Big MX-5 News From Mazda Coming Tomorrow

Mazda is going to drop details on the upcoming MX-5 early tomorrow morning. The embargo will be lifted at 5:00 a.m. Eastern tomorrow—2:00 a.m. Pacific. Check back here at that time for the full scoop.

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Keith Tanner
Keith Tanner MegaDork
6/19/18 4:25 p.m.

Oooooo, I wonder what it could be? wink I'm really looking forward to this car.

dculberson
dculberson UltimaDork
6/19/18 4:28 p.m.

I'm calling it now: Body colored license plates!

yupididit
yupididit SuperDork
6/19/18 4:29 p.m.

Coupe

pres589
pres589 PowerDork
6/19/18 4:31 p.m.

They finally make a V8 of their own to cut out the middle-man? 

secretariata
secretariata SuperDork
6/19/18 4:34 p.m.

New palate of pastel colors for all the hairdressers. No other changes... devil

Keith Tanner
Keith Tanner MegaDork
6/19/18 4:35 p.m.

Let's just say we have one on order already....

wheelsmithy
wheelsmithy SuperDork
6/19/18 4:50 p.m.

HP bump is my guess.

Driven5
Driven5 SuperDork
6/19/18 4:50 p.m.

I am anticipating this to be simply official confirmation of 'unofficially' expected stuff like a retuned suspension, 181hp, 7500rpm, accompanying improved engine internals, 'low-interia' dumass flywheel, and a telescoping steering column. A second bolder and more interesting (non-white/silver/gray/black spectrum) color option would be nice too. I don't really have high hopes for any unexpected 'big news' beyond that though, as that is a substantial amount of good news already...Although, I am always open to being proven wrong too.

Robbie
Robbie PowerDork
6/19/18 4:50 p.m.

Let's synchronize our watches!

Stefan
Stefan MegaDork
6/19/18 4:52 p.m.

I'm guessing 181hp, 7500RPM redline, lighter weight dual mass flywheel, new color and interior options, among many other small changes?

Keith Tanner
Keith Tanner MegaDork
6/19/18 5:03 p.m.

New crank, new rods, new pistons, new cams, new valvesprings, new head casting, an oil cooler, a change in the transmission bellhousing, larger throttle body...you know, the little stuff.

Some of the changes being attributed to the 2019 are already in the 2018s but nobody noticed. For example, did you know that you can get an Eternal Blue 2018? Here's what it looks like with FM springs and bronze 6ULs. The rumored changes to the rear suspension are also a 2018 update.

Driven5
Driven5 SuperDork
6/19/18 5:07 p.m.

In reply to Keith Tanner :

All MY2018's, or changing over on the fly?

Keith Tanner
Keith Tanner MegaDork
6/19/18 5:08 p.m.

The suspension and steering? All 2018s as far as I know. They actually showed up on the 2017 RFs, the soft tops didn't get the update until 2018. It's amazing what you learn when you talk to the engineers instead of reading forums wink Mazda never really announced the changes, they didn't play up the dynamic changes that showed up with the RF but you can feel them pretty much immediately if you know the cars.

The engine did not change for 2018, though. That's all 2019.

Fueled by Caffeine
Fueled by Caffeine MegaDork
6/19/18 5:21 p.m.
Keith Tanner said:

New crank, new rods, new pistons, new cams, new valvesprings, new head casting, an oil cooler, a change in the transmission bellhousing, larger throttle body...you know, the little stuff.

Some of the changes being attributed to the 2019 are already in the 2018s but nobody noticed. For example, did you know that you can get an Eternal Blue 2018? Here's what it looks like with FM springs and bronze 6ULs. The rumored changes to the rear suspension are also a 2018 update.

Heeeellllooooo nurse.

thatsnowinnebago
thatsnowinnebago SuperDork
6/19/18 5:34 p.m.
Keith Tanner said:

New crank, new rods, new pistons, new cams, new valvesprings, new head casting, an oil cooler, a change in the transmission bellhousing, larger throttle body...you know, the little stuff.

Some of the changes being attributed to the 2019 are already in the 2018s but nobody noticed. For example, did you know that you can get an Eternal Blue 2018? Here's what it looks like with FM springs and bronze 6ULs. The rumored changes to the rear suspension are also a 2018 update.

Man, that's such a good color. Crazy how the miata went from "fine, I guess" to "WOW" with the ND.

