Next Generation of Honda Electrics to Be Powered by GM

They say two heads are better than one. Honda and GM are hoping that applies to electric cars.

Building on an already amicable relationship, Honda and GM have agreed to collaborate on the next generation of Honda electric vehicles. From the looks of it, Honda will design the cars, then GM will build them and supply the electric motors.

Interestingly enough, Honda has said that OnStar, as well GM's "hands-free advanced driver-assist technology," will be included in future EVs.

We can expect to see this new generation of electric cars in showrooms for the 2024 model year.

Are you excited to see more partnerships like this involved in developing the next generation of alternative-energy vehicles? Or is Honda simply pushing the easy button to stay ahead on electrification?

 

Read the full release below:

April 2, 2020 — DETROIT and TORRANCE, Calif.

  • Builds on GM’s proven advanced technology relationship with Honda
  • Honda will develop unique interior and exterior designs for Honda customers
  • EVs will be produced on GM’s flexible global EV platform to increase scale and capacity utilization

General Motors and Honda have agreed to jointly develop two all-new electric vehicles for Honda, based on GM’s highly flexible global EV platform powered by proprietary Ultium batteries. The exteriors and interiors of the new EVs will be exclusively designed by Honda, and the platform will be engineered to support Honda’s driving character.

Production of these Honda electric vehicles will combine the development expertise of both companies, and they will be manufactured at GM plants in North America. Sales are expected to begin in the 2024 model year in Honda’s United States and Canadian markets.

GM and Honda have an ongoing relationship around electrification. This includes work on fuel cells and the Cruise Origin, an electric, self-driving and shared vehicle, which was revealed in San Francisco earlier this year. Honda also joined GM’s battery module development efforts in 2018.

"This collaboration will put together the strength of both companies, while combined scale and manufacturing efficiencies will ultimately provide greater value to customers," said Rick Schostek, executive vice president of American Honda Motor Co., Inc. "This expanded partnership will unlock economies of scale to accelerate our electrification roadmap and advance our industry-leading efforts to reduce greenhouse gas emissions."

"We are in discussions with one another regarding the possibility of further extending our partnership," Schostek said.

According to Doug Parks, GM executive vice president of Global Product Development, Purchasing and Supply Chain, "This agreement builds on our proven relationship with Honda, and further validates the technical advancements and capabilities of our Ultium batteries and our all-new EV platform.

"Importantly, it is another step on our journey to an all-electric future and delivering a profitable EV business through increased scale and capacity utilization. We have a terrific history of working closely with Honda, and this new collaboration builds on our relationship and like-minded objectives."

As part of the agreement to jointly develop electric vehicles, Honda will incorporate GM’s OnStar safety and security services into the two EVs, seamlessly integrating them with HondaLink. Additionally, Honda plans to make GM’s hands-free advanced driver-assist technology available.

General Motors (NYSE: GM) is a global company committed to delivering safer, better and more sustainable ways for people to get around. General Motors, its subsidiaries and its joint venture entities sell vehicles under the Chevrolet, Buick, GMC, Cadillac, Holden, Baojun, and Wuling brands. More information on the company and its subsidiaries, including OnStar, a global leader in vehicle safety and security services, and Maven, its personal mobility brand, can be found at http://www.gm.com.

Honda Motor Co. (NYSE: HMC), Honda designs, manufactures and markets automobiles, motorcycles, power products and aviation products worldwide. A global leader in powertrain and electromotive technologies, Honda produces nearly 28 million engines annually for its three product lines. Honda and its partners build products in more than 60 manufacturing plants in 27 countries, employing more than 208,000 associates globally.

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Cautionary Note on Forward-Looking Statements: This press release contains forward-looking statements that represent GM’s current judgment about possible future events. In making these statements GM relies on assumptions and analysis based on management’s experience and perception of historical trends, current conditions and expected future developments as well as other factors GM considers appropriate under the circumstances. GM believes these judgments are reasonable, but these statements are not guarantees of any events or financial results, and GM’s actual results may differ materially due to a variety of important factors, both positive and negative. A list and description of these factors can be found in GM’s Annual Report on Form 10-K and its subsequent filings with the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission. GM cautions readers not to place undue reliance on forward-looking statements. GM undertakes no obligation to update publicly or otherwise revise any forward-looking statements, whether as a result of new information, future events or other factors that affect the subject of these statements, except where GM is expressly required to do so by law.

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David S. Wallens
David S. Wallens Editorial Director
4/3/20 10:06 a.m.

454-powered CRX from the factory? 

Javelin (Forum Supporter)
Javelin (Forum Supporter) MegaDork
4/3/20 10:09 a.m.
David S. Wallens said:

454-powered CRX from the factory? 

I'm going to wager more like a Olds diesel powered Passport...

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_ Dork
4/3/20 10:47 a.m.

I'll wait for the Type R model. 

sobe_death
sobe_death Dork
4/3/20 10:50 a.m.

Finally seeing the other side of the coin where Honda put their engines in Saturn models.

Keith Tanner
Keith Tanner MegaDork
4/3/20 10:52 a.m.

I'm happy to see that GM seems to have rediscovered its mid-century naming mojo: Ultium batteries!

ZOO (Forum Supporter)
ZOO (Forum Supporter) UltraDork
4/3/20 11:47 a.m.

In reply to Keith Tanner :

I hope they have a "gage" to show how much ultia is left in the ultium battery.

mazdeuce - Seth
mazdeuce - Seth Mod Squad
4/3/20 11:56 a.m.

Service department at my local GM dealer just told me they don't see any future for electrics so they don't see a need to learn to work on them. Maybe Honda will see it differently? 

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_ Dork
4/3/20 12:06 p.m.

In reply to mazdeuce - Seth :

You should've told them that they are right, because Lord knows, those newfangled computers and that darn Internet never went anywhere. Technology, get off my lawn!

Keith Tanner
Keith Tanner MegaDork
4/3/20 12:07 p.m.
mazdeuce - Seth said:

Service department at my local GM dealer just told me they don't see any future for electrics so they don't see a need to learn to work on them. Maybe Honda will see it differently? 

I assume that local GM dealer doesn't sell a lot of Bolts. They're sure not interested in supporting them if so!

Paul_VR6
Paul_VR6 Dork
4/3/20 12:15 p.m.
mazdeuce - Seth said:

Service department at my local GM dealer just told me they don't see any future for electrics so they don't see a need to learn to work on them. Maybe Honda will see it differently? 

As there is almost no service on EV, that is true in a way.

ChrisLS8
ChrisLS8 Reader
4/3/20 1:08 p.m.

People are salty enough about the Toyota BMW Zupra collab. Now the Honda guys gonna start whining 

Keith Tanner
Keith Tanner MegaDork
4/3/20 1:12 p.m.

I think that's only because the Supra is a flagship car. It's not like there haven't been Honda collaborations before.

GCrites80s
GCrites80s Reader
4/3/20 1:33 p.m.
ZOO (Forum Supporter) said:

In reply to Keith Tanner :

I hope they have a "gage" to show how much ultia is left in the ultium battery.

Oh no, not the dreaded Green Eye

Nicole Suddard
Nicole Suddard New Reader
4/3/20 2:13 p.m.
mazdeuce - Seth said:

Service department at my local GM dealer just told me they don't see any future for electrics so they don't see a need to learn to work on them. Maybe Honda will see it differently? 

That's certainly been my experience. Couldn't get GM to service my Volt at all even though it was under warranty. Traded it for a Honda Clarity and haven't looked back. Honda's service has been impeccable so far.

Interesting move by Honda.

I read a while back that their battery technology was behind the curve, despite being showcased in the NSX. Partnering is definitely one way to sole the problem-the company that Sochiro originally founded to produce piston rings has to make the jump to battery power somehow. 

Maybe it's not surprising. Batteies themselves may turn out to be more about scale than innovation or design. If it's destined to be a commodity then this sourcing strategy makes sense.

The mid-engined vette is expected to decimate the hybrid NSX. If you can't beat 'em, join 'em I guess.

captdownshift (Forum Supporter)
captdownshift (Forum Supporter) UltimaDork
4/3/20 6:31 p.m.

Imagine all that Honda torque, available at idle.

boxedfox
boxedfox Reader
4/3/20 10:48 p.m.
Keith Tanner said:

I think that's only because the Supra is a flagship car. It's not like there haven't been Honda collaborations before.

Exactly. Some of them with GM too. Remember the first-gen Saturn Vue, the brand's best-seller? The 6 cylinder models had a Honda J35 under the hood.

Chances are this is a short-term collaboration and a low-risk hedge for Honda. They have relationships with the biggest battery makers in the world and know full well that the current generation of battery tech isn't good enough to make a profitable BEV for the everyday consumer. This will let them add a few battery powered EVs to their fleet without having to spend a lot of money on tech that might go obsolete in 10 years.

It's actually a much riskier proposition for GM, as they are the ones building the expensive batteries and motors. If they don't work as well as they hope, there's nothing stopping Honda from taking the same chassis and dropping in another manufacturer's battery pack and motor package at little to no cost.

frenchyd
frenchyd PowerDork
4/3/20 11:12 p.m.

In reply to Colin Wood :

 GM has historic strength in Electric vehicles. They were working on them early on. More recent was EV1  then Volt and Bolt.  
Their patent on square wire  which is a real advance. Gets them a step ahead of Tesla. ( at least in motors ). 
What GM lacks is the ability to make a profit in small cars. Something Honda  excels in.  
 

Honda is too small to survive on its own. Consolidation is coming. Honda is progressive enough to see that. GM is very smart about acquisition. They looked at Jaguar and passed, Ford Jumped  and lost a fortune trying to make it work. Leaving Tatra to pick up the pieces  Tatra  is next to be absorbed  

 

Dave M (Forum Supporter)
Dave M (Forum Supporter) HalfDork
4/4/20 5:53 a.m.
frenchyd said:

In reply to Colin Wood :

 GM has historic strength in Electric vehicles. They were working on them early on. More recent was EV1  then Volt and Bolt.  
Their patent on square wire  which is a real advance. Gets them a step ahead of Tesla. ( at least in motors ). 
What GM lacks is the ability to make a profit in small cars. Something Honda  excels in.  
 

Honda is too small to survive on its own. Consolidation is coming. Honda is progressive enough to see that. GM is very smart about acquisition. They looked at Jaguar and passed, Ford Jumped  and lost a fortune trying to make it work. Leaving Tatra to pick up the pieces  Tatra  is next to be absorbed  

 

Honda has a market cap twice that of Ford. Not so small!
But yes, GM has some awesome EV tech. They just have put it in a super dorkmobile so far! Honda will put a fart can on it and sell tons.

In reply to frenchyd :

2018 revenue for GM was 147B  USD, Honda had 138B USD. Earnings for both companies were roughly 10B. 

Turboeric
Turboeric Reader
4/4/20 9:48 a.m.
Nicole Suddard said:
mazdeuce - Seth said:

Service department at my local GM dealer just told me they don't see any future for electrics so they don't see a need to learn to work on them. Maybe Honda will see it differently? 

That's certainly been my experience. Couldn't get GM to service my Volt at all even though it was under warranty. Traded it for a Honda Clarity and haven't looked back. Honda's service has been impeccable so far.

I suspect this has more to do with individual dealers than GM vs Honda. Our local GM dealer was extremely helpful the one time we needed them for the Volt, and they always have a few Bolts in stock. The Honda dealer seems to have zero interest in the Clarity or the Insight.

Nicole Suddard
Nicole Suddard Marketing Coordinator
4/6/20 1:09 p.m.
Turboeric said:
Nicole Suddard said:
mazdeuce - Seth said:

Service department at my local GM dealer just told me they don't see any future for electrics so they don't see a need to learn to work on them. Maybe Honda will see it differently? 

That's certainly been my experience. Couldn't get GM to service my Volt at all even though it was under warranty. Traded it for a Honda Clarity and haven't looked back. Honda's service has been impeccable so far.

I suspect this has more to do with individual dealers than GM vs Honda. Our local GM dealer was extremely helpful the one time we needed them for the Volt, and they always have a few Bolts in stock. The Honda dealer seems to have zero interest in the Clarity or the Insight.

On the contrary, the GM dealers (those that knew anything about the EVs, at least - local dealership was clueless) were helpful and even gave us the transcripts of their communications with GM. Dealer wanted to make the repairs, GM refused. Dealer fought them on it, GM still told them to pound sand. That's when I gave up on owning the Volt.

Local Honda dealer's sales staff didn't know what a Clarity was when I showed up and asked about buying one, but when I showed up to the service center for maintenance after buying one at an out-of-town dealership, they knew exactly what to do with it. That being said, who knows if they'll know what to do if anything ever actually breaks on it.

Turboeric
Turboeric Reader
4/6/20 5:22 p.m.

In reply to Nicole Suddard :

That's unfortunate, as I've found the Volt to be without question the best commuter appliance I've ever owned. I haven't had to deal with GM at all (which is part of why I like it so much), and the only problem we've had was the 12V battery going intermittently flakey, which was correctly diagnosed and cured by replacing the 7 year old 12V battery. How do you find the eCVT on the Clarity? Any CVTs I've ever experienced would have driven me bonkers and put me off owning any car cursed with one.

frenchyd
frenchyd PowerDork
4/7/20 9:23 a.m.
Dave M (Forum Supporter) said:
frenchyd said:

In reply to Colin Wood :

 GM has historic strength in Electric vehicles. They were working on them early on. More recent was EV1  then Volt and Bolt.  
Their patent on square wire  which is a real advance. Gets them a step ahead of Tesla. ( at least in motors ). 
What GM lacks is the ability to make a profit in small cars. Something Honda  excels in.  
 

Honda is too small to survive on its own. Consolidation is coming. Honda is progressive enough to see that. GM is very smart about acquisition. They looked at Jaguar and passed, Ford Jumped  and lost a fortune trying to make it work. Leaving Tatra to pick up the pieces  Tatra  is next to be absorbed  

 

Honda has a market cap twice that of Ford. Not so small!
But yes, GM has some awesome EV tech. They just have put it in a super dorkmobile so far! Honda will put a fart can on it and sell tons.

Thank you for that big picture snap shot.  I hadn't checked lately and went by past ( pre bankruptcy ) assumptions. I forgot how lousy GM was at selling cars at a profit and  then when you add the fact that they aren't number one in truck sales either there is a grim future indeed.  

Of course both GM and Ford lag compared to Tesla. So it's not just about putting out vehicles it's where the market believes the best return on their investments will be. 

    

Nicole Suddard
Nicole Suddard Marketing Coordinator
4/7/20 11:14 a.m.

In reply to Turboeric :

I also liked the Volt a lot until the battery started to degrade, which unfortunately caused the whole cascade of failures that led to me ditching it. At the time, I had a 100 mile/day commute to work and couldn't do it in a flakey car that couldn't get fixed.

The Clarity, I'd say, feels similar to the Volt and was a smooth transition, but definitely heftier. The eCVT is easy enough to get used to. I can't recall any annoyances from it, but I also haven't driven a car in 3 weeks because quarantine. I will say that the driving assistance features are a bit annoying sometimes, which is a thing I've heard from other Honda owners as well.

It's not fast. In Sport mode it feels a little bit more like a real car, but it's obvious that it's not made to do that all the time. Frequently I miss my old BMW.

As an appliance, it's reliable and quite comfortable, and I can see myself keeping it around for a decade. As a car, it leaves a lot of excitement to be desired.

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