Word of the Day: Ghost in the Shell

Was that a garbage truck catching air? And something looking like a futuristic take on an Alfa Romeo SZ sliding into home? Welcome to “Ghost in the Shell,” Shirow Masamune’s 1995 anime classic. It’s as aesthetically beautiful as it is violent. (You’ve been warned.)
  

 

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red_stapler
red_stapler SuperDork
1/30/20 8:28 a.m.

Batou is 100% a car enthusaist.  

 

AND, the voice acting in the English dub has more impact than the original Japanese, fight me.

Colin Wood
Colin Wood Associate Editor
1/30/20 8:47 a.m.

In reply to red_stapler :

I know watching with subs is "more authentic," but it's just easier to watch and enjoy dubbed.

Besides, the dubs are way better now than they used to be back in the day.

JoeyM
JoeyM Mod Squad
1/30/20 8:48 a.m.

In reply to David S. Wallens :

I still have my VHS copy from college

Strike_Zero
Strike_Zero UltraDork
1/30/20 8:54 a.m.

In reply to red_stapler :

For this anime . . . I agree 100%. The english voice acting is awesome.

NickD
NickD PowerDork
1/30/20 9:06 a.m.

Grassroots AnimeSports? I like.

I've noticed that Mazda in particular seems to throw a lot of advertising bucks at anime studios. I can't count how many movies where you watch and every other car on the road is a generic blob but then there'll be a perfectly drawn FD3S RX-7 or all the billboards are for fictional products but then there'll be a billboard for Mazda Proceed pickup. I know the best example I can think of currently is Summer Wars. Every car is like a GTA car, but the one character has a police RX7 that is drawn correct down to the last detail.

mad_machine
mad_machine MegaDork
1/30/20 9:43 a.m.

sorry, I can't stand dubs. I got pretty good at understanding Japanese after more than a few years of watching Anime. As for Ghost in the Shell, I absolutely loved the music of the movie, harmoniously eerie. 

There are also more than a few spin offs too. All are equally as good

Appleseed
Appleseed MegaDork
1/30/20 9:44 a.m.

The tv show, Stand Alone Complex, was fantastic as well. 

mad_machine
mad_machine MegaDork
1/30/20 9:47 a.m.

The mini series "ghost in the shell - Arise" was also very good.

David S. Wallens
David S. Wallens Editorial Director
1/30/20 9:53 a.m.

FWIW, I almost scrubbed this one at the last minute for fear of it being too out there. 

slowbird
slowbird Dork
1/30/20 10:02 a.m.

Oh man, y'all would love Gunsmith Cats.

 

NickD
NickD PowerDork
1/30/20 10:12 a.m.
mad_machine said:

The mini series "ghost in the shell - Arise" was also very good.

I also enjoyed Arise and The New Movie. The live action one, eh. Stylistically, I felt like they nailed it. Scarlett Johansen looked exactly like Major, the guy playing Batou was a dead ringer, the city and cars and general art direction was perfect. But it just seemed to lack the spark, the soul, of Ghost In The Shell. 

aw614
aw614 Reader
1/30/20 10:17 a.m.

I've only watched standalone complex, really need to watch the earlier movies. 

The0retical
The0retical UberDork
1/30/20 10:36 a.m.

red_stapler said:

Batou is 100% a car enthusaist.  

Guaranteed.

GITS.SAC seasons 1 and 2 are very nearly as good as the first movie. I didn't care for the second movie and Arise was just ok.

The live action movie was just sort of there. It copied the style, but the director, writers, and producers simply didn't seem to understand what made Ghost in the Shell what it is.

Gearheadotaku
Gearheadotaku UltimaDork
1/30/20 11:07 a.m.

Yep watched the first ghost in the Shell at a theatre, it was pretty cool. Any thoughts on Dominion Tank Police? It predates Ghost, and the art shows Shirows style coming together.

Gunsmith Cats? One of my favorites! Read the manga, it's super detailed when it comes to cars and guns. I actually met Sonoda at an anime con and have his autogragh.

The0retical
The0retical UberDork
1/30/20 11:38 a.m.

As a side note: We all know who the best characters in the series are.

 

Strike_Zero
Strike_Zero UltraDork
1/30/20 11:44 a.m.

In reply to mad_machine :

I'm a subs before dubs type as well. The english voice dubs for GITS are shockingly outstanding. They matched the lip flaps and delivered excellent performances for the characters. I could watch either for GITS and would be happy. Another would be FLCL . . . The dub is actually better than the sub.

Now . . . I know you would appreciate this . . . Bubblegum Crisis dub? HARD PASS! Subs all the way.

NickD
NickD PowerDork
1/30/20 11:46 a.m.
Strike_Zero said:

In reply to mad_machine :

I'm a subs before dubs type as well. The english voice dubs for GITS are shockingly outstanding. They matched the lip flaps and delivered excellent performances for the characters. I could watch either for GITS and would be happy. Another would be FLCL . . . The dub is actually better than the sub.

