Full Details: Mazda MX-5 Miata ND2

It’s a common request for Mazda: More power for the Miata, please.

It’s one we have been hearing for nearly 30 years and, has tradition has shown, Mazda replies partway through each model generation. Well, it’s time for the ND-chassis MX-5 to get its bump. For the 2019 model year, horsepower goes from 155 to 181, a 17-percent improvement. Also improved: Redline has been increased from 6800 rpm to 7500.

The good news: We just drove a 2019 MX-5 Club equipped with Brembos and Recaros.

The bad news: Mazda has asked that all driving impressions be held until August 13 in order to keep things fair for all of their invited guests.

But, of course, there are things that we can still tell you.

Yes, you can rev the new engine to 7500 rpm.

According to Mazda’s charts and graphs, horsepower is up everywhere.

The gearing hasn’t been changed on the cars equipped with a manual gearbox–same ratios in the transmission and the rear end.

In second gear, the fuel cutoff occurs at 59 to 60 mph as indicated by our GPS receiver.

What helps the revised engine make more power? The throttle body is larger–Mazda says it’s 28 percent bigger, in fact.

The intake manifold also features shorter, fatter runners. The exhaust ports are now bigger. The exhaust header has received larger tubes. The new exhaust cam is more aggressive. The pistons have been lightened by 27 grams, while the connecting rods lost 41 grams. There’s a new lightweight, dual-mass flywheel as well–yes, dual-mass.

More updates: Lower piston domes help the tumble flow of the air-fuel mixture. The direct injection can deliver shorter pulses, meaning up to three pulses per combustion cycle–before that max was two. The crankshaft didn’t lose weight, but it’s now stiffer.

Another side benefit: fuel economy is up 1 mpg.

More answers to questions: The Club model continues, although it can now be had with leather-trimmer seats on the Brembo/BBS package.

Also new for 2019: standard tilt and telescoping steering wheel (it only adds half a pound to the total, we’re told) plus backup cameras across the model range.

The exhaust has been retuned to deliver a sportier exhaust note.

Also, also new: a GT-S Package that marries the GT’s fancy appointments with the Club’s Bilstein dampers and limited-slip differential.

According to Mazda’s figures, weight is up, with the curb weight for the stick-shift car going from 2332 pounds all the way to 2339 pounds.

How much? So far, Mazda has only announced pricing for the MX-5 RF. Starting MSRP: $32,345.

Once the embargo is lifted, we’ll tell you how this all behaves.

Update: Read our full review of the 2019 Mazda MX-5 Miata ND2 here.

Want to know how much power this car makes? Check out our 2019 Mazda MX-5 Miata ND2 dyno test here.

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NickD
NickD UberDork
8/2/18 8:36 a.m.

The ND1 was already a force to be reckoned with in C/Street and STR. Seems like, barring the improvements being better on paper than in practice, it is posed to really dominate those classes now.

sjd
sjd New Reader
8/2/18 9:06 a.m.

I hope so. I’m going to sell my STR prepped 2010 for a 2019. 

John Welsh
John Welsh Mod Squad
8/2/18 9:11 a.m.

I read somewhere of an exclusive hardwood interior package coming soon.  Any more word on that or just rumor?  

T.J.
T.J. MegaDork
8/2/18 9:18 a.m.

The more I hear about these, the more I like them. My goal is to not go to a Mazda dealer and drive one of these because if I did, I'm fairly sure I'd buy one and I don't need a new car right now.

albino09
albino09 New Reader
8/2/18 10:09 a.m.

These are the type of updates that are worth ponying up for. There's a lot of internal work for your money. Gah I wish one of these was in the cards...

mistanfo
mistanfo UltraDork
8/2/18 10:25 a.m.

Well, I will be done school in 2020. Hopefully I can grab one and use the college grad discount for a bit better price... I wonder if I can stack that on my Mazda Motorsports plan price. One can always hope...

KyAllroad (Jeremy)
KyAllroad (Jeremy) PowerDork
8/2/18 10:25 a.m.
NickD said:

The ND1 was already a force to be reckoned with in C/Street and STR. Seems like, barring the improvements being better on paper than in practice, it is posed to really dominate those classes now.

If it really is as much better as I suspect it is, it’ll either dominate CS/STR beyond any reasonable competition or SCCA will look at reclassing it.  The ND is already very, very good.  Good enough a buddy of mine with a nearly perfect STR NC is giving up and either going Hoosiers or selling the car at the end of this year.

