalfDork
7/29/19 10:41 a.m.

Many years ago I was at  the Porsche factory  and was taken to lunch by one of the department heads at the employee canteen , 

His big push was the SUVs as it gave Porsche a good income so they had money to develop the 911 and Race shop , 

Same as the Boxster  got the Porsche name  back out in the public with a  lower priced sports car.

I guess the same could be said with most of the car companies , without SUVs and Pick Ups where would they be ?

spacecadet
spacecadet Dork
7/29/19 10:49 a.m.
Duke said:

I don't care what revenue they allegedly provide to specialty car makers.

The hell-spawned SUV / coupe crossover segment cannot die a quick enough death to satisfy me.

Massive SUV exterior size combined with seriously restricted interior space?  Check.

Sports sedan handling compromised by pointless ride height?  Check.

Cayenne Coupe, BMW  X6, Mercedes GLC, whatever else - I hate every single one of these vehicles, from every manufacturer.

 

I think they're ugly and disgusting.. But they continue to have fantastic profitability and they continue to allow MFR's to build the stuff we love. 

Mazdeuce and I have had multiple conversations about this. 

For every cayenne and Macan and panamera they make with a stupid profit margin they can invest in a project with little or no ROI. 

 

 

spacecadet
spacecadet Dork
7/29/19 10:51 a.m.
californiamilleghia said:

His big push was the SUVs as it gave Porsche a good income so they had money to develop the 911 and Race shop , 

Same as the Boxster  got the Porsche name  back out in the public with a  lower priced sports car.

I guess the same could be said with most of the car companies , without SUVs and Pick Ups where would they be ?

Yep. 

yupididit
yupididit UltraDork
7/29/19 10:52 a.m.
Duke said:

I don't care what revenue they allegedly provide to specialty car makers.

The hell-spawned SUV / coupe crossover segment cannot die a quick enough death to satisfy me.

Massive SUV exterior size combined with seriously restricted interior space?  Check.

Sports sedan handling compromised by pointless ride height?  Check.

Cayenne Coupe, BMW  X6, Mercedes GLC, whatever else - I hate every single one of these vehicles, from every manufacturer.

 

 

Good thing there are those of us out there that rather drive the things you hate rather than a minivan or wagon. And you wont be forced to drive a CUV as there's money made from them for other types of vehicles to be produced and driven by you. So, we all win. Don't wish the quick demise of the financer of our cool things.  That's selfish sir! I want my Macan and 911 too! 

Cooter
Cooter SuperDork
7/29/19 11:00 a.m.

I just never understand why automotive "enthusiasts" love to hate vehicles that other people love.  

There are plenty of vehicles that don't appeal to me, but if it has wheels and is able to be driven, I usually can see the appeal in it.

mad_machine
mad_machine MegaDork
7/29/19 11:12 a.m.

this hate coming from the people who love the AMC Eagle

mazdeuce - Seth
mazdeuce - Seth Mod Squad
7/29/19 11:14 a.m.

People like these. Spend their money on them. Show them off to their friends. Porsche makes people happy. Not much to complain about. 

mtn
mtn MegaDork
7/29/19 11:23 a.m.

I like these, myself. I've got no problems with them on any level. I find it kinda funny that we recommend the CX-5 to no end; well, the Macan to me is basically a very upscale CX-5. In fact, friends of mine have been cross-shopping a new CX-5 and a used Macan. Go figure.

mr2s2000elise
mr2s2000elise HalfDork
7/29/19 11:26 a.m.

Macan, has replaced the C/3 series, as the local “Secretary” special lease model 

 

all secretary and sorority girls have them

 

nothing to complain about. More power to their buyers and its manufacturer.

Not my cup of tea - but variety is the spice of life. 

Duke
Duke MegaDork
7/29/19 11:39 a.m.
spacecadet said:
Duke said:

I don't care what revenue they allegedly provide to specialty car makers.

The hell-spawned SUV / coupe crossover segment cannot die a quick enough death to satisfy me.

For every cayenne and Macan and panamera they make with a stupid profit margin they can invest in a project with little or no ROI.

I get that.  I prefaced my statement with that.

Honey badger still don't care.

 

parker
parker Reader
7/29/19 11:40 a.m.

The roads are full of blobby things.  They have compromised handling, poor use of interior space, can't go off-road, can't tow.  I don't get the appeal.  Of course I also don't get why people drive giant diesel duallies from the apartment to the cubicle.  To each his/her own.

Cooter
Cooter SuperDork
7/29/19 11:43 a.m.

In reply to mad_machine :

Not here.

z31maniac
z31maniac MegaDork
7/29/19 12:00 p.m.
mr2s2000elise said:

Macan, has replaced the C/3 series, as the local “Secretary” special lease model 

 

all secretary and sorority girls have them

 

nothing to complain about. More power to their buyers and its manufacturer.

Not my cup of tea - but variety is the spice of life. 

Well paid secretaries!

 

I like the Macan. If I had the money, I'd be happy to have one in the garage for my girlfriend to drive. 

CyberEric
CyberEric HalfDork
7/29/19 12:01 p.m.

I’m not so sure the handling is compromised. I haven’t driven one but by most accounts, they are wicked fast on a track. 

I don’t really care that people like them, even if I think they’re silly. I don’t want one because of how compromised the interior space is.

Oh, and I can’t afford one, so no one cares what my misgivings are!

alfadriver
alfadriver MegaDork
7/29/19 12:06 p.m.
parker said:

The roads are full of blobby things.  They have compromised handling, poor use of interior space, can't go off-road, can't tow.  I don't get the appeal.  Of course I also don't get why people drive giant diesel duallies from the apartment to the cubicle.  To each his/her own.

I'd be willing to bet that one would not have to go too far back to find the 911 that is slower around the 'Ring than the Macan.  As for the towing, I doubt that P has put real effort into it's actual rating, but being considerably more powerful and better braked than most other SUV/CUVs, I'd pull 5k without even worrying about it.

I would not get one either, but if someone spends money so P can go racing in GTLM, go for it.

edit- a quick search says that a Macan did the 'ring in 8:15, which is apparently faster than a 993 version if a 911....  

 

Dusterbd13-michael
Dusterbd13-michael MegaDork
7/29/19 12:08 p.m.

I saw a slammed nissan juke the other day. Im pretty sure that suspension travel was measured in thousandths. But damn did it look good! Changed my opinion on CUV. Essentially theyre a lifted hatchback at this point. 

The Porsche is a lifted hatchback. Photoshop one slammed on fat rubber and i bet you'd dig it. I know i probably would. 

Uve had other cuv as rentals and they dont really suck. I dont have a need they fill, and i was cross shopping mazda cx stuff with a mazda6. Theyre that similar these days in my mind.

AnthonyGS
AnthonyGS Dork
7/29/19 12:10 p.m.

I’m all for it.  Porsche selling tons of SUVs puts money in the budget for these.....

Rest assured if I ever come into millions that’s what I will buy.

Appleseed
Appleseed MegaDork
7/29/19 12:16 p.m.

False. The best selling Porsche has Mattel on the chassis.

T.J.
T.J. MegaDork
7/29/19 12:22 p.m.

In reply to Duke :

Duke, I agree with your sentiments, but we cannot blame the OEMs. They produce what the people are willing to buy. The issue is that the general public for some reason has lost their minds and want/likes/prefers SUVs. The market dictates this mess. The only way they will stop making stupid SUVs without much utility, but also not so great at being sporty is if they stop making money on them.

Ransom
Ransom PowerDork
7/29/19 12:25 p.m.

I hate CUVs, and I blame them for my difficulty in finding a wagon, which is a quantifiably better answer to "reasonably-sized thing with cargo area in the back" for anybody who doesn't want to vertically Jenga their luggage, without even getting into the silliness of making a vehicle taller when it has no functional reason to be that way.

I'm glad they're paying to help Porsche go racing or what have you, and I hope the folks who buy them enjoy them, but I'm looking forward to their going out of fashion. Fingers crossed Volvo has an impact on the fashion-conscious with the sharp new wagons, but the fact you can get an S/CUV in similar design probably blunts that tack. An aspirational wagon can't be a bad thing for the future of motoring, though.

wearymicrobe
wearymicrobe UberDork
7/29/19 12:34 p.m.

