Yes, the New GTI Will Still Have a Manual Transmission

Volkswagen has unveiled the eighth generation of their iconic hot hatch, the GTI, at the Geneva Motor Show with more power, more features and more… styling than any previous version.

For the GTI, the big number is 245. As in 245 horsepower, a bump of nearly 30 from the seventh-generation model. Wheel packages range from standard 17s to optional 18s and 19s, and, yes, a traditional six-speed, stick-and-clutch manual will still be the standard transmission, and a seven-speed DSG will be optional.

The most controversial part of the new GTI will likely be the styling, which lowers the front grilles and headlight details compared to the current model. It’s bold, but could be divisive as well. Although it’s no Civic Type R, the GTI has traditionally made small styling updates from generation to generation, and while not objectively radical, this change seems like the most notable departure from previous models.

A GTE (Plug-in hybrid) and GTD (diesel) version will accompany the GTI in Europe, but these models will not be available in the U.S. We’ve driven both the seventh-generation GTE and GTD, though, and were fans, but we also understand that they’d go over like a kale milkshake in a country that is not embracing plug-ins or sporty diesels in great numbers.

The complete text of VW’s press release follows:

Wolfsburg, March 2020. It is important for an icon like the Golf GTI to evolve in order to cope with the march of progress. For 44 years, Volkswagen has been reinventing this sporty, compact-car icon while retaining the original concept. The eighth reinterpretation of the Golf GTI is now celebrating its debut. Newly designed and engineered, it is fully digitalized and networked. Put simply, it’s a Golf GTI that’s perfect for the modern era. 

The Golf GTI Mark 1 from 1976 has since evolved into a vehicle family. The first GTI was followed in 1982 by the first Golf GTD with a turbocharged diesel engine, and in 2014 by the first Golf GTE that featured a plug-in hybrid drivetrain. So it makes perfect sense that the new Golf GTD and Golf GTE are celebrating their world premières alongside the new Golf GTI. Three Golf variants, three characters, three efficient and clean drive systems—but one design philosophy.

GTI. The new Golf GTI is an agile, raw, efficient and high-tech compact sports car for the digital age, with 245 horsepower (180 kW). 

GTE. With an identical output of 245 hp, the new Golf GTE is just as powerful as the Golf GTI. The hybrid drivetrain is designed for sporting performance and combines electrical sustainability and zero-emissions range of around 37 miles (60 kilometers) with great dynamic performance. 

GTD. The new Golf GTD is a real endurance athlete. In this variant, an output of 200 hp (147 kW) has been coupled with very long range between refueling.


EXTERIOR
Dynamic front end. The design of the new, sporty Golf models is charismatic. The standard LED headlights are positioned low down and form a striking crossbar in conjunction with the radiator grille. Towards the top of the hood, a narrow line spans the front end—red in the case of the GTI, blue for the GTE and silver for the GTD.


Once the daytime running lights are activated, such as when the driver approaches with the key, an LED strip in the headlight mirrors the red, blue or silver line. As standard, the radiator grille is illuminated as a continuation of the LED strip for the first time. This creates the completely new, unmistakable headlight design of the Golf GTI, GTE and GTD


Another striking and unmistakable feature is the typically large, honeycomb-pattern one-piece lower air intake grille. It is framed on the outside by black applique, with a striking wing-like design on the sides. The new GTI insignia also include the optional foglights which are now integrated in an X-shape into the air intake grille.


The side profiles features the eye-catching, standard 17-inch Richmond aluminum-alloy wheels, unique to the GTI. Optional 18-inch or 19-inch rims are available. The brake calipers on the new, sporty Golf models are painted red. The GTI and GTD also carry a badge with their respective lettering on the side of the front fender. The GTE instead has a cover on the passenger side for charging the battery. All three models feature wider side skirts sills in black and a race-car-style splitter design. A spoiler extends the roof line at the back of the car. The dominant design element of the side section is the characteristic Golf C-post that visually propels the vehicle body forwards and transposes the iconic graphics of the original Golf and GTI into the modern era.


The new Golf has a powerful shoulder section and striking rear end design, with LED taillight clusters as standard. The GTI, GTE or GTD lettering is now positioned centrally under the Volkswagen emblem rather than on the driver side as it was previously. At the bottom, the sporty diffuser also distinguishes the new cars from the other Golfs. They are also differentiated by the exhaust tailpipes—the GTI has one tailpipe on the left and one on the right, the GTD has a double tailpipe on the left, and there is no tailpipe in sight on the GTE.