NickD
NickD UberDork
8/2/18 10:32 a.m.
KyAllroad (Jeremy) said:
NickD said:

The ND1 was already a force to be reckoned with in C/Street and STR. Seems like, barring the improvements being better on paper than in practice, it is posed to really dominate those classes now.

If it really is as much better as I suspect it is, it’ll either dominate CS/STR beyond any reasonable competition or SCCA will look at reclassing it.  The ND is already very, very good.  Good enough a buddy of mine with a nearly perfect STR NC is giving up and either going Hoosiers or selling the car at the end of this year.

Yeah, SCCA will probably do some boneheaded move like move it to A/Street and not let it run in Street Touring

z31maniac
z31maniac MegaDork
8/2/18 10:42 a.m.

I have so much want for one of these. 

If we decide to keep two cars, I may just trade the "OMG I'm terrified of what it will cost if the DCT breaks" 135i, and get one of these.

Kreb
Kreb UberDork
8/2/18 11:17 a.m.

Niiiice! I wonder if Fiat will do anything to keep up?

Toebra
Toebra HalfDork
8/2/18 11:18 a.m.

Maybe B Street and STX?  Are the Toyobaru twins in CS or BS?  I know they are STX, so that would set up some Street Touring battles maybe.

KyAllroad (Jeremy)
KyAllroad (Jeremy) PowerDork
8/2/18 11:40 a.m.

In reply to Toebra :

The twins are in CS although there are some base models that actually go to DS.

NickD
NickD UberDork
8/2/18 12:02 p.m.
KyAllroad (Jeremy) said:

In reply to Toebra :

The twins are in CS although there are some base models that actually go to DS.

Yeah, off-topic, but what is the whole differentiation between the C/Street and D/Street twins?

captdownshift
captdownshift PowerDork
8/2/18 12:13 p.m.

An RF and a Colorado ZR2 Diesel is my current sub $100k 2 car dream garage. 

jstein77
jstein77 UltraDork
8/2/18 12:22 p.m.
mistanfo said:

Well, I will be done school in 2020...

As soon as you pass that English course.  ;)

 

poopshovel again
poopshovel again MegaDork
8/2/18 7:31 p.m.

I wonder if MAZZ-dah is gonna take these guys to the People’s Court.

https://youtu.be/LWcGJTd1fI4

yupididit
yupididit UltraDork
8/2/18 8:23 p.m.
captdownshift said:

An RF and a Colorado ZR2 Diesel is my current sub $100k 2 car dream garage. 

 

Is the Colorado 65k?

yupididit
yupididit UltraDork
8/2/18 8:24 p.m.

Also, berkeley I want an RF. 

ProDarwin
ProDarwin PowerDork
8/2/18 9:09 p.m.

7 pounds!?!??!  No thanks!  Elbows too pointy!

AnthonyGS
AnthonyGS New Reader
8/2/18 10:21 p.m.

For the next car purchase it’s going to be this or a 09-16 boxster s or GTS.......  

Vigo
Vigo UltimaDork
8/2/18 10:43 p.m.

Also, also new: a GT-S Package that marries the GT’s fancy appointments with the Club’s Bilstein dampers and limited-slip differential.

That sounds cool.

te72
te72 Reader
8/3/18 1:05 a.m.
T.J. said:

The more I hear about these, the more I like them. My goal is to not go to a Mazda dealer and drive one of these because if I did, I'm fairly sure I'd buy one and I don't need a new car right now.

The only saving grace for me the last time I was in a Mazda dealer was that their only ND in stock was an automatic. I'm sure it's still fantastic to drive, but I have no love or much use for torque converter autos these days. Makes me wonder how much longer it will be before DCT's will be the norm.

 

On your original sentiment, I'm in that exact same boat.

Feedyurhed
Feedyurhed SuperDork
8/3/18 5:02 a.m.
Kreb said:

Niiiice! I wonder if Fiat will do anything to keep up?

Well since Sergio passed away rumors are flying here in Detroit that Fiat and Alfa will be leaving the US market due to poor sales. He was their biggest supporter. 

NickD
NickD UberDork
8/3/18 5:18 a.m.
yupididit said:
captdownshift said:

An RF and a Colorado ZR2 Diesel is my current sub $100k 2 car dream garage. 

 

Is the Colorado 65k?

About $52k sticker price.

captdownshift
captdownshift PowerDork
8/3/18 7:12 a.m.

In reply to yupididit :

$48k ish when spec'ed how I'd like it. The combo comes in well below the $100k mark prior to taxes and tags, but there's nothing else new that I'd consider to displace either of them in a 2 car garage. 

z31maniac
z31maniac MegaDork
8/3/18 8:12 a.m.
te72 said:
T.J. said:

The more I hear about these, the more I like them. My goal is to not go to a Mazda dealer and drive one of these because if I did, I'm fairly sure I'd buy one and I don't need a new car right now.

The only saving grace for me the last time I was in a Mazda dealer was that their only ND in stock was an automatic. I'm sure it's still fantastic to drive, but I have no love or much use for torque converter autos these days. Makes me wonder how much longer it will be before DCT's will be the norm.

 

On your original sentiment, I'm in that exact same boat.

I doubt they will with advances in torque converter autos. Even BMW has gone back to regular autos in non-M cars. 

mtn
mtn MegaDork
8/3/18 8:19 a.m.
z31maniac said:
te72 said:
T.J. said:

The more I hear about these, the more I like them. My goal is to not go to a Mazda dealer and drive one of these because if I did, I'm fairly sure I'd buy one and I don't need a new car right now.

The only saving grace for me the last time I was in a Mazda dealer was that their only ND in stock was an automatic. I'm sure it's still fantastic to drive, but I have no love or much use for torque converter autos these days. Makes me wonder how much longer it will be before DCT's will be the norm.

 

On your original sentiment, I'm in that exact same boat.

I doubt they will with advances in torque converter autos. Even BMW has gone back to regular autos in non-M cars. 

I was constantly impressed by my dads 2012 Infiniti 7 speed auto. Real auto. I don't know that I could have shifted as fast as it did, and it was always in the right gear.

NickD
NickD UberDork
8/3/18 9:12 a.m.
mtn said:
z31maniac said:
te72 said:
T.J. said:

The more I hear about these, the more I like them. My goal is to not go to a Mazda dealer and drive one of these because if I did, I'm fairly sure I'd buy one and I don't need a new car right now.

The only saving grace for me the last time I was in a Mazda dealer was that their only ND in stock was an automatic. I'm sure it's still fantastic to drive, but I have no love or much use for torque converter autos these days. Makes me wonder how much longer it will be before DCT's will be the norm.

 

On your original sentiment, I'm in that exact same boat.

I doubt they will with advances in torque converter autos. Even BMW has gone back to regular autos in non-M cars. 

I was constantly impressed by my dads 2012 Infiniti 7 speed auto. Real auto. I don't know that I could have shifted as fast as it did, and it was always in the right gear.

The 8L90E in the Corvettes is also a hell of a piece of technology. I much prefer the auto C7s to the stick-shift cars.

z31maniac
z31maniac MegaDork
8/3/18 9:56 a.m.

^Same with the 10 speeds in the new Camaro/Mustang.

Stefan
Stefan MegaDork
8/3/18 11:38 a.m.
te72 said:
T.J. said:

The more I hear about these, the more I like them. My goal is to not go to a Mazda dealer and drive one of these because if I did, I'm fairly sure I'd buy one and I don't need a new car right now.

The only saving grace for me the last time I was in a Mazda dealer was that their only ND in stock was an automatic. I'm sure it's still fantastic to drive, but I have no love or much use for torque converter autos these days. Makes me wonder how much longer it will be before DCT's will be the norm.

 

On your original sentiment, I'm in that exact same boat.

Drive one, you may change your tune.  6-speeds, fairly quick upshifts by the steering wheel buttons/handle, throttle blips on downshifts, same gearing as the manual and more enjoyable in traffic.

te72
te72 Reader
8/4/18 12:17 a.m.
Stefan said:
te72 said:
T.J. said:

The more I hear about these, the more I like them. My goal is to not go to a Mazda dealer and drive one of these because if I did, I'm fairly sure I'd buy one and I don't need a new car right now.

The only saving grace for me the last time I was in a Mazda dealer was that their only ND in stock was an automatic. I'm sure it's still fantastic to drive, but I have no love or much use for torque converter autos these days. Makes me wonder how much longer it will be before DCT's will be the norm.

 

On your original sentiment, I'm in that exact same boat.

Drive one, you may change your tune.  6-speeds, fairly quick upshifts by the steering wheel buttons/handle, throttle blips on downshifts, same gearing as the manual and more enjoyable in traffic.

I'm sure they're not bad, but there are things you can do with a clutch that an auto simply cannot do. Driving my Supra at the autocross is all the proof I need of that. But for those that just want a fun car, it's great to hear that the auto is finally a viable option for those that wouldn't have a manual for whatever reason.