Now . . . I know you would appreciate this . . . Bubblegum Crisis dub? HARD PASS! Subs all the way.

Gundam 00 has great dubs. Gundam SEED dubs, good god, no. Also, the American TV edit was shockingly terrible. Like handguns that shot rainbows. Seriously.

fatallightning
fatallightning Reader
1/30/20 12:04 p.m.

Although not a very good movie, the live action movie had a couple pair of cool Lotus's.

 

 

 

mad_machine
mad_machine MegaDork
1/30/20 12:08 p.m.
Strike_Zero said:

In reply to mad_machine :

I'm a subs before dubs type as well. The english voice dubs for GITS are shockingly outstanding. They matched the lip flaps and delivered excellent performances for the characters. I could watch either for GITS and would be happy. Another would be FLCL . . . The dub is actually better than the sub.

Now . . . I know you would appreciate this . . . Bubblegum Crisis dub? HARD PASS! Subs all the way.

and if you know the subbed version of BGC.. you know where I get my user name.

noddaz
noddaz SuperDork
1/30/20 12:14 p.m.

This IS "out there".

But that is ok.  Ghost in the Shell is good stuff.

burdickjp
burdickjp Reader
1/30/20 12:32 p.m.
NickD said:

I also enjoyed Arise and The New Movie. The live action one, eh. Stylistically, I felt like they nailed it. Scarlett Johansen looked exactly like Major, the guy playing Batou was a dead ringer, the city and cars and general art direction was perfect. But it just seemed to lack the spark, the soul, of Ghost In The Shell. 

I think you're the only other person I've heard who had anything good to say about Scarlett Johansen playing the Major. I don't understand people complaining about whitewashing a white actor playing a robot. I thought she did wonderful in it.

fatallightning
fatallightning Reader
1/30/20 12:45 p.m.
burdickjp said:
NickD said:

I also enjoyed Arise and The New Movie. The live action one, eh. Stylistically, I felt like they nailed it. Scarlett Johansen looked exactly like Major, the guy playing Batou was a dead ringer, the city and cars and general art direction was perfect. But it just seemed to lack the spark, the soul, of Ghost In The Shell. 

I think you're the only other person I've heard who had anything good to say about Scarlett Johansen playing the Major. I don't understand people complaining about whitewashing a white actor playing a robot. I thought she did wonderful in it.

I thought she did fine. I think it's also nebulous if the Majors shell in the 95 film is even Asian or Caucasian. 

matthewmcl
matthewmcl New Reader
1/30/20 1:00 p.m.

One more vote for subtitles, but I have watched so many subtitled shows it does not even register.

If you want fun with detail on "lesser known" cars, watch You're Under Arrest.

It is also fun because one of the main characters is a gearhead doing modifications like swapping a DOHC head onto a SOHC motor and adding nitrous, or putting a tuned motorcycle motor into an old kei car.

Matthew

shane86
shane86 New Reader
1/30/20 2:54 p.m.
slowbird said:

Oh man, y'all would love Gunsmith Cats.

 

Gunsmith Cats is amazing in it's car chases, and JUST got a full Bluray 1080P release through a kickstarter.
It's Goregeous. 

shane86
shane86 New Reader
1/30/20 3:01 p.m.

In reply to fatallightning :

ScarJo did "ok"  

But on the case of whitewashing, etc.. in the setting of the story, it's post WWIII, and japan is fiercely nationalistic and as strong as it is post war thanks to it's developments in cyberization. I feel it would be low-likelyhood that a japanese national living and operating in japan would opt for a caucasian face in that environment, especially in a role that a foreginer would not likely be welcome in/create unnecssiary predispostion conflict.  

I mean, you just won a war aginst the american empire, and suddenly a white-caucasion cop wants to have a chat with a veteran? That's going to go great.

Granted, nothing in the live-action film actually addresses this, but you could see how it may cause conflicts with people (excessively) familar with the source material. (like me)

shane86
shane86 New Reader
1/30/20 3:07 p.m.

In reply to David S. Wallens :

I'm liking this Anime word of the day game :D

On GitS, i'm a big enough dork to have imported the Limited Platinum Edition LASERDISC box set. yeah. Imported.  

If this one wasn't on your radar, it's a fun 6ep+movie romp called Ex-Driver:
https://youtu.be/xTJDN5ab6cI?t=357  

In the future, we've got AI self driving cars everywhere! but... they're buggy. and kinda go off and runnaway (skynet sentience trying to break through?)  
Anway.. someone's gotta stop these things, so why not chase them down with an array of sweet ass vintage cars Such as a Lotus Elan, Lotus Super 7, Subaru 22B WRC, and for good measure, a Lancia Stratos. While the animation's a bit dated by today's standards, the vehicle details are fantasic. 

