Smith College Gearing Up for the Grassroots Motorsports $2017 Challenge

The Grassroots Motorsports $2000 Challenge has hosted college-supported teams many times in the past, with the likes of Georgia Tech and Texas A&M being major players. In fact, we give out a trophy every year to the top-finishing college.

Now an all-female team from Smith College is joining in the fray. Their plans center around a Mazda Miata, a popular, proven platform. They also set up a GoFundMe page to help get them there.

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David S. Wallens
David S. Wallens Editorial Director
6/12/17 12:18 p.m.

I would have killed for an opportunity like this when I was in school. So, who else is going to chip in a few bucks?

alfadriver
alfadriver MegaDork
6/12/17 12:50 p.m.
David S. Wallens wrote: I would have killed for an opportunity like this when I was in school. So, who else is going to chip in a few bucks?

I keep hoping some students at our local school would want to make one...

Oh, and its interesting to see a target well over the spending target. Maybe it's for a long term, multi year program to get going.

maschinenbau
maschinenbau HalfDork
6/12/17 1:27 p.m.

When I was a leader of Georgia Tech's team, we had an annual budget of at least that much to account for things like tools, safety equipment, travel, consumables, etc. in addition to the cost of the actual car. That little stuff adds up with a team of a few dozen students and multiple cars in various stages of completion, especially when adhering to the college's rules regarding safety.

Large corporate donations helped offset the big-ticket items like truck/trailer, welders, lift, but much of the annual budget was financed by student government.

DeanCase
DeanCase
6/12/17 3:26 p.m.

Thanks for sharing this. I'm in for $250. Let's get the Smith engineers off to a good start!

DeanCase
DeanCase New Reader
6/12/17 3:27 p.m.

Read their GoFundMe page. They are making sure they have budget for tools and travel.

wvumtnbkr
wvumtnbkr UltraDork
6/12/17 3:33 p.m.

Girls can't build and race cars!

Er wait, my wife helped build and Win many races with her car....

I'll forward this to her and I bet she will wanna donate.

Good Luck Ladies!

classicJackets
classicJackets HalfDork
6/12/17 6:34 p.m.

I love this community. Good luck Smith College team!

alfadriver
alfadriver MegaDork
6/12/17 6:51 p.m.
DeanCase wrote: Read their GoFundMe page. They are making sure they have budget for tools and travel.

Ok, saw that. The hard one is the pulling vehicle and the trailer. That's where my highest cost parts were- the rest was on a tight budget, including the cost of the classes I took at a community college.

I did send them a possibility near here- but also suggested that they post here, as I know someone will be willing to help on a more realistic car than I found here in SE MI. Which is one cool thing about this forum.

John Welsh
John Welsh MegaDork
6/12/17 9:03 p.m.

Welcome to Smith!

I can't be the only one who had to look up Smith College of Massachusetts on wiki.

I highly recommend a build thread from the Team of Smith College while simultaneously spending time on the board learning how The Challenge works.

My other advice to Smith is to get a sit down meeting with these other Massachusetts based Kings of GRM Challenge history.

ckosacranoid
ckosacranoid Dork
6/12/17 9:11 p.m.

congrats to these very cool young ladies, can not wait to get my butt kicked by a bunch of girls in oct.

pinchvalve
pinchvalve MegaDork
6/13/17 8:26 a.m.

Good luck!

SVreX
SVreX MegaDork
6/13/17 8:53 a.m.

They really should be building a Yugo.

YuGo, Girl!

Welcome.

John Welsh
John Welsh MegaDork
6/13/17 9:06 a.m.

In reply to SVreX:

Ha.

Or, since they are going Miata, they could go with a Barbie Car, pink theme. I say this not because I think girls should be limited to pink cars but more because I would like to see their pink car beat down some other competitors.

Some inspirations:

Ovid_and_Flem
Ovid_and_Flem HalfDork
6/13/17 11:31 a.m.

In reply to John Welsh :

Maybe a tad sexist?

Woody
Woody MegaDork
6/13/17 12:05 p.m.

I fully support this effort and suggest that the event be henceforth moved to the campus of Smith College.

wvumtnbkr
wvumtnbkr UltraDork
6/13/17 12:07 p.m.

There was a Lemons team that did the full Barbie car thing.

They even made very large full size person boxes and had a Barbie doll and a Ken doll (real people dressed up and standing in the boxes).

It was awesome!

Ovid_and_Flem
Ovid_and_Flem HalfDork
6/13/17 12:26 p.m.

I'm in!

Even if you can't make a contribution, share on your Facebook page to get the word out....good publicity for challenge.

Just click on go fund link above scroll down and hit facebook/twtiter symbol

David S. Wallens
David S. Wallens Editorial Director
6/19/17 4:39 p.m.

Thanks for the generosity, everyone. Looks like they're north of $3300 so far.

SVreX
SVreX MegaDork
6/19/17 6:12 p.m.

Have them contact me. Can't do cash, but The Mumpkin needs a new home.

Ovid_and_Flem
Ovid_and_Flem HalfDork
6/19/17 6:36 p.m.

In reply to SVreX:

Email them at SMITHCOLLEGERACING AT G MAIL dot COM

I did and got a quick nice response. Expect to see a build thread shortly!

bmw88rider
bmw88rider SuperDork
6/19/17 9:36 p.m.