Driven5
Driven5 SuperDork
6/19/18 5:38 p.m.

And yes, that image of Eternal Blue is much more blue (bold) and much less silver (bland) than it appears on the Mazda website...Making it far more interesting and exciting to look at.

Keith Tanner
Keith Tanner MegaDork
6/19/18 5:41 p.m.

That's a press photo from the UK, I don't know how processed it is. But it's a CX5 color, so you may have seen it already.

z31maniac
z31maniac MegaDork
6/19/18 5:49 p.m.
Keith Tanner said:

The suspension and steering? All 2018s as far as I know. They actually showed up on the 2017 RFs, the soft tops didn't get the update until 2018. It's amazing what you learn when you talk to the engineers instead of reading forums wink Mazda never really announced the changes, they didn't play up the dynamic changes that showed up with the RF but you can feel them pretty much immediately if you know the cars.

The engine did not change for 2018, though. That's all 2019.

Well very few people work for the most successful supplier of aftermarket parts and tuning options for the Miata.

So there's that. wink

yupididit
yupididit SuperDork
6/19/18 6:35 p.m.
Keith Tanner said:

 

 

I guess it's official. I am 100% getting a ND RF if this color is an option. Unless they have a purple coming. Especially a pastel purple or the one the new BMW's come in. 

MrChaos
MrChaos Dork
6/19/18 6:37 p.m.

have they fixed the transmission yet?

T.J.
T.J. MegaDork
6/19/18 6:47 p.m.

That RF in blue is really sweet looking.

Stefan
Stefan MegaDork
6/19/18 7:03 p.m.
MrChaos said:

have they fixed the transmission yet?

It wasn’t really an issue, just an overblown forum lore.  Some of the road racers had issues.

They did make a change to the internals after feedback from the folks racing them.  I believe that was a running change last year and current owners can have theirs replaced under warranty if they have issues.

codrus
codrus UltraDork
6/19/18 7:22 p.m.

I still want to see a yellow one, but that blue is definitely much more blue than the photos I've seen before.  The other ones basically look like silver with a hint of blue in them.

 

Keith Tanner
Keith Tanner MegaDork
6/19/18 7:32 p.m.
yupididit said:
Keith Tanner said:

 

 

I guess it's official. I am 100% getting a ND RF if this color is an option. Unless they have a purple coming. Especially a pastel purple or the one the new BMW's come in. 

That's a 2018. You can buy one now. Although I expect a price drop within 12 hours or so. 

Keith Tanner
Keith Tanner MegaDork
6/19/18 7:33 p.m.
MrChaos said:

have they fixed the transmission yet?

There is evidence of a bellhousing pattern change in the leaked 2019 pics, although some forums will not believe it's been fixed ever. 

MrChaos
MrChaos Dork
6/19/18 7:36 p.m.
Keith Tanner said:
yupididit said:
Keith Tanner said:

 

 

I guess it's official. I am 100% getting a ND RF if this color is an option. Unless they have a purple coming. Especially a pastel purple or the one the new BMW's come in. 

That's a 2018. You can buy one now. Although I expect a price drop within 12 hours or so. 

oh how you tease us so

MrChaos
MrChaos Dork
6/19/18 7:38 p.m.

the 2.5t from the mazda 6 sounds nice

Keith Tanner
Keith Tanner MegaDork
6/19/18 7:41 p.m.
MrChaos said:

the 2.5t from the mazda 6 sounds nice

I was basically dared by a Mazda person to get that in there. The 2.0 barely fits. 

RossD
RossD MegaDork
6/19/18 7:52 p.m.

I'll bite. 

A skyactiv-x with a hybrid motor similar to the fancy exotics.

buzzboy
buzzboy Reader
6/19/18 7:57 p.m.

MSM?

Fr3AkAzOiD
Fr3AkAzOiD Reader
6/19/18 7:59 p.m.
Keith Tanner said:

New crank, new rods, new pistons, new cams, new valvesprings, new head casting, an oil cooler, a change in the transmission bellhousing, larger throttle body...you know, the little stuff.

Some of the changes being attributed to the 2019 are already in the 2018s but nobody noticed. For example, did you know that you can get an Eternal Blue 2018? Here's what it looks like with FM springs and bronze 6ULs. The rumoo the rear suspension are also a 2018 update.

Love the look, but $40K (optioned up) for a Miata?

Thats Elise money!

Still want though...