NickD
NickD PowerDork
1/30/20 3:08 p.m.
fatallightning said:
burdickjp said:
NickD said:

I also enjoyed Arise and The New Movie. The live action one, eh. Stylistically, I felt like they nailed it. Scarlett Johansen looked exactly like Major, the guy playing Batou was a dead ringer, the city and cars and general art direction was perfect. But it just seemed to lack the spark, the soul, of Ghost In The Shell. 

I think you're the only other person I've heard who had anything good to say about Scarlett Johansen playing the Major. I don't understand people complaining about whitewashing a white actor playing a robot. I thought she did wonderful in it.

I thought she did fine. I think it's also nebulous if the Majors shell in the 95 film is even Asian or Caucasian. 

I get that its based off Japanese source material but Major does not look distinctly Japanese. In fact, look at a lot of anime characters, a good percentage of them distinctly do not look Japanese. So I have no issue with caucasian actors playing anime characters in live action adaptations, as long as they look like the character. Now, their decision to make Borma a black guy in the live action GITS, that was an odd one. Although Borma was barely in the film, in fact I don't think they ever even say his name. Too bad, because Borma is one of my favorites.

And now we are really getting out there with this discussion.

Strike_Zero
Strike_Zero UltraDork
1/30/20 7:37 p.m.
matthewmcl said:

One more vote for subtitles, but I have watched so many subtitled shows it does not even register.

If you want fun with detail on "lesser known" cars, watch You're Under Arrest.

It is also fun because one of the main characters is a gearhead doing modifications like swapping a DOHC head onto a SOHC motor and adding nitrous, or putting a tuned motorcycle motor into an old kei car.

Matthew

Another good one!

mad_machine
mad_machine MegaDork
1/30/20 9:52 p.m.
Strike_Zero said:
matthewmcl said:

One more vote for subtitles, but I have watched so many subtitled shows it does not even register.

If you want fun with detail on "lesser known" cars, watch You're Under Arrest.

It is also fun because one of the main characters is a gearhead doing modifications like swapping a DOHC head onto a SOHC motor and adding nitrous, or putting a tuned motorcycle motor into an old kei car.

Matthew

Another good one!

You're under arrest has the only known animation of a Lancia Delta Integrale in it too. (at least that I know of)

matthewmcl
matthewmcl New Reader
1/30/20 10:25 p.m.

In reply to mad_machine :

Awesome Lancia, but sadly the harness went to the floor behind the seat. Still, a lot of tuners made the same mistake back then, too.

Also gotta love the Moto Compo.

Matthew

Brett_Murphy
Brett_Murphy UltimaDork
1/30/20 11:01 p.m.
slowbird said:

Oh man, y'all would love Gunsmith Cats.

 

 

I mentioned to a friend that I'd picked up a CZ-75 and they asked, "Like in Gunsmith Cats?" and I had no idea what they were talking about. They explained what it was, but I didn't know it had car stuff in it, too.

NickD
NickD PowerDork
1/31/20 5:19 a.m.
mad_machine said:
Strike_Zero said:
matthewmcl said:

One more vote for subtitles, but I have watched so many subtitled shows it does not even register.

If you want fun with detail on "lesser known" cars, watch You're Under Arrest.

It is also fun because one of the main characters is a gearhead doing modifications like swapping a DOHC head onto a SOHC motor and adding nitrous, or putting a tuned motorcycle motor into an old kei car.

Matthew

Another good one!

You're under arrest has the only known animation of a Lancia Delta Integrale in it too. (at least that I know of)

Hard to find photos of, but the one pilot in Gundam 00, Neil Dylandy, had a Lancia 037 that showed up in an episode or two.

aw614
aw614 Reader
1/31/20 7:33 a.m.
matthewmcl said:

One more vote for subtitles, but I have watched so many subtitled shows it does not even register.

If you want fun with detail on "lesser known" cars, watch You're Under Arrest.

It is also fun because one of the main characters is a gearhead doing modifications like swapping a DOHC head onto a SOHC motor and adding nitrous, or putting a tuned motorcycle motor into an old kei car.

Matthew

From the few episodes I watched, I really enjoyed You're Under Arrest, I had posted a link, but kinda deleted thinking it may have been offtopic. But that anime is the reason why I knew about the motocampo. I've watched/read Oh My Goddess from the same author/creator, and he also introduced a lot of gearhead stuff into that series. I recall motocyle racing and the main character working on mechanical stuff. 

https://japanesenostalgiccar.com/jnc-theater-youre-under-arrest/

Strike_Zero
Strike_Zero UltraDork
1/31/20 9:54 a.m.
mad_machine
mad_machine MegaDork
1/31/20 5:40 p.m.

In reply to Strike_Zero :

Bingo! I think I wore those VHS tapes out I watched them so many times.

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