Too bad they are in Mass and the transportation would be crazy because I have a Mazda 3 with a ton of good parts I'd donate to the cause. If there are any college teams here in Texas that want it reach out to me before I put it out on CL as a parts car for a grand.

mtn
mtn MegaDork
6/20/17 9:43 a.m.
TeamEvil wrote: Smith College loans money to God ! They don't need donations from anyone here. Seriously . . https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Smith_College_people This isn't a college as much as a staging ground for world leaders. Look at the schools and the alumni of the schools in the North Hampton area—STAGGERING ! ! ! ! Just type "North Hampton, MA" in Google for a real education in privilege. The list of donating alumni is staggering. A handful of fifty dollar donations from a bunch of chimps won't even keep them in bottled water during their exhausting and strenuous build. I honestly suspect that the Go-Fund-Me Page is more for publicity, an attempt to appear human than an actual plea for donations. Those women live in rarified air, coming down to this level is all for show . . . this isn't real ! ! ! ! I know real racers who are women, I've helped work on their cars, what's going on here is nothing but a bid for good press for them and the college. Take your "donation" AND TREAT YOUR wife to dinner, you'll be better for it !

Did you get dumped by a Smith student at some point in your life?

maschinenbau
maschinenbau HalfDork
6/20/17 9:54 a.m.

Seriously, not cool. This community has always been very welcoming so let's try to keep it that way. Some colleges may have more money than others but it is no easy task funneling it into brand new clubs and organizations, especially in a niche likely crowded with FSAE, robotics, and other more established teams.

David S. Wallens
David S. Wallens Editorial Director
6/20/17 9:58 a.m.

Wow, a group of students makes an attempt to join our event, and you crap all over them? Yeah, not cool. Publicity or not, they're making an attempt to join us at our event. Why would you not welcome them with open arms?

I went to a school with fairly deep pockets. We still had to raise money for our own stuff. The school helped, but not all the way. In the end we learned the fine arts of marketing, fund raising and teamwork.

Ovid_and_Flem
Ovid_and_Flem HalfDork
6/20/17 10:09 a.m.

In reply to TeamEvil:

Very appropriate screen name. Perhaps you could express your opinion with a tad more tact....or follow you own advice in another thread to not post comments.

MrJoshua
MrJoshua UltimaDork
6/20/17 10:11 a.m.
SVreX wrote: Have them contact me. Can't do cash, but The Mumpkin needs a new home.

I approve this message!

SVreX
SVreX MegaDork
6/20/17 10:17 a.m.

TeamEvil spelled backwards is Live Meat.

Hmmm....

GTXVette
GTXVette Dork
6/20/17 10:20 a.m.

In reply to SVreX:

Now that's funny right there!!!

GTXVette
GTXVette Dork
6/20/17 10:27 a.m.

Think I remember something about "Best finish for a College Team" Then I still got to go with the Local Trade School. Go Tech! Oh and that'd Be Georgia, not Texas

Tom Suddard
Tom Suddard Associate Editor
6/20/17 12:34 p.m.

If it ends with a bunch of young people enjoying motorsports, then it's ended the way I'm hoping. Anything beyond that is gravy for me.

SVreX
SVreX MegaDork
6/20/17 12:35 p.m.

In reply to TeamEvil:

And then what? You gonna give us a great big "I told you so"??

I don't think you are listening. It makes no difference whether you are right or wrong. The comments are inappropriate and not cool.

In other words, don't be a dick.

alfadriver
alfadriver MegaDork
6/20/17 12:58 p.m.
Tom Suddard wrote: If it ends with a bunch of young people enjoying motorsports, then it's ended the way I'm hoping. Anything beyond that is gravy for me.

if it ends up with some potential employees coming to Detroit, too, that would be gravy for some of us.

David S. Wallens
David S. Wallens Editorial Director
6/20/17 1:09 p.m.
alfadriver wrote:
Tom Suddard wrote: If it ends with a bunch of young people enjoying motorsports, then it's ended the way I'm hoping. Anything beyond that is gravy for me.

if it ends up with some potential employees coming to Detroit, too, that would be gravy for some of us.

Totally.

RoadAndSlack
RoadAndSlack New Reader
6/20/17 1:18 p.m.

Ovid_and_Flem
Ovid_and_Flem HalfDork
6/20/17 1:49 p.m.
TeamEvil wrote: "The comments are inappropriate and not cool." You wanna be a cheerleader, go ahead, good for you, but if my comments are prophetic, then . . . an "I told you so !" will certainly be coming. After this amount of grief, count on it. If I'm wrong here, an apology will be coming along as well ! ! ! ! You can hope, but I'm doubting it. Just saying, we'll see how this plays out.

Are you really that berkleying clueless? You really don't get it? But then again, I'm just a "chimp"...

MrJoshua
MrJoshua UltimaDork
6/20/17 1:56 p.m.
TeamEvil wrote: "The comments are inappropriate and not cool." You wanna be a cheerleader, go ahead, good for you, but if my comments are prophetic, then . . . an "I told you so !" will certainly be coming. After this amount of grief, count on it. If I'm wrong here, an apology will be coming along as well ! ! ! ! You can hope, but I'm doubting it. Just saying, we'll see how this plays out.

I just went and re-read your post to see what you were warning us about. I still don't understand what dire consequences you are predicting. It seems to me that in the worst case the Challenge, and gathering of the funding, is being used as a resume builder for a group of young women who might each be able to fund the entire project with their pocket change. Even if that is 100% completely true I don't understand the problem. Some people build challenge cars because they can't afford to do it any other way, some build them to challenge themselves to function in a budget constrained world they are unaccustomed to. If a few bucks here or there help the future entrepreneurs of the world get exposed to a Challenge oriented mindset then I am all for it.

Am I missing something?