INTERIOR
Right from the outset, Volkswagen created distinctive, dynamic interior design with the multitude of details—the sport steering wheel featuring three silver double spokes and recessed Wolfsburg emblem, the golf ball shifter knob and tartan GTI sport seats.


Although Volkswagen is enhancing the digital and networking capabilities of the eighth-generation Golf to an unprecedented extent in order to future-proof the range, many of the classic details can still be found on board. However, the sport steering wheel of yesteryear has been transformed into a new multifunction leather sport steering wheel with touch controls and an available Travel Assist button to help the powerful Golf models reach a top speed of 130 mph while Travel Assist is engaged. 


The three silver spokes have been retained, with a red central spoke for the GTI, blue for the GTE and silver for the GTD. The classic plaid covering for the sport seats is also kept, but in a new checked design called Scalepaper. The seams of the gray and black design are red in the GTI, blue in the GTE and light grey in the GTD. Red, blue or black are also used for all decorative seams and edging, depending on the model.


The Innovision Cockpit extends upwards upon opening the doors in the Golf GTI, GTE and GTD. It is a fusion of the top-of-the-range version of the 10.25-inch Digital Cockpit and the 10-inch navigation system. The visual and functional blend of the two screens creates a new and consistent digital architecture. 


The background lighting, which also comes as standard, embeds the displays and all other illuminated interior areas (dash panel, door trim, storage compartment with interface for mobile telephone, footwell) in a spectrum of 30 configurable colors. The Golf GTI, which is equipped with a 6-speed manual gearbox as standard, features a brand new GTI shifter knob. The GTI is available with an optional, automatic 7-speed dual-clutch automatic transmission (DSG); the GTD comes exclusively with this DSG. The GTE features a 6-speed DSG developed for the hybrid drivetrain. The functionality of the standard start/stop button has been customized—once the doors have been opened, it pulses red until the drive system has been started.


STANDARD EQUIPMENT
In general, every new Golf is fitted with assist systems including the Lane Assist lane keeping system, Front Assist (Autonomous Emergency Braking with Pedestrian Monitoring), the XDS® electronic differential lock and Car2X (local communication with other vehicles and the traffic infrastructure). 


Standard digital instruments and an infotainment system have been designed to suit the mobile We Connect and We Connect Plus online services and functions that have been integrated here. Other standard features include the multifunction steering wheel, single-zone automatic climate control (Climatronic), the Press & Drive comfort start system, LED headlights, LED taillights, LED daytime running lights, LED reading lights and two USB-C ports. The cars all feature stainless-steel pedal covers.


On the exterior, the equipment is supplemented by the 17-inch aluminum-alloy wheels, the rear diffuser, roof spoiler, individualized tail pipes, red brake calipers and sill extensions. The GTI and GTD have a 0.6-inch lower sport suspension than a standard Golf. 


DRIVETRAINS
GTI.
The new Golf GTI is powered by an EA888 evo4 245-hp 2.0-litre turbocharged and direct injection four–cylinder engine. The maximum torque is 273 pound-feet (370 Nm). The four-cylinder engine is coupled with a 6-speed manual gearbox (MQ350) as standard. A 7-speed dual-clutch gearbox (DQ381 DSG) is available as an option.


GTE. The plug-in hybrid drivetrain consists of an EA211 150-horsepower 1.4-litre turbocharged engine, a 114-hp (85 kW) electric motor, a 6-speed DSG (DQ400e) and a new lithium-ion battery. The powertrain delivers a maximum power output of 245 hp (180 kW) and a maximum system torque of 295 lb-ft (400 Nm). Compared with its predecessor, the all-electric range has increased significantly to now around 37 miles (60 km). 


Volkswagen’s engineers have achieved the range increase by improving the Golf’s aerodynamics and managing to increase the energy content of the battery by 50 percent to 13 kWh. It can be driven at speeds of up to 81 mph in all-electric mode. When the battery is sufficiently charged, the Golf GTE always starts in all-electric E-MODE. The drive switches to Hybrid mode if the energy capacity of the battery drops below a certain level or if the speed rises above 81 mph. 