 

mazdeuce - Seth
mazdeuce - Seth Mod Squad
6/19/18 8:28 p.m.

Please have a fixed roof. Please have a fixed roof. Please have a fixed roof. Please have a fixed roof. Pretty please? 

secretariata
secretariata SuperDork
6/19/18 8:38 p.m.

In reply to mazdeuce - Seth :

"No soup for you!" devil

captdownshift
captdownshift PowerDork
6/19/18 8:41 p.m.

Diesel 

Keith Tanner
Keith Tanner MegaDork
6/19/18 9:39 p.m.

I'm going to say that the top line package will be around $37k. Prices probably  won't be released for a couple of months.

How is that Elise money? You can't buy an Elise in this country! Unless you mean a used one that can be written off with a fender bump...The Miata is as cheap as it's ever been, but it used to be that you had to give up a radio and alloy wheels to get the current price level. 

And Seth, if you want a coupe you just have to pull one fuse. We've got a rollbar coming for the RF :)

Rons
Rons New Reader
6/19/18 9:56 p.m.
Keith

And Seth, if you want a coupe you just have to pull one fuse. We've got a rollbar coming for the RF :)

That way your Miata can look like aChevron B8 all the time.

Toebra
Toebra HalfDork
6/19/18 10:06 p.m.
buzzboy said:

MSM?

yeah baby, yeah and FINALLY a decent color, man alive those 6 UL wheels look sweet, I need to pick up a set of those

 

You have to get it in a box or drive to Colorado for MSM flavored one now.

 

Seems like you could make a metal top and weld it on, like they did on the 916.  It would be so much stiffer, and would probably not add that much weight, might even be lighter than an RF

 

Oooh, George is selling Peter Gregg's 916, think I can get a half a million for a kidney?

 

 

yupididit
yupididit SuperDork
6/19/18 10:11 p.m.
Keith Tanner said

 Unless you mean a used one that can be written off with a fender bump.

 

Lmao

kabel
kabel Dork
6/19/18 10:48 p.m.

I’ll be surprised if there are any surprises in the announcement beyond what we have already heard in the past few weeks. I love Mazda but they are notorious for big headlines with flat follow through.
Regardless the 2019 looks good and I'm considering the move to a new 2019 RF from my 2106 club.

Keith Tanner
Keith Tanner MegaDork
6/19/18 11:20 p.m.

None of the headlines so far have been from Mazda. Keep that in mind. 

I don't think there will be any surprises for those that follow rumors in the enthusiast press. But I don't think any of us are upset about the content of those rumors. 

mad_machine
mad_machine MegaDork
6/20/18 9:36 a.m.

well?!? don;t keep us in suspense

Ian F
Ian F MegaDork
6/20/18 9:45 a.m.

In reply to mad_machine :

Posted hours ago? wink

Driven5
Driven5 SuperDork
6/20/18 10:03 a.m.

Maybe I'm doing it wrong, but when I search for 'Mazda Eternal Blue' in Google Images, I see nothing that looks even remotely close to Kieth's pic.  They're mostly just a relatively mundane silvery-blue. I'm starting to think that photo might be the automotive equivalent of a Kim Kardashian cover shot. 

Kreb
Kreb UberDork
6/20/18 10:03 a.m.
Keith Tanner said:

I'm going to say that the top line package will be around $37k. Prices probably  won't be released for a couple of months.

I dunno, there's so many competitors with better convertibles for the money. Oh wait..... 

It doesn't seem unreasonable to me for one with all the goodies. A much better value than anything German. 

mazdeuce - Seth
mazdeuce - Seth Mod Squad
6/20/18 10:13 a.m.
Keith Tanner said:

And Seth, if you want a coupe you just have to pull one fuse. We've got a rollbar coming for the RF :)

That's not the same and you know it. cheeky

I am looking forward to seeing the RF roll bar though. Very intriguing. 

CyberEric
CyberEric HalfDork
6/20/18 10:30 a.m.

I hear they are doing away with those awful LED running lights. That alone is worth the wait! ;)

Seriously though, thank you Mazda for making an already compelling driver's car, and making it that much more so. 

Keith Tanner
Keith Tanner MegaDork
6/20/18 11:52 a.m.
Driven5 said:

Maybe I'm doing it wrong, but when I search for 'Mazda Eternal Blue' in Google Images, I see nothing that looks even remotely close to Kieth's pic.  They're mostly just a relatively mundane silver-blue. I'm starting to think that photo might be the automotive equivalent of a Kim Kardashian cover shot. 

Start watching for blue CX5s.

here's a cellphone shot sent to me.

Tyler H
Tyler H UltraDork
6/20/18 12:12 p.m.

yupididit
yupididit SuperDork
6/20/18 12:12 p.m.
Driven5 said:

Maybe I'm doing it wrong, but when I search for 'Mazda Eternal Blue' in Google Images, I see nothing that looks even remotely close to Kieth's pic.  They're mostly just a relatively mundane silver-blue. I'm starting to think that photo might be the automotive equivalent of a Kim Kardashian cover shot. 

 

You're finding pics of Blue Reflex. Google "eternal blue mica".

Driven5
Driven5 SuperDork
6/20/18 12:18 p.m.

In reply to yupididit :

Apparently not, as adding 'mica' to my search did not change the results.  They have more of a muted silvery blue look, similar to Keith's latest pic, rather than the bright vivid blue I see in his original image.

I would choose the red long before the color in Keith's second picture or any I've seen on Google Images, but would potentially go for the blue in Keith's first picture even over the red.

Tyler H
Tyler H UltraDork
6/20/18 12:25 p.m.
Driven5 said:

In reply to yupididit :

Apparently not, as adding 'mica' to my search did not substantially change the results.  They have more of a muted silvery blue look, similar to Keith's latest pic, rather than the bright vivid blue I see in his original image.

Mazda 3s....Beautiful color.  I blame variance on the proliferation of Instagram.  Images blatantly ripped off from Google image search.

 

 

 

Keith Tanner
Keith Tanner MegaDork
6/20/18 12:57 p.m.

It may be one of those colors that's sensitive to light. Really, Mazda's red is SO fantastic that anything else is a second choice but at least it's a legitimate color and not a slightly tinted grey.

The source of my original image was Mazda promo shots from the UK, I don't know what work was or was not done to it.

te72
te72 Reader
6/21/18 1:49 a.m.

So, we have Soul Red, and now Eternal Blue. Are we gonna get a Heavenly Purple soon? Please say yes.

 

Also, I know that a car is much more than the sum of its parts, and I'm sure the ND is incredible to drive compared to an NA/NB, but man... for that money (of a new just about anything, these days, but specifically an ND) and a few months of my spare time, I could LS3 swap one of the Miatas sitting in the garage, and refresh the chassis while I'm at it.

 

On the one hand, I'm driving a great car immediately. On the other hand, I have to imagine that the LS3 Miatas are fantastic and then some to drive if you have the skill to make it happen. I smell a bad idea brewing...

 

Anyway, Keith, what was the hangup with the 2.5T, in regards to size? Are they tall engines? Width wise, I can't see them being too much bigger than a 2.0, even with a turbo. Guess it would all depend on packaging, although the hood on the ND is really nice and low.

Keith Tanner
Keith Tanner MegaDork
6/21/18 7:37 a.m.

I’m facing the same math. Not necessarily with an LS3, but thinking of what I could do to my turbo NA with a big chunk of change to throw at it. Driving both cars, it’s not an easy choice - but the new ‘19 engine may tip the balance. The ND will always have more suspension travel, a better appointed interior, much better safety and the potential of an RF. 

The 2.0 is a tight fit in the ND. The 2.5T is taller, wider and longer. I don’t know exactly what dimension is the biggest problem, but taller and longer would both be a problem under that hood. Remember that Mazda is required to keep crush space between the engine and the sheet metal, which those of us who shoehorn big engines in don’t necessarily do. 

turtl631
turtl631 HalfDork
6/21/18 8:12 a.m.

As an aside, there are now rumors swirling that Mazda is going to make the 2.5 turbo optional in the CX-5. Finally!  We may be trading in our 2017 if this happens and I can convince my wife.

Kreb
Kreb UberDork
6/21/18 8:48 a.m.
turtl631 said:

As an aside, there are now rumors swirling that Mazda is going to make the 2.5 turbo optional in the CX-5. Finally!  We may be trading in our 2017 if this happens and I can convince my wife.

That would really be nice. It's hard to come by real power in that market segment since Toyota stopped making the V6 Rav-4s. 

turtl631
turtl631 HalfDork
6/21/18 8:49 a.m.

Indeed. Forester XT, but it's CVT and lost the sparkle of the old cars imo.

Keith Tanner
Keith Tanner MegaDork
6/21/18 5:57 p.m.

There is massive room for a turbo on top of the exhaust manifold of a CX5. I’m assuming it’s from the diesel plans. 

te72
te72 Reader
6/21/18 10:44 p.m.

In reply to Keith Tanner :

I at least have the benefit of not having driven an ND yet. I know it would be a bad idea for me. Can't want what you don't know, after all. They are very nicely put together, I will give you that, and the styling is quite nice.

 

I'm aware of the engine to hood clearance for pedestrian safety, but hadn't considered it when typing my post last night. Not a problem for us though... is the ND equipped with the crash-detecting exploding hood risers? Can't remember what car it was that I saw came up with those to get around that regulation, but looking at the ND, it would be a good idea!

 

That said, would there be any point in a 2.5T swap? Seems like an all low / mid range engine to me. Not sure that fits the character of a Miata, even if it would likely make it VERY quick. Kinda like the ND / Fiata argument, only exaggerated with a lot more torque.

Keith Tanner
Keith Tanner MegaDork
6/21/18 11:40 p.m.

I think the Euro NDs have explody hinges, but the US ones do not. The low ND hood is a particular point of pride for Mazda. 

I haven’t driven the 2.5T, so I don’t know its character. The original ND engine is a very torquey thing, loads of area under the curve which is why the cars perform better than their headline power number would suggest. It appears the new engine retains that low end but adds some sparkle up top. 

We’re having our annual track days at work, and the turbo NDs are making a lot of friends with our roster of drivers. They exaggerate the inherent nature of the 2.0, just loads of torque. So maybe a 2.5T wouldn’t be out of line if it would fit. 

Brett_Murphy
Brett_Murphy PowerDork
6/22/18 12:50 p.m.

In regards to  factory turbo models, wouldn't that hurt the fleet MPG rating for Mazda? They seemed very proud of that not long ago. They're giving the 6 a boost because it doesn't seem competitive on paper at all, so quite a few people probably never make it to the showroom based on that.

DeadSkunk
DeadSkunk PowerDork
6/22/18 3:37 p.m.
Keith Tanner said:

It may be one of those colors that's sensitive to light. Really, Mazda's red is SO fantastic that anything else is a second choice but at least it's a legitimate color and not a slightly tinted grey.

The source of my original image was Mazda promo shots from the UK, I don't know what work was or was not done to it.

Ya but, every other car in our owners group is the same berkleying red ! Some additional choices would be nice.

kb58
kb58 SuperDork
6/23/18 10:05 a.m.

I'm convinced that, somehow, GRM has become a shell business for Flyin' Miata!

Kreb
Kreb UberDork
6/23/18 11:49 a.m.
kb58 said:

I'm convinced that, somehow, GRM has become a shell business for Flyin' Miata!

You shouldn't have said that, Kurt. You might want to check the peephole before opening your door for a while. Just saying. 

Keith Tanner
Keith Tanner MegaDork
6/23/18 4:58 p.m.

Other vendors are welcome to take part in these discussions. Usually they just buy ads instead of being part of the GRM community, or join up to post a promotional post and then disappear. It's easier. But hey, everyone has their own way of supporting their business. I choose to be part of the GRM community because I like the people and it's interesting. I'd take part even if it wasn't part of work.

Ian F
Ian F MegaDork
6/23/18 5:01 p.m.

In reply to Keith Tanner :

Coincidentally (or maybe not), there's a banner ad for Goodwin Racing at the top of this page while I'm reading it.

mazdeuce - Seth
mazdeuce - Seth Mod Squad
6/24/18 12:31 p.m.

I've never owned a Miata. I don't even particularly like them. I've still called Keith at work to ask his opinion about Miata parts and have ordered them from FM because he's one of us and has earned my trust watching him work on non-Miatas. 

te72
te72 Reader
6/25/18 11:20 p.m.

In reply to Keith Tanner :

If I recall, the CX-9's power peak is at a fairly low rpm, something like 5000. However, it makes over 300 ft-lbs around 1900 or so. More like a diesel, as far as powerband goes. Might not be a bad thing, but I like my sports car engines to be, you know, sporty, quick revving, high revving, encourage you with the sound, to go just a bit faster... basically everything Miatas have been for all these years.

 

That said, the right set of cams might wake that 2.5T up nicely. Figure if it would top out around 7k, it would be a rather monstrous engine for the ND.

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