I feel like very few people who complain about the Macan or Big Pepper have never actually driven on. The Macan especially in GTS guise is really really good at being a sports car that just happens to seat more then 2 people. 

I would guess that more then 90% of 911 never see the track as well on there first and second owners. At least the Macan is being used for what it was intended. 

penultimeta
penultimeta HalfDork
7/29/19 12:42 p.m.

I'm not going to beat a dead horse here, but I will say that I just don't get it. I can't see what appreciable difference a CUV has over a station wagon or large sedan other than being less useful. 

mr2s2000elise
mr2s2000elise HalfDork
7/29/19 12:44 p.m.
Dusterbd13-michael said:

Photoshop one slammed on fat rubber and i bet you'd dig it. I know i probably would. 

 

No need for photoshop 

 

Error404
Error404 New Reader
7/29/19 12:47 p.m.
penultimeta said:

I'm not going to beat a dead horse here, but I will say that I just don't get it. I can't see what appreciable difference a CUV has over a station wagon or large sedan other than being less useful. 

I see it as 3 types of people:

1- These people just don't care and it's what they got a deal on or was in the right color or whatever

2- Older people who like the seat height on their aftermarket hips and knees

3- Younger people who see them as "sporty" and "exciting" compared to soccer mom wagons or their grandparents big towncar/sedan

I'm generalising, of course. There's also the "larger is better" aspect in a throwaway society where we can afford to drive impractical vehicles to fit an image. Not to mention, they are a bit taller which probably impacts the way people perceive visibility out of them, limited as it is, or the amount of ridiculous tech that can be jammed into them.

 

Edit: I get profit margins and all that but I still think they're silly. I too am waiting for them to go out of style but I doubt that we will regress to wagons or 4-door hatches rather, I think we will stray even further from the path.

I've also seen an X5 Dinan going around Roebling and, while it was hauling ass, it just wasn't as exciting to watch as anything else out there. Not that it made it look easy, it made it look pedestrian like it was showing off how you can drive down the freeway at double the posted now to let everyone know that you're important.

alfadriver
alfadriver MegaDork
7/29/19 12:55 p.m.
penultimeta said:

I'm not going to beat a dead horse here, but I will say that I just don't get it. I can't see what appreciable difference a CUV has over a station wagon or large sedan other than being less useful. 

they are easier to live with.  Just being up 6in makes them easier to live with.

Again, I would MUCH rather drive my Miata, which is low and narrow, but having had either an Edge or Escape for more than a decade, its really not hard to see their appeal.  

And I don't ever see them going away- they are light years more popular than wagons ever were.  And they have surpassed the mini-van.  

So you guys should just get used to them.

TopNoodles
TopNoodles Reader
7/29/19 12:57 p.m.

Low budget motorsport is gonna be real interesting in 10-15 years when all these CUVs hit rock bottom depreciation and there's an oversupply of used and new parts.

If you painted the rear windows on a CUV it would look like a rally raid car.

That's my irrelevant opinion on automobiles I can't afford and wouldn't buy.

yupididit
yupididit UltraDork
7/29/19 1:05 p.m.
mr2s2000elise said:
Dusterbd13-michael said:

Photoshop one slammed on fat rubber and i bet you'd dig it. I know i probably would. 

 

No need for photoshop 

 

Yassss those are dope. Probably make people even more angry now that they're stanced out lol

_
_ HalfDork
7/29/19 1:19 p.m.

This is what happens when automotive manufacturers allow the people they sell to, to make the decisions. The average buyer is incompetent, Ill advised, and has priorities in all the wrong categories. 

“I’m a single marketing agent that lives in the suburbs, so naturally I need a vehicle that seats 6 and is equipped to traverse the arctic tundra.”

alfadriver
alfadriver MegaDork
7/29/19 2:08 p.m.
_ said:

This is what happens when automotive manufacturers allow the people they sell to, to make the decisions. The average buyer is incompetent, Ill advised, and has priorities in all the wrong categories. 