T.J.
T.J. UltimaDork
6/20/17 2:02 p.m.

In reply to MrJoshua:

I don't think you are the one that is missing something....

alfadriver
alfadriver MegaDork
6/20/17 2:13 p.m.

In reply to TeamEvil:

The only "dire warning" that is really applicable here- the possibility that they take the money from the Kickstarter and disappear.

And the only real bad result is if they actually disappear.

If they start making a car, and run out of steam, I think that's ok- this isn't an easy thing to do.

If they make a car, but can't make it to Florida- that's ok- it's still work.

If they make a car, get to Florida, but it completely fails, that's ok- it's happened a lot.

I can go on, but there only one actually bad result of what these students are doing.

Oh, and the engineering school is TINY. While they may get mega yacht's of money for the school- I'd wager a bet that this project will not get much- unless it's part of a project to get a degree. It may be, but since no OEM's are down in Gainesville recruiting, I seriously doubt that it is- so this is a "for fun" project.

I can put it another way- Michigan has a massive engineering school. A Challenge car would be a drop in the bucket relative the FSAE, F-Hybrid, Solar car, etc. But I doubt the school would be interested in supporting the project.

So to review- there's only one actually bad outcome. And for most, it's not really that bad.

If there's an issue with them being a certain kind of school- big deal. I don't like the leaders of many private schools out there. But if they are interested in cars, and possibly going into some kind of automotive job- I'm 100% fine with that.

4cylndrfury
4cylndrfury MegaDork
6/20/17 2:14 p.m.
TeamEvil wrote: You wanna be a cheerleader, go ahead...

Yes, yes I do. In a sport that is suffering from dwindling new attendees, for whatever reason, a TEAM of young people looking to enter it is a GREAT THING. I will do whatever it takes to cheerlead for them. Stop being an A$$h0|3. "Wah wah the rich kids were mean to me" is not an appropriate defense for being a douchenozzle to a team of students. go eff yourself.

maschinenbau
maschinenbau HalfDork
6/20/17 2:42 p.m.
TeamEvil wrote: Just pop this in the memory bank, this is'lt gonna end the way that you're hoping. Get back to me later . . .

As a former Georgia Tech college team member, I can tell you things NEVER ended the way we hoped. In fact, they usually turned out horribly! But we loved every bit of it and are better for those experiences. Just off the top of my head:

  • First car-on-car contact at the Challenge. Yup.
  • Blowing the trans tailshaft seal and promptly closing a lane of the drags.
  • Catastrophic sub-frame separation, two years in a row, repaired by the welder that was supposed to be someone else's prize. Thanks, Miller!
  • Curious case of the fractured harmonic balancer and implementation of the Reese Rule.
  • Countless spun bearings.
  • Getting pulled over in the school's tow pig.
  • 4am night-before-Challenge emergency engine swap and road trip.
  • and many, countless late nights welding, machining, and grinding away in the shop when I should have been studying, dating, or drinking like a normal co-ed.

There is nothing wrong with a few college kids trying to fund their automotive passion while getting valuable experience. We did it, we failed a lot, and it was awesome. I wish more colleges did the Challenge, not only for more competition, but because I wish those incredible experiences could be had by others!

TeamEvil
TeamEvil Dork
6/20/17 2:44 p.m.

OK then . . . you all don't see this in the way that I do.

No sweat, I'm gone, out of here !

It was fun for a spell—

alfadriver
alfadriver MegaDork
6/20/17 2:46 p.m.
TeamEvil wrote: OK then . . . you all don't see this in the way that I do. No sweat, I'm gone, out of here ! It was fun for a spell—

Great, imply sweeping accusations, with no indicators of what could go wrong, and leave.

If you plan on doing that again, just don't. It's a lot easier of everyone.

Ovid_and_Flem
Ovid_and_Flem HalfDork
6/20/17 2:48 p.m.

In reply to TeamEvil:

Quit while you're behind.

edizzle89
edizzle89 Dork
6/20/17 3:21 p.m.
TeamEvil wrote: Smith College loans money to God ! They don't need donations from anyone here. Seriously . . https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Smith_College_people This isn't a college as much as a staging ground for world leaders. Look at the schools and the alumni of the schools in the North Hampton area—STAGGERING ! ! ! ! Just type "North Hampton, MA" in Google for a real education in privilege. The list of donating alumni is staggering. A handful of fifty dollar donations from a bunch of chimps won't even keep them in bottled water during their exhausting and strenuous build. I honestly suspect that the Go-Fund-Me Page is more for publicity, an attempt to appear human than an actual plea for donations. Those women live in rarified air, coming down to this level is all for show . . . this isn't real ! ! ! ! I know real racers who are women, I've helped work on their cars, what's going on here is nothing but a bid for good press for them and the college. Take your "donation" AND TREAT YOUR wife to dinner, you'll be better for it !

things like this are the reason why participation trophies exist. god forbid someone have nicer E36 M3 then you do.

JG Pasterjak
JG Pasterjak Production/Art Director
6/20/17 3:41 p.m.

If this guy is hacked off about Smith College fielding a team, please don't tell him we just got an entry from the Dr. Apocalypse Academy for the Study of the Dark Arts. I don't want to be responsible for his heart attack.

chaparral
chaparral Dork
6/20/17 4:30 p.m.
GTXVette wrote: Think I remember something about "Best finish for a College Team" Then I still got to go with the Local Trade School. Go Tech! Oh and that'd Be Georgia, not Texas

Wasn't Texas A&M second one year with a turbo 1.8 Miata?

sesto elemento
sesto elemento SuperDork
6/20/17 5:31 p.m.

As a Northampton resident I wish I resembled those remarks.

MrJoshua
MrJoshua UltimaDork
6/20/17 5:37 p.m.
chaparral wrote:
GTXVette wrote: Think I remember something about "Best finish for a College Team" Then I still got to go with the Local Trade School. Go Tech! Oh and that'd Be Georgia, not Texas

Wasn't Texas A&M second one year with a turbo 1.8 Miata?

Nope

Ovid_and_Flem
Ovid_and_Flem HalfDork
6/20/17 5:49 p.m.
MrJoshua wrote:
chaparral wrote:
GTXVette wrote: Think I remember something about "Best finish for a College Team" Then I still got to go with the Local Trade School. Go Tech! Oh and that'd Be Georgia, not Texas

Wasn't Texas A&M second one year with a turbo 1.8 Miata?

Nope

I thought Texas A&M finished 2nd in 2015.

SVreX
SVreX MegaDork
6/20/17 5:56 p.m.

In reply to Ovid_and_Flem:

They did.

Mr Joshua has had a mental lapse.

MrJoshua
MrJoshua UltimaDork
6/20/17 6:04 p.m.
SVreX wrote: In reply to Ovid_and_Flem: They did. Mr Joshua has had a mental lapse.

Yeah-getting beat by them in the AutoX scrambled my brain a bit.

Ovid_and_Flem
Ovid_and_Flem HalfDork
6/20/17 6:10 p.m.

In reply to SVreX:

FTD on autoX with a true student driver, right?

SVreX
SVreX MegaDork
6/20/17 6:12 p.m.

In reply to Ovid_and_Flem:

Yep

hobiercr
hobiercr Dork
6/21/17 9:20 a.m.

I just emailed them about a free NA shell w/ suspension I came across last night. It's in FL but I bet if they came to get it we could probably scrounge up a free drivetrain, suspension parts, wheels, etc. between here and CT to make the road trip worth their while. Cue Build Thread, Cue Your Trips and Adventures Thread.

DeanCase
DeanCase New Reader
6/22/17 2:59 p.m.

Interesting comments. Full disclosure. I was the person who hosted the seven Smith engineering students at the Watkins Glen NASA weekend. I have personally visited 14 engineering schools in the past year, and the Smith program is excellent, but rather new, and very small. In most respects they are no different than any other engineering students. One of the seven Smith students was a motorhead before she arrived at college. The other six were simply smart students with an open mind looking to learn about different aspects of engineering. I have worked with Formula SAE and SAE Baja teams for 30 years now. Those school programs vary from vastly overfunded class projects micromanaged by faculty to low-buck student club run grassroots efforts. Smith has no history with racing, so the students are doing this on this own. They looked at Formula SAE, but like any smart team evaluated their resources and concluded that the GRM $2017 was the best opportunity to learn, have fun, and maybe make some industry contacts that could lead to them working within the sport. One of the students is interning with Hale Motorsports on their Pirelli World Challenge team. Does Smith benefit from great donations? Yes. Is this different than any other successful school? No. Will the students complete the car? I believe so. I donated my $250, and have encouraged companies who hire entry level engineers to step up at the $400 resume book level.

4cylndrfury
4cylndrfury MegaDork
6/22/17 3:03 p.m.

Good for you Dean, I am really interested to see what the team turns out, and hear their impressions of the challenge. We all love to see the creativity that an open mind and a tight budget turn out. Hopefully the Smith team feels the same. I think the girls are in for an awesome experience.

Ovid_and_Flem
Ovid_and_Flem HalfDork
6/22/17 3:27 p.m.

In reply to DeanCase:

I'm glad you replied, Dean. The lawyer in me made me do my due diligence before donating and revealed GH's Haie Racing/NASA connection and further explained the Miata choice...didn't want to out you

I have been in touch with their defacto leader and have learned they are very serious about the challenge and are receiving no current funding from Smith College.....they're doing on their own.

C'mon guys...pony up. They'll be a great addition to the Challenge.

DeanCase
DeanCase New Reader
6/22/17 4:47 p.m.

In reply to Ovid_and_Flem:

The school is being supportive in that they have a place to work, but it is 100% student brain-power. I'm helping out as the business mentor since my engineering skills are rather dated these days. And, unlike TeamEvil, when I post, I post under my real name. :)

Ovid_and_Flem
Ovid_and_Flem HalfDork
6/22/17 4:59 p.m.

In reply to DeanCase:

As a new forum member, I sure hope you recognized from others' responses he was a Wolfpack of 1.

The nomenclature for people like him in forum speak is 'shiny, happy person,"

Jerry From LA
Jerry From LA SuperDork
6/23/17 1:18 a.m.

The Challenge is a great format for college teams because there are very few rules. You can run whatever you want, as long as it doesn't cost over $2,017. There is no restrictor plate rule in the Challenge as there is in FSAE. If it runs 10s in the quarter and tears up the autocross course for $2,017, more power to you. I can see why it's so attractive to a group trying to get off the ground.

These young people are starting from zero. The tow vehicle and trailer will be passed on to the next group coming in. The welder, the shop air, the hand tools will be scraped together bit by bit over time. Success has to start somewhere and this effort is Day 1. They will come and they will learn. They will ask questions, take suggestions, borrow tools, scratch their heads, fail at stuff, succeed at stuff, and go home to figure out what went right and what E36 M3 the bed. Then they'll pass it on to the next group who hopefully possess the leadership abilities necessary to carry the team to the next level. It's how the successful college teams have done it and it's how they will do it.