 

I have heard good things on the newer 8 and 10 speed GM and Ford units, but none of them are in anything I'd be in the market for.

Snrub
Snrub HalfDork
8/5/18 9:53 a.m.

It sounds like they've made it great car even better.

The biggest gripe I have with the club/sport is the wind noise coming in from the top when it's up. I don't think they've addressed this? I haven't driven a GT model, but the top on the Fiat 124 completely solves the problem.

MrChaos
MrChaos Dork
8/5/18 1:39 p.m.

In reply to Snrub :

gt and the fiata have the same top

Snrub
Snrub HalfDork
8/5/18 5:54 p.m.
MrChaos said:

In reply to Snrub :

gt and the fiata have the same top

I had read that too, but I recently read something which suggested the Fiat has an aluminum panel inside the fabric too (Edit: Found the link: "Most important, the folding soft top has a piece of aluminum sewn into it, as well as foam padding." https://www.motortrend.com/cars/fiat/124-spider/2017/2017-fiat-124-spider-first-drive-review/. ) I've never read this before in reference to either top. This makes me wonder if there's a bigger difference (?). Can anyone confirm or deny definitively?

racerdave600
racerdave600 UltraDork
8/6/18 11:22 a.m.

I know you have a driving report embargo, but what about a simple yes or no answer compared to the 2018?  Is the 2019 so much better than you would better be served by waiting, even if the local dealer has the 2018 Club RFs marked $7k off?

MrChaos
MrChaos Dork
8/6/18 11:34 a.m.

In reply to racerdave600 :

$7k buys a good coilover set up and the FM supercharger for the ND

racerdave600
racerdave600 UltraDork
8/6/18 2:21 p.m.
MrChaos said:

In reply to racerdave600 :

$7k buys a good coilover set up and the FM supercharger for the ND

But then you are no longer in a street autocross class.  

ProDarwin
ProDarwin PowerDork
8/6/18 2:47 p.m.

Are you positive the ND2 and ND1 will end up in the same class?

racerdave600
racerdave600 UltraDork
8/6/18 3:31 p.m.

Not at all, but given SCCA history on such things, this could go either way.  

Snrub
Snrub HalfDork
8/6/18 3:37 p.m.

$7k is a lot of money, a quarter of the overall price. I'd lean towards a 2018 for that difference.

racerdave600
racerdave600 UltraDork
8/6/18 3:56 p.m.
Snrub said:

$7k is a lot of money, a quarter of the overall price. I'd lean towards a 2018 for that difference.

I have not seen Mazda discount Miatas like that in the past.  They must think the 2018's are going to be a tough sell when the '19's hit.

MrChaos
MrChaos Dork
8/6/18 6:01 p.m.

In reply to racerdave600 :

i see 124's discounted like that. but then again its hard to move fiats right now

There is one semi local that is like 7-8k off right now, base 124 with tech package

 

MrChaos
MrChaos Dork
8/12/18 12:18 p.m.

Just sitting here waiting for monday.

BoxheadTim
BoxheadTim MegaDork
8/12/18 12:21 p.m.
Snrub said:
MrChaos said:

In reply to Snrub :

gt and the fiata have the same top

I had read that too, but I recently read something which suggested the Fiat has an aluminum panel inside the fabric too (Edit: Found the link: "Most important, the folding soft top has a piece of aluminum sewn into it, as well as foam padding." https://www.motortrend.com/cars/fiat/124-spider/2017/2017-fiat-124-spider-first-drive-review/. ) I've never read this before in reference to either top. This makes me wonder if there's a bigger difference (?). Can anyone confirm or deny definitively?

My ND LE (aka as ND1 as one can get) has a panel inside the first third of the roof. I think it's aluminium, but I haven't dug into that.

Snrub
Snrub HalfDork
8/12/18 12:38 p.m.

^ Interesting, thanks for confirming.

mazdeuce - Seth
mazdeuce - Seth Mod Squad
8/13/18 7:06 a.m.

Weren't we supposed to talk about this this morning?

MrChaos
MrChaos Dork
8/13/18 7:16 a.m.

The video reviews are slowly trickling in.

Also flyin Miata has a 19 RF gt-s they will talk about later today

Tom Suddard
Tom Suddard Digital Experience Director
8/13/18 8:26 a.m.

In reply to mazdeuce - Seth :

Mazda MX-5 Miata ND2 Review

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