“I’m a single marketing agent that lives in the suburbs, so naturally I need a vehicle that seats 6 and is equipped to traverse the arctic tundra.”

FWIW, it's SO much easier to get a consumer to give you money when you let them decide what they want.  Profit sharing check for the win!

z31maniac
z31maniac MegaDork
7/29/19 2:27 p.m.
_ said:

This is what happens when automotive manufacturers allow the people they sell to, to make the decisions. The average buyer is incompetent, Ill advised, and has priorities in all the wrong categories. 

“I’m a single marketing agent that lives in the suburbs, so naturally I need a vehicle that seats 6 and is equipped to traverse the arctic tundra.”

Right. Companies shouldn't sell their popular items that make them money. 

I will make sure to inform the people in charge at work tomorrow. 

1988RedT2
1988RedT2 UltimaDork
7/29/19 3:13 p.m.

Oh yes, Comrade!  Think how much better off we'd all be if we let big corporations sell us only what they deem appropriate for our situation.  They could assess our needs and tell us what to buy, when to buy, and how much to spend.  Wouldn't that be great?

nderwater
nderwater UltimaDork
7/29/19 3:14 p.m.

For the past decade and a half, Porsche has been a truck company that also happens to sell some noteworthy sports cars.  Thanks VW!

NickD
NickD PowerDork
7/29/19 3:22 p.m.

As soon as I read the headline I thought "It's going to be Macan or Cayenne." I wasn't wrong.

Flynlow
Flynlow HalfDork
7/29/19 3:28 p.m.
alfadriver said:

they are easier to live with.  Just being up 6in makes them easier to live with.

Again, I would MUCH rather drive my Miata, which is low and narrow, but having had either an Edge or Escape for more than a decade, its really not hard to see their appeal.  

And I don't ever see them going away- they are light years more popular than wagons ever were.  And they have surpassed the mini-van.  

So you guys should just get used to them.

I'm happy SUVs sell well and make lots of money for the manufacturer, as I said in my previous post.  That money keeps the fun cars like the 911 focused on being awesome cars.

What I don't like, and the folks naysaying here miss, is that its not just complaining about what other people buy.  Its that the stuff i want to buy is going away.  

Picking on ford for a moment, both since they killed their US car base and because alfa can speak to it, they're a classic example.  I have no problem with others wanting to buy an SUV.  I have a big problem with Ford dumping the US Focus ST because its not AS PROFITABLE (still makes money) as the Edge ST.  Why not continue to offer both?  I'm sure theres some fresh MBA grad with all the answers in their middle management that showed profit forecasts if you convert those lost focus buyers to SUVs, but plenty of people that want a $22k hot hatch DON'T want a $35k SUV.   So they go buy a GTI instead of remaining in the ford family.  

docwyte
docwyte UltraDork
7/29/19 3:57 p.m.

I read a really good article that part of the reason we don't get wagons here is the CAFE mileage standards.  These small crossovers count as "trucks" and not passenger cars.  So rather than send us a wagon like the RS4 avant or RS3 hatchback, Audi sends us the Q3 because then they can dodge the higher mpg that the wagon would impose on them.

alfadriver
alfadriver MegaDork
7/29/19 3:58 p.m.

In reply to Flynlow :

That's a different argument.  And one i'm not terribly happy about.

Appleseed
Appleseed MegaDork
7/29/19 4:14 p.m.
1988RedT2 said:

Oh yes, Comrade!  Think how much better off we'd all be if we let big corporations sell us only what they deem appropriate for our situation.  They could assess our needs and tell us what to buy, when to buy, and how much to spend.  Wouldn't that be great?

Wait...Apple makes a car?

z31maniac
z31maniac MegaDork
7/29/19 4:31 p.m.
Flynlow said:
alfadriver said:

they are easier to live with.  Just being up 6in makes them easier to live with.

Again, I would MUCH rather drive my Miata, which is low and narrow, but having had either an Edge or Escape for more than a decade, its really not hard to see their appeal.  

And I don't ever see them going away- they are light years more popular than wagons ever were.  And they have surpassed the mini-van.  

So you guys should just get used to them.

I'm happy SUVs sell well and make lots of money for the manufacturer, as I said in my previous post.  That money keeps the fun cars like the 911 focused on being awesome cars.

What I don't like, and the folks naysaying here miss, is that its not just complaining about what other people buy.  Its that the stuff i want to buy is going away.  

Picking on ford for a moment, both since they killed their US car base and because alfa can speak to it, they're a classic example.  I have no problem with others wanting to buy an SUV.  I have a big problem with Ford dumping the US Focus ST because its not AS PROFITABLE (still makes money) as the Edge ST.  Why not continue to offer both?  I'm sure theres some fresh MBA grad with all the answers in their middle management that showed profit forecasts if you convert those lost focus buyers to SUVs, but plenty of people that want a $22k hot hatch DON'T want a $35k SUV.   So they go buy a GTI instead of remaining in the ford family.  

This sounds like the classic GRM argument. 

"Why don't they still sell X?"
"Did you buy the car when it was available?"
"No, I want to buy one used after the depreciation hit."
 

1988RedT2
1988RedT2 UltimaDork
7/29/19 4:39 p.m.
docwyte said:

I read a really good article that part of the reason we don't get wagons here is the CAFE mileage standards.  These small crossovers count as "trucks" and not passenger cars.  So rather than send us a wagon like the RS4 avant or RS3 hatchback, Audi sends us the Q3 because then they can dodge the higher mpg that the wagon would impose on them.

This brings up an interesting point.  Did anyone in government ever think it might be a good idea to impose some sort of reasonable fuel mileage standard on EVERY VEHICLE in a manufacturer's lineup?

To what extent is the demise of the sedan tied to the CAFE standards?

Is there ANY government standard for the fuel economy of light trucks and so-called "SUV's?"

Flynlow
Flynlow HalfDork
7/29/19 5:13 p.m.

In reply to z31maniac :

It was an attempt at opening a dialogue on "why not sell both the porker SUV AND the hot hatch? They both make money, and there's not a huge overlap in the buyers of these segments, lets keep everybody happy even if one outsells the other".

But thank you for your input.  

z31maniac
z31maniac MegaDork
7/29/19 5:16 p.m.
Flynlow said:

In reply to z31maniac :

It was an attempt at opening a dialogue on "why not sell both the porker SUV AND the hot hatch? They both make money, and there's not a huge overlap in the buyers of these segments, lets keep everybody happy even if one outsells the other".

But thank you for your input.  

I'm just saying if the company felt it was worthwhile, they would continue to sell both. It's not being dismissive or mean, it's just facts, unfortunately. 

alfadriver
alfadriver MegaDork
7/29/19 5:22 p.m.
1988RedT2 said:
docwyte said:

I read a really good article that part of the reason we don't get wagons here is the CAFE mileage standards.  These small crossovers count as "trucks" and not passenger cars.  So rather than send us a wagon like the RS4 avant or RS3 hatchback, Audi sends us the Q3 because then they can dodge the higher mpg that the wagon would impose on them.

This brings up an interesting point.  Did anyone in government ever think it might be a good idea to impose some sort of reasonable fuel mileage standard on EVERY VEHICLE in a manufacturer's lineup?

To what extent is the demise of the sedan tied to the CAFE standards?

Is there ANY government standard for the fuel economy of light trucks and so-called "SUV's?"

The standards actually apply to each individual model.  So now, there is no such thing as a loss leader to make up for another vehicle.

There are some concessions to trucks, but not nearly what they used to be.  And its very much not as if SUV and CUVs have been given away- as they do bring the most profit per vehicle.   So given the profitability of trucks and SUV's, this change is totally consumer driven.

Flynlow
Flynlow HalfDork
7/29/19 5:23 p.m.

In reply to z31maniac :

My household (not me) bought 2 fiesta st's new, and the focus rs order was cancelled when the dealer offered a <1000 mile car to get off the waitlist sooner.    

My next car is going to be new.  It would have been a focus st or gti.  I am kind of hoping honda offers the SI in a hatch in the next model year or two.  I want the better seats and lsd.  

Is that a better answer?

Javelin
Javelin MegaDork
7/29/19 5:59 p.m.
z31maniac said:
Flynlow said:

In reply to z31maniac :

It was an attempt at opening a dialogue on "why not sell both the porker SUV AND the hot hatch? They both make money, and there's not a huge overlap in the buyers of these segments, lets keep everybody happy even if one outsells the other".

But thank you for your input.  

I'm just saying if the company felt it was worthwhile, they would continue to sell both. It's not being dismissive or mean, it's just facts, unfortunately. 

Judging by Ford's sales data, income, and stock price versus the manufacturers that continue to offer cars as well points a pretty vividly clear picture that Ford is wrong on this one, and badly. 

Cooter
Cooter SuperDork
7/29/19 6:20 p.m.

I'm just upset that all of these newfangled computerized auto-mo-biles have cut into the availability of brand new hand crank started, body-on-frame flivvers with fold-down windshields and wooden artillery wheels.   It truly hope this fad will die soon. 

 

dean1484
dean1484 MegaDork
7/29/19 6:42 p.m.

I hate to admit this but I test drove a 2009 Porsche Cayenne S with the 4.2 as a DD replacement for me. I really liked it.

T.J.
T.J. MegaDork
7/29/19 7:02 p.m.
Appleseed said:
1988RedT2 said:

Oh yes, Comrade!  Think how much better off we'd all be if we let big corporations sell us only what they deem appropriate for our situation.  They could assess our needs and tell us what to buy, when to buy, and how much to spend.  Wouldn't that be great?

Wait...Apple makes a car?

Yes, but they are called Tesla. 

yupididit
yupididit UltraDork
7/29/19 7:03 p.m.
dean1484 said:

I hate to admit this but I test drove a 2009 Porsche Cayenne S with the 4.2 as a DD replacement for me. I really liked it.

 

You know it's perfectly okay to like it. They're awesome vehicles. 

_
_ HalfDork
7/29/19 7:26 p.m.

I guess it won’t be a problem when all of the sports cars dry up and go away. Because, let’s face it, if everyone is driving a CUV then you just have to have the fastest cute utility vehicle to stay secure with your manhood. And that will solve all of mankind’s problems. Kinda like when everybody in the late 70s early 80s had to drive those awful E36 M3 box malaise era vehicles. It’s not ugly if everyone’s ugly

Cotton
Cotton PowerDork
7/29/19 7:41 p.m.
_ said:

I guess it won’t be a problem when all of the sports cars dry up and go away. Because, let’s face it, if everyone is driving a CUV then you just have to have the fastest cute utility vehicle. And that will solve all of mankind’s problems. Kinda like when everybody in the late 70s early 80s had to drive those awful E36 M3 box malaise era vehicles. It’s not ugly if everyone’s ugly

Lol man chill out and grab a beer or three,  then go browse some old car magazines from the 70s and 80s to remind yourself not everyone drove boring cars.   Just like today,  lots of amazing options for an enthusiast,  regardless of the popularity of SUVs and maybe even because of it.

_
_ HalfDork
7/29/19 7:42 p.m.

In reply to Cotton :

This conversation wasn’t for the here and now. These debates come up because we are concerned our children will lose an entire heritage of automobile racing

yupididit
yupididit UltraDork
7/29/19 7:53 p.m.
_ said:

In reply to Cotton :

This conversation wasn’t for the here and now. These debates come up because we are concerned our children will lose an entire heritage of automobile racing

 

That's certainly not the lost heritage I'm concerned with in regards to my child. 

Tyler H
Tyler H UberDork
7/29/19 8:41 p.m.
mazdeuce - Seth said:

People like these. Spend their money on them. Show them off to their friends. Porsche makes people happy. Not much to complain about. 

mtn said:

I like these, myself. I've got no problems with them on any level. I find it kinda funny that we recommend the CX-5 to no end; well, the Macan to me is basically a very upscale CX-5. In fact, friends of mine have been cross-shopping a new CX-5 and a used Macan. Go figure.

 

This.  I have picked out every car my wife has owned since high school.  The only one she loved was her CX-5.  Then we had a (distant) third kid and it was replaced with a Sienna.  My oldest is taking the new Sienna to high school in 2 years and I told the Mrs to go buy a car she WANTS for a change.  It's probably going to be a CUV-type-thing either way...there are worse options than a Macan.  It's not a MINI.

I've been casually pointing them out on the road for a few months. 

Duke
Duke MegaDork
7/29/19 8:47 p.m.
dean1484 said:

I hate to admit this but I test drove a 2009 Porsche Cayenne S with the 4.2 as a DD replacement for me. I really liked it.

Although they’re not my cup of tea, real SUVs have a valid place. What I’m specifically ranting about are the raised floor, squashed roof, 4-door slashbacks. They combine the worst elements of all the genres while somehow failing to find any of the advantages. 

yupididit
yupididit UltraDork
7/29/19 9:06 p.m.

In reply to Duke :

It's just what people like. It doesn't deserve this much energy from you, there's worse things to have negative feelings towards in this world. Let it go, Elsa. laugh

dean1484
dean1484 MegaDork
7/29/19 9:42 p.m.

I did not want to like it. I mean it is not a 911. It looks kind of like a guppy that ate a egg. 

But it goes like stink. Handlers better than it has a right to.  You can fit a bunch of people in it with there stuff or go have a bit of fun on a twisty road.  The interior is nicely appointed. Seats are great. Adults fit in the back.  

I did not want to like it but I found that I really like it. 

yupididit
yupididit UltraDork
7/29/19 9:43 p.m.

In reply to dean1484 :

Now get it! devil

cdeforrest
cdeforrest Reader
7/29/19 10:44 p.m.

I don't hate the Macan. They're going to be super cheap soon after the suburban wives upgrade and they're not portly as the Cayenne. (The Macan not the wives..)

dean1484
dean1484 MegaDork
7/29/19 10:57 p.m.
yupididit said:

In reply to dean1484 :

Now get it! devil

Took it for a test drive while waiting to take a s550 4matic I was there to test drive. I have to tell you it is going to be a tough choice.

AnthonyGS
AnthonyGS Dork
7/29/19 10:59 p.m.
_ said:

In reply to Cotton :

This conversation wasn’t for the here and now. These debates come up because we are concerned our children will lose an entire heritage of automobile racing

But they have drone racing......

Duke
Duke MegaDork
7/30/19 6:16 a.m.
yupididit said:

In reply to Duke :

It's just what people like. It doesn't deserve this much energy from you, there's worse things to have negative feelings towards in this world. Let it go, Elsa. laugh

Well, 'reality' TV with lots of morons and fabricated drama is also "just what people like."  And that has driven lots of watchable content off the air in favor of high profitability and pandering to the lowest common denominator.

It's just a matter of time until the automobile manufacturers decide that they're tired of losing / making less money on cars and will only make these things with their higher profit margins.  Witness the fact that you can now get these things in a smooth continuum of 7 or 8 marginally different model sizes, when 3 sizes used to be perfectly adequate.  Witness Ford.

A future made up of Dancing With The Real Bachelorettes of Orange County and trendy "Used to be high enough to see over traffic except now everybody is this tall and the windows are too small to see anything anyway" SportCrossoverCoupeSedans is worth wasting energy being upset about.

 

yupididit
yupididit UltraDork
7/30/19 6:23 a.m.

In reply to Duke :

Don't watch tv.

But, I see that this really gets to you. It isn't worth the energy to have such feelings towards inanimate objects that are just appliances at the end of the day. 

*gives you a hug*

Duke
Duke MegaDork
7/30/19 6:49 a.m.

In reply to yupididit :

Telling me not to watch TV is a valid suggestion. I’m still allowed to miss the good programming that used to be on, but I enjoy other forms of entertainment and I’d get over it.

Telling me not to drive a vehicle is a little harder to swallow. 

 

NickD
NickD PowerDork
7/30/19 7:03 a.m.

Wow, this thread has gone exactly the direction I figured it would.

alfadriver
alfadriver MegaDork
7/30/19 7:09 a.m.
Duke said:
dean1484 said:

I hate to admit this but I test drove a 2009 Porsche Cayenne S with the 4.2 as a DD replacement for me. I really liked it.

Although they’re not my cup of tea, real SUVs have a valid place. What I’m specifically ranting about are the raised floor, squashed roof, 4-door slashbacks. They combine the worst elements of all the genres while somehow failing to find any of the advantages. 

Just because you don't see what makes CUV's easier to live with does not mean that they don't exist.  Moreso that you still seem to think that the handling and performance of CUV's is so compromised that they are horrible cars.  The reality is that they are as good as most of the best cars 20 years ago, and given how roads and traffic has progressed over that same time, 90% of that performance improvement is not even possible to see in the best of the best cars.

CUV are easier to get in and out of, and easier to load than any sedan out there.  Yes, a wagon would be easier to load, with the low height, but they *can* be a pain to get stuff out of, thanks to the low height.

The improvements in driving for SUV and CUV means that to get the benefit of a larger interior space (even if it's a precieved reality) now has almost none of the trade offs of a crappy driving truck.

If you CHOOSE not to see that, that's totally fine.  But the reality is there, and the buying public is using the power of their brand new buying dollar to back that up.

It very much sucks for those of us who want small cars, no question about that at all.  I'm likely to be forced to buy a Toyota or Mazda someday, which is really, really sad.  But it is reality when you have the goal of maximizing profit and your share price.

yupididit
yupididit UltraDork
7/30/19 7:33 a.m.

In reply to Duke :

My bad I meant, "I don't watch tv". 

No one is telling you what to drive though. 

1988RedT2
1988RedT2 UltimaDork
7/30/19 7:57 a.m.

As I get older, I don't know which is harder--climbing up into my SUV, or risking death by falling down into the seat of the RX-7.  Why can't anybody build a car with the driver's seat at butt height? laugh

Ransom
Ransom PowerDork
7/30/19 8:52 a.m.

In reply to 1988RedT2 :

Hilariously, my '97 F-250 fits that description. I pretty much just step sideways to get in.

Not sure why trucks needed to get so much taller, but I'm sure the market has its reasons...

nderwater
nderwater UltimaDork
7/30/19 12:46 p.m.

Sports cars as a percentage of Porsche US sales for the past 20 years:

nderwater
nderwater UltimaDork
7/30/19 1:12 p.m.

Porsche US sales volume for the past 20 years:

...Overall sales continue to rise, but all the growth is from SUVs.  Sports car sales are off from where they were nearly two decades ago.

Duke
Duke MegaDork
7/30/19 2:11 p.m.
yupididit said:

In reply to Duke :

No one is telling you what to drive though. 

But they will be, when eventually no manufacturer makes nice cars anymore, just these overpriced, too-tall squashed bug things.

8valve
8valve Reader
7/30/19 6:14 p.m.

I want to see the breakdown of the 2010+ red part of the graph by model....

nderwater
nderwater UltimaDork
7/31/19 10:18 a.m.

In reply to 8valve :

  • In the 90's Porsche was selling about 5,500 cars per year, total, before the Boxster debuted in 1997. Porsche sells 10 times as many vehicles today.  
  • Boxster sales were strongest from 1998-2002 but have been low ever since, despite terrific improvements with each new generation.  
  • The Cayenne was the sales leader from its introduction until Porsche hiked up the price to differentiate it from the Macan, the current best seller.  
  • That hole in sales from 2008-2012 is a snapshot of the "great recession" -- compare that to the "dot com crash" dip in 2002.  
  • Porsche currently outsells Alfa Romeo, Fiat, Maserati, and Genesis combined; or almost as many vehicles as Mini and Jaguar combined.
mr2s2000elise
mr2s2000elise HalfDork
7/31/19 2:50 p.m.

Porsche has taken30,000 pre-orders for the new Taycan.

Porsche has already increased scheduled production output for the sedan to 40,000 units annually in preparation for the surge.

 Porsche currently sells about 35,000 911s per year.

yupididit
yupididit UltraDork
7/31/19 4:39 p.m.

In reply to nderwater :

Imagine all the people who wanted a Porsche but had 2 kids they needed to haul around. The cayenne solved that issue. Tapped into the family market. A lot easier to justify a P car when the whole family can ride! 

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