Also, it would be a mistake to think all the students at an academically rigorous and successful institution of higher learning are there by the grace of some birthright or family money. These schools take many promising students from differing backgrounds who do not have anywhere near the means to attend and provide them with the money and housing necessary to succeed. If that means they must bus a few tables to do so, well, these young people have already had to work harder than anyone else to get where they're going so it's no biggy.

My nephew got a full academic ride to a fine school to study physics. He's already got his name on a couple of papers. I guarantee you his parents are not "to the manor born." They were just hardworking, creative, and smart. Now they have a scientist in the family who's fielding grad school offers from many fine schools. So let's not rain on anybody's parade, especially before it begins. These young people are just interested in what we're interested in. Let's not mash their curiosity just so they will conform to someone's myopic world view.

GTXVette
GTXVette Dork
6/23/17 6:22 a.m.

DeanCase, You have Raced at a Top Tier Venue and are going to meet a set of rules like no other, $2017 dollars Is a set of wheels and Tires In Most Forms of racing.

My suggestion would be to do as I have done and Buy a running car and prep that for the event, adhereing to the Monetary Limit is Darn near Impossable withuot a huge stash of "Junk" parts and a wheeler Dealer mentality, I feel I Posses Both those items and see that Abandoning My Vette and Buying a former Challenge car Is the Only way to Make the Show at this Late Date.

That little Ford racer on 2017 Classifieds is Ideal and should be considered. Best Of Luck Girl's And Don't hesitate to Ask Here For Help Of ANY Kind. some smart folks here Too!

DeanCase
DeanCase New Reader
6/23/17 8:28 a.m.

In reply to Ovid_and_Flem:

Agreed. I've spent many years with the GRM community and 99% are great people. There is always one.

John Welsh
John Welsh MegaDork
6/23/17 1:41 p.m.

I'll provide this advice that I gave to someone else looking to do some "crowd sourcing" of funds for The Challenge.

Choose a "sports car", "race car" as your basis.

It seems you have done this with choosing a Miata. As much as I would like to see a Ford Aspire with a turbo added to it, I feel that when you are asking others to support the cause and you have little time to really explain the event, you will have a harder time getting people to support your "economy car" effort in a race. It will be much easier to build support from the "unkowning" if you ask for dollars to race a traditional sports car/race car.

John
Challenger of two Infiniti Q45's and one Nissan Quest Minivan.
Neither perceived as sports cars/race cars.

DeanCase
DeanCase New Reader
6/23/17 3:35 p.m.

In reply to John Welsh :

I loved your Quest project last year. I am encouraging them to use a Miata as i know that world, and know people who can offer use advice and mentorship. The diversity of hardware and ideas at the GRM $20XX Challenge is what makes it so much fun.

Jerry From LA
Jerry From LA SuperDork
6/23/17 3:55 p.m.
DeanCase wrote: In reply to John Welsh : I loved your Quest project last year. I am encouraging them to use a Miata as i know that world, and know people who can offer use advice and mentorship. The diversity of hardware and ideas at the GRM $20XX Challenge is what makes it so much fun.

There's a wealth of Miata knowledge and a lot of crappy cars out there for cheap. You need both for a quality first foray. plus, we have in our ranks the one and only Keith Tanner who literally wrote the book(s)on modifying these cars.

[Shameless plug] By the way, we have Keith's How to Build a High-Performance Mazda Miata MX-5 and Mazda MX-5 Miata: Find it. Fix it. Trick it. on sale here at Autobooks-Aerobooks here in Burbank or autobooks-aerobooks.com. [/Shameless plug] Ahem, just thought I'd mention it, ahem nudge-nudge.

Ovid_and_Flem
Ovid_and_Flem HalfDork
6/23/17 4:03 p.m.

In reply to Jerry From LA:

And if you don't leave those manuals in the car, they don't count in your budget,

SVreX
SVreX MegaDork
6/23/17 4:40 p.m.

In reply to DeanCase:

I emailed the team about my turbo Miata (5 time Challenge participant, 3rd place overall 2015).

It could be a really good start.

John Welsh
John Welsh MegaDork
6/23/17 5:31 p.m.

In reply to DeanCase:

Ah, I recognized the name somewhat but couldn't put my finger on it. What you wrote made me remember The Ole Nissan Guy.

Now even more cool and more glad to have y'all.

GTXVette
GTXVette Dork
6/23/17 6:22 p.m.
SVreX wrote: In reply to DeanCase: I emailed the team about my turbo Miata (5 time Challenge participant, 3rd place overall 2015). It could be a really good start.

Kool that you would Offer that car up but it really is a Great starting Point.

tb
tb Dork
6/23/17 8:41 p.m.

I'm just going to keep my personal opinions to myself and try to be as nice as possible...

I would gladly donate my turbo Integra from last year to any college team with earnest intentions. It is a well sorted car with low operating costs, huge market support and it would not get lost in the ever-present sea of basic Mazdas. The car needs some work but nothing too difficult, just a bunch of little things; would certainly make the trip up to Mass from NJ.

Beyond that, I will probably just spectate this year so I should be down there and would gladly make myself useful in any way. Reach out for help, new friends are still friends and we all try to support each other as much as possible.

sesto elemento
sesto elemento SuperDork
6/24/17 2:49 a.m.
wheels777 wrote:
Ovid_and_Flem wrote:
MrJoshua wrote:
chaparral wrote:
GTXVette wrote: Think I remember something about "Best finish for a College Team" Then I still got to go with the Local Trade School. Go Tech! Oh and that'd Be Georgia, not Texas

Wasn't Texas A&M second one year with a turbo 1.8 Miata?

Nope

I thought Texas A&M finished 2nd in 2015.

I was happy with the way the 2015 turned out ...... just sayin' ..... :-)

If the Smithettes needs any help, PM us....

If I were them, I'd call my team the smithereens. Just sayin.

sesto elemento
sesto elemento SuperDork
6/24/17 2:57 a.m.

I should have mentioned sooner that I'm in Northampton and would be happy to help in any way I can. Message me if you want.

DeanCase
DeanCase New Reader
6/24/17 7:29 a.m.

In reply to SVreX:

THANK YOU!

DeanCase
DeanCase New Reader
6/24/17 7:33 a.m.

In reply to sesto elemento:

The Smithereens is a singing group at Smith College -- that predates the 80's band. For the students, the preferred term is "Smithie".

Ovid_and_Flem
Ovid_and_Flem HalfDork
6/24/17 7:36 a.m.

Smithie it is

Woohoo! They're halfway to their gofundme goal.

Ovid_and_Flem
Ovid_and_Flem HalfDork
6/24/17 7:41 a.m.
DeanCase wrote: In reply to SVreX: THANK YOU!

The Mumpkin Miata has a distinguished and lengthy Challenge history.

SVreX
SVreX MegaDork
6/25/17 11:17 a.m.
DeanCase wrote: In reply to SVreX: THANK YOU!

You're welcome (but I haven't heard back from them)

Ovid_and_Flem
Ovid_and_Flem HalfDork
6/28/17 12:09 p.m.

Smithies over half way to their gofundme goal!!!

C'mon ladies. WHERE'S YOUR BUILD THREAD?

maschinenbau
maschinenbau HalfDork
6/28/17 12:43 p.m.
Ovid_and_Flem wrote: Smithies over half way to their gofundme goal!!! C'mon ladies. WHERE'S YOUR BUILD THREAD?

I'm selfishly holding out on donating until I have another build thread to follow

Speaking of which, where is that other college team's build thread? ...paging Georgia Tech...

Ovid_and_Flem
Ovid_and_Flem HalfDork
6/28/17 12:50 p.m.

In reply to maschinenbau:

And Texas A&M....

Ovid_and_Flem
Ovid_and_Flem HalfDork
7/3/17 6:54 p.m.

Rumour has it that the Smithies have acquired a mazda of sorts and have begun on the cage

Watch out GA Tech....they're gaining...

Pete Gossett
Pete Gossett MegaDork
7/4/17 10:09 a.m.

In reply to Ovid_and_Flem:

MrJoshua
MrJoshua UltimaDork
7/4/17 10:24 a.m.

Smith-That's a serious cage-plans for the car after the challenge?

GTXVette
GTXVette Dork
7/4/17 12:07 p.m.

Interesting way to wear a helmet.

mck1117
mck1117 Reader
7/4/17 1:55 p.m.

Obligatory friendly competition post:

Wreck Racing thinks that the engine is in the wrong end.

Pretend that turbo isn't there. You saw nothing.

SVreX
SVreX MegaDork
7/4/17 3:40 p.m.

The solution to keeping the trans subframe in the car is always more power.

mck1117
mck1117 Reader
7/5/17 3:08 a.m.

In reply to SVreX:

Don't worry, we've used more glue, rivets, and bolts. We did a full day of testing and the transmission didn't try to escape a single time!

Ovid_and_Flem
Ovid_and_Flem HalfDork
7/5/17 6:29 p.m.

Smithies are now live over in the build forum

tripp
tripp Reader
7/8/17 9:02 a.m.

I would suggest they have a donation box at the challange also. A few beers will likely open some wallets at the event

DrBoost
DrBoost MegaDork
7/8/17 9:40 a.m.

I haven't read all the comments here, but I don't disagree with Evil completely. Years ago I was teaching high-school. My students were mostly dirt-poor. $2,000 is a LOT of money to them, more than most of their folks made in a month before taxes. We wanted to build a car and race. Did we do a gofundme page? No. No begging for us. We figured out how to raise money and that was what we did for lots of saturday and afternoon "work sessions". We got permission to sell water and ice cream at AROC autocrosses and even Milan Dragway! We dragged a parts car into the back lot at school and students (and faculty) paid to whack the car with a sledge hammer. We did anything we could do to earn a buck, we had $5,000+ of them to earn.
It was amazing for me to see these kids determined to do what was necessary to build and race a car, even when that wasn't working on the car. Some of those students keep in touch with me to this day and say how awesome it was. Many of them still talk about crunching numbers to figure out how much a Bomb Pop should cost, taking into consideration dry ice and fuel to get to where we were going.
I hope the Smith folks make it, I hope to see them this year. I hope this is a great experience for them and hope it helps direct where their careers take them, but I'd be more enthused if there were no handouts being asked for. Gotta work for what you want.
Interesting GRM discussion of GFM
And this image doesn't compel me to give you money. I need help more than you do if your shop looks like this
[flame suit on]

dean1484
dean1484 MegaDork
7/8/17 10:29 a.m.

Well ain't this a stickey wicket. DrBoost I see your point. No flame suit necessary. I for one welcome viewpoints that are well thaught out concise and most importantly not a personal attack.

I happen to not disagree with you. Now the other side of this is I have three daughters and seeing these girls doing this hits a little close to home. For starters girls up until recently have been the minority's in the engineering field. Add to that a bent towards automotive and the opertunitys have been extremely limited. So although I see your point I also really want to see the Smithies make it there simply because I have seen my daughters fight the glass ceiling.

Another point that I have to remember is that the gofundme thing is a relitivly new thing that is scocially excepted by the younger generation. For my generation it is not. So while I whole hardidly agree the TeamEvil was completely out of line there is going to be a fair number of those that will not disagree with you DrBoost.

People are not going to like this but that is the way it is. The gofundme thing is a pollerizing debate. Its acceptance or hatred is derived from personal experience. Social economic background. Political beliefs. All of these are things that will influence how one feels about this.

I think that the debate has now been had. Both sides have made there case and no one is going to change so there is no further point in trying to convince anyone of anything. It is simple really those that want to donate will. Those that don't want to will not. People's money is there own and how they decide to send it is there choice.

DeanCase
DeanCase New Reader
7/11/17 12:15 a.m.

For the record, the GoFundme page was my recommendation to the students. The $2017 GRM Challenge is many things to many people. I feel that it is different for student teams on multiple levels. The purpose of FSAE and SAE Baja is NOT to determine who can build the best race car. It is to showcase the engineering talents of students in front of people who can hire them. I was sincerely hoping that companies who hire engineers would sign up at the $400 resume book level. Two companies have done just that, while many other people simply felt they wanted to support a rookie team.

alfadriver
alfadriver MegaDork
7/11/17 6:51 a.m.

In reply to DrBoost:

Dumb question- what's the real difference between a go-fund-me fund raising effort and a bake sale?

Both of them are asking people to give you money for something so that you can go out and do something.

Honestly, when it comes down to it, selling water at our autocrosses and a go-fund-me thing do exactly the same thing in exactly the same way. You convince people to pay you money for something that they could have gotten cheaper in the interest of raising money for a project.

Going and scrounging parts to raise money- that's part of the challenge. Incorporated into the budget.

I see no problem with anyone doing a Gofundme for a challenge car. It takes a tradition bake sale and puts in across the entire country.

alfadriver
alfadriver MegaDork
7/11/17 6:52 a.m.
DeanCase wrote: For the record, the GoFundme page was my recommendation to the students. The $2017 GRM Challenge is many things to many people. I feel that it is different for student teams on multiple levels. The purpose of FSAE and SAE Baja is NOT to determine who can build the best race car. It is to showcase the engineering talents of students in front of people who can hire them. I was sincerely hoping that companies who hire engineers would sign up at the $400 resume book level. Two companies have done just that, while many other people simply felt they wanted to support a rookie team.

Please remind them to apply for auto industry jobs. I've already sent my contact information to them.

DrBoost
DrBoost MegaDork
7/11/17 8:41 a.m.
alfadriver wrote: In reply to DrBoost: Dumb question- what's the real difference between a go-fund-me fund raising effort and a bake sale? Both of them are asking people to give you money for something so that you can go out and do something. Honestly, when it comes down to it, selling water at our autocrosses and a go-fund-me thing do exactly the same thing in exactly the same way. You convince people to pay you money for something that they could have gotten cheaper in the interest of raising money for a project. Going and scrounging parts to raise money- that's part of the challenge. Incorporated into the budget. I see no problem with anyone doing a Gofundme for a challenge car. It takes a tradition bake sale and puts in across the entire country.

There's a few differences. One gives the 'donator' a tangible good. It's selling something versus simply asking for money. Selling goods at races and race tracks means the students have to learn how to approach the public, building communication skills and developes an enterprising spirit. A GFM page is a handful of clicks to set it up, and a mass e-mail with a link in the body.
One teaches face-to-face communication, the other is a cyber hand-out. One builds character, the other doesn't seen to do that, in my opinion.
I know times are changing, and this is part of it. Maybe that makes me an old cermudgeon, but I like to see folks work for what they want.
My students got a LOT out of our fundraising efforts and they loved doing it. If I were doing it again, that's the road I'd go down.

DeanCase
DeanCase New Reader
7/11/17 8:52 a.m.

In reply to DrBoost:

Of course if you look at this particular GoFundMe page, you'll see that they have benefits of support ranging from T-shirts to resume books. Not all GoFundMe programs are the same.

DeanCase
DeanCase New Reader
7/11/17 8:56 a.m.

In reply to DrBoost:

A quick search of GoFundMe for "Formula SAE" generates 808 results. This is a standard procedure for educational engineering projects in 2017.

David S. Wallens
David S. Wallens Editorial Director
7/11/17 9:30 a.m.

Here's how I look at GoFundMe requests, charities, bike ride fund raisers, political campaign donations and the like: If I support what you're doing and believe in the cause, I'll donate some money. If not, I move along.

Ovid_and_Flem
Ovid_and_Flem HalfDork
7/11/17 9:43 a.m.

In reply to DeanCase and David S, Wallens:

Well said. This has degenerated into two camps arguing about the gofundme model. I agree some gofundme solicitations are superficial and selfish. I think Smith"s is worthwhile. I have already contributed to Smith. I'll plan give more. As I have with another challenge project. Where was the indignant outrage on that project?

And for the poster that felt Smith's tiny pristine machine shop was too nice....I would venture a guess GA Tech's facilities are a tad nicer. And bigger.

Let's all get back to the really important thing. Let's make the Smith engineering student team feel welcome in the GRM community.

alfadriver
alfadriver MegaDork
7/11/17 11:09 a.m.
DrBoost wrote: There's a few differences. One gives the 'donator' a tangible good. It's selling something versus simply asking for money. Selling goods at races and race tracks means the students have to learn how to approach the public, building communication skills and developes an enterprising spirit. A GFM page is a handful of clicks to set it up, and a mass e-mail with a link in the body. One teaches face-to-face communication, the other is a cyber hand-out. One builds character, the other doesn't seen to do that, in my opinion. I know times are changing, and this is part of it. Maybe that makes me an old cermudgeon, but I like to see folks work for what they want. My students got a LOT out of our fundraising efforts and they loved doing it. If I were doing it again, that's the road I'd go down.

On your first point- every Gofundme that I've seen, either giving or not giving money, had a tangible good that I got. I got a great cake, a wonderful dinner, and I see that this program has stuff that you get.

So for that point, a bake sale and this gofundme are identical.

The other point, I can see that. But one can argue that most of the modern economy is internet based, so if you can communicate your point well, perhaps you can sell your product over the internet. It seems that gofundme is easy, and no work. But how hard was it to go to Kroger, buy two cases of water for $5, and sell them for $1/bottle? That's not hard, either. The degree of work is very relative.

SVreX
SVreX MegaDork
7/11/17 2:30 p.m.

I like both Gofundme AND water bottles. The point is networking, not HOW you network.

I would also like to see some of them check into THIS thread. I keep coming back hoping one if them will participate in the conversation. None have.

There is no one more interested in their participation in the GRM Challenge then people on this forum.

It's too bad. It's another great networking opportunity. Like Gofundme and water bottles.

mck1117
mck1117 Reader
7/11/17 2:58 p.m.

In reply to Ovid_and_Flem:

Ours is a little bit bigger, yes, but not nearly as pristine. We're good at making a mess, and we share the shop with FSAE, Baja SAE, Solar Car, Ecocar, and some others.

The difference is, we're funded by corporate sponsors, in addition to receiving funding from the school.

But it hasn't always been that way. We started out in a founding member's mom's garage. Took us a few years to convince the Powers That Be to care.

We're happy to see another college throwing their hat in the ring, and we're willing to help out however we can.

Ovid_and_Flem
Ovid_and_Flem HalfDork
7/11/17 3:27 p.m.

In reply to mck1117:

Thanks for chiming in, mck. I think the small engineering school at Smith has fewer than 25 students. You got to give them credit for tackling this.

If you know and if you can share, out of curiosity how much is your total budget received from corporate sponsors and the school? Must cost a fortune to send your big crew down to Gainesville for the challenge. You guys have 20+ people on your team. I always enjoy seeing Georgia Tech's entries. Keep up the good work!

FWIW Smith receives zero direct funding from their school.

GTXVette
GTXVette Dork
7/11/17 3:56 p.m.

In reply to Ovid_and_Flem:

then someone really needs to Show them (The School) what is going on, Perhaps the school Alumni really thinks Girls Should be wives and Homemakers,ya know like before,but with an education, So's Da Man Child's can Grow up to be Productive.HA! Serious. I do not Feel that way. Heck My Mother Graduated from NorthWestern,Was A Hygenist and worked and raised 4, My Dad Graduated Air Force (WWII) and Played Golf.Lol

Ya Know Tejus hasn't Chimed in yet Either,

Oh and by the way

GO TECH!

Ovid_and_Flem
Ovid_and_Flem HalfDork
7/11/17 4:05 p.m.

In reply to GTXVette:

Considering Gloria Steinem, Gertrude Well, Blanche Ames and Betty Friedan are Smith grads, probably not a a school offering MRS degrees

GTXVette
GTXVette Dork
7/11/17 5:12 p.m.

Oh Wait that was UGA

ghackenberg
ghackenberg New Reader
7/11/17 5:56 p.m.

The Smith team is happy to answer some of the questions that have come up in this thread about our school and our project! Smith College does receive big donations which allows for a fantastic quality of education as well as scholarships and financial aid for most students. For me, it was actually cheaper to go to Smith than my local state school! We are not receiving any funding from the school or the engineering department for this project. The engineering program has generously given us part time access to the machine shop, faculty advice and guidance, and they have offered us half of an outdoor loading dock as temporary "garage space" for the project. We don't have automotive tools. So we are fundraising for parts, tools, and transportation costs. I hope that clears up some of the concerns. If anyone has questions or comments for us, feel free to send us an email at smithcollegeracing@gmail.com. We look forward to meeting many of you at the track!

DrBoost
DrBoost MegaDork
7/11/17 7:50 p.m.

I'm in the minority here it appears.
What I've learned from this thread makes me want to go listen to a Mike Rowe podcast for some reason.....
to be clear, I'm glad the folks from Smith are throwing their hats in the ring, and I hope they have as much fun as I've had at the challenge.

And I hope I beat them. I say that the in the most good-natured way possible.

Ovid_and_Flem
Ovid_and_Flem HalfDork
7/11/17 8:12 p.m.

In reply to DrBoost:

At least you displayed tact and class in voicing your opinion.

DrBoost
DrBoost MegaDork
7/11/17 11:38 p.m.
Ovid_and_Flem wrote: In reply to DrBoost: At least you displayed tact and class in voicing your opinion.

Thank you. I always try to do that, I don't always succeed

GTXVette
GTXVette Dork
7/12/17 6:43 a.m.

And I am just Trying to be "Cute" and have some Fun, I get the Feeling I Miss my Mark.

I truely wish you Girls the Very Best, And offer any help I can.

Ya'll Call Snap-on I belive they Offer a Loaner Tool Program For Schools. Pretty sure they did where I went to A&P School and I do Know they Offer A Major Discount when We Bought tools to Go Into the Field.

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