In Hybrid mode, the driver has the option of maintaining the state of charge using three symbols on the Infotainment screen (the equal sign “=”), increasing it (up arrow "↑”) or reducing it to a defined level (down arrow “↓”). This makes it possible to drive into the city under electric power and with zero emissions, even at the end of a longer journey. 


Whenever route guidance is active in the navigation system, the battery manager also predictively takes into account road and topographical data to ensure the set battery energy is available when you reach your destination. During this process, battery use is adapted on the basis of the route data in order to achieve an optimum electrical range.


GTD. The long-range sporty Golf features an EA288 evo series 2.0-litre, four-cylinder turbocharged diesel engine (TDI) with an output of 200 hp (147 kW) and 295 lb-ft of torque. As with all the turbocharged diesel engines in the new Golf, the GTD’s drive system is linked to two SCR catalytic converters with dual AdBlue injection to greatly reduce nitrogen oxide emissions compared with its predecessor. Volkswagen offers the Golf GTD with a 7-speed dual clutch gearbox (DQ381 DSG) as standard.
  

RUNNING GEAR
Volkswagen has developed and perfected the running gear of the Golf GTI, GTE and GTD with the combination of a strut-type front and a multi-link rear suspension. A new driving dynamics control system known as the Vehicle Dynamics Manager is used for the first time. The system controls both the XDS function and the lateral functionality of the DCC adaptive damping system, which is optional on the European car. 


The DCC system continuously reacts to the road surface and driving situation while taking account of steering, braking and acceleration inputs. The required damping is calculated for each wheel and adjusted at the four wheels within fractions of a second. Consequently, DCC always provides the highest level of driving comfort and ensures ideal driving dynamics in combination with the driving dynamics manager. 


In the latest DCC system, the vehicle setup can be extended in INDIVIDUAL mode to go beyond the existing range of the fixed COMFORT, ECO and SPORT modes. The driver can accurately set and store their personal driving profile using a digital slider. Beyond the COMFORT setting, the body is “decoupled” from the road surface as much as possible, thus boosting driving comfort. Beyond the SPORT setting, there is an extended range with maximum damping for minimized body movements and extremely direct handling for that unadulterated GTI, GTD and GTE feeling.

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mr2s2000elise
mr2s2000elise Dork
2/27/20 10:01 a.m.

I like the new design. I know like always, current owners are all hating on design. 
 

for me question is Will it be reliable ? 

ebelements
ebelements Reader
2/27/20 10:50 a.m.

Interior is pretty cool, and I'm glad they're keeping the manual!

However, those fog lights are a crime against the vision-unimpaired.

TJL
TJL HalfDork
2/27/20 10:55 a.m.

I think if i were VW id probably stay away from anything remotely looking like a swastica, like those fugly rims. 

Rons
Rons Reader
2/27/20 11:05 a.m.

Before I read this article I read a Canadian article that said Canada may get the plug-in. It's possible it may come due to CETA - Canada Europe Trade Agreement.

mr2s2000elise
mr2s2000elise Dork
2/27/20 11:09 a.m.

The plug in GTI is the GTE, right?

aw614
aw614 Reader
2/27/20 11:17 a.m.

I hope the clutch can take more than stock horsepower seeing as the last few generations, they all seem to slip with any increase in power...

Curious to see if they'll offer those seats in the US too. 

wspohn
wspohn Dork
2/27/20 11:34 a.m.

Nice to see some cars that still use manual boxes. Warranty is always a consideration for the manufacturers as there are fewer and fewer owners able to drive a manual properly.

The 6th speed would be great in a car with a peaky engine like an S2000, but unless (as I suspect) the 6th speed is a looong fuel saver ratio like the American cars with ratios down around 0.5-0.6, it isn't really necessary.

TGMF
TGMF HalfDork
2/27/20 11:49 a.m.

Interested to see the engine changes to attain the new ratings.  It's generally accepted the current gen car is significantly underrated. Did VW actually give this one more power, or simply re-asses the current rating? If it actually has more power, was it all software changes, or was there hardware?  Latter one being the key point, as stronger internals, or a bigger turbo, hopefully a stronger clutch, might be something worth holding out for.  Mixed feelings on the front end, might be better in person. 

docwyte
docwyte UberDork
2/27/20 12:31 p.m.

That interior alone is what made me buy my Mk7.5 Golf R vs waiting for the Mk8 R.  Way too much electronica for me and I've had issues with first model year VW's being reliable.

Gotta figure the R is going to have at least 320hp tho...

red_stapler
red_stapler SuperDork
2/27/20 12:35 p.m.
TGMF said:

Interested to see the engine changes to attain the new ratings.  It's generally accepted the current gen car is significantly underrated. Did VW actually give this one more power, or simply re-asses the current rating? If it actually has more power, was it all software changes, or was there hardware?  Latter one being the key point, as stronger internals, or a bigger turbo, hopefully a stronger clutch, might be something worth holding out for.  Mixed feelings on the front end, might be better in person. 

My Porsche guy said "Oh, they just put the Macan tune on it."

RX Reven'
RX Reven' SuperDork
2/27/20 2:31 p.m.

VW’s press release says “eighth re-interpretation” in the first paragraph.

That would make it the ninth generation…generation 1 + 8 new generations.

Nope, it’s a Mk8 so it’s the seventh re-interpretation.

They got the math wrong on the doors as well…should be two but they gave it four.

 

Brett_Murphy
Brett_Murphy MegaDork
2/27/20 2:45 p.m.
RX Reven' said:

 

They got the math wrong on the doors as well…should be two but they gave it four.

 

Nah. Four doors beat two doors in any car that's going to regularly carry people in the back seat. 

What kind of transmission control is that little lever thing? Didn't Jeep have those killing people for a while? 

They also didn't ditch the aggravating asymetrical wheels. All they have to do is make them regular five spokes, and it will be symmetrical on both sides, but NOOOOO....

Colin Wood
Colin Wood Associate Editor
2/27/20 3:11 p.m.

Since at least one person brought it up, here's a close-up of the transmission dongle:

Javelin
Javelin MegaDork
2/27/20 3:34 p.m.

What's up with the unibrow?

goingnowherefast
goingnowherefast Reader
2/27/20 3:45 p.m.

I know this won't happen, but I just wish they'd make this one a little more "hot" than previous versions. Considering the success of the Veloster N, and CTR I'd wager at least in the US, there is a lot of demand for a Jackal and Hyde that is just as track capable as it is practical. The interior looks great though IMHO. 

irish44j
irish44j MegaDork
2/27/20 4:20 p.m.

Looks fine, though I think the front end is a downgrade from the very handsome outgoing front-end and headlights, personally.  I think it looks way "less sporty" than the outgoing front end. And I prefer the lower/stack-mounted touchscreen display rather than it way up on the dash like that which requires a farther reach, but whatever. With all the other cars slapping on ridiculous vents and cosmetic features these days, I'm comparatively fine with these changes on the GTI. 25hp bump is the only change that really matters to me (wonder if VW will let me run that tune on my 2018 under warranty.....). 

It still kills me that VW continues making the stupid directional-style wheels and then just putting them on both sides. When I bought my 2018, the first thing I did (literally one week later) was get rid of the stupid wheels that point "forward" on one side and "backwards" on the other side. Maybe I'm just OCD or something, but that drives me crazy. Plus they're not attractive wheels going either direction. 

By the way: 245hp minus 220hp = 25hp, not "almost 30hp" lol.....

 

irish44j
irish44j MegaDork
2/27/20 4:22 p.m.

Also, I appreciate that the little "cell phone cubby" at the bottom of the center stack now has a light in it. It's always annoyed me that mine does not have a light there, sicne I usually have small stuff in there that I can't see at night.

Brotus7
Brotus7 HalfDork
2/27/20 6:54 p.m.

I dig the seats.  Hate the wheels.

I'd love my GTI (mk6) with 40 more hp, but not at the risk of clutch slip.

JG Pasterjak
JG Pasterjak Production/Art Director
2/27/20 7:57 p.m.
goingnowherefast said:

I know this won't happen, but I just wish they'd make this one a little more "hot" than previous versions. Considering the success of the Veloster N, and CTR I'd wager at least in the US, there is a lot of demand for a Jackal and Hyde that is just as track capable as it is practical. The interior looks great though IMHO. 

Then they start bumping into the Golf R, though. 245 is a tricky number, because it's kind oif in a no-man's land between the 215-ish hp hot hatches like the Mk7 and the Focus ST, and the mega-hot hatches like the Golf R and the Type R and, to a lesser extent, the Veloster N, which is underpowered but dynamically awesome. It will be interesting to see how the rest of the players adjust. Are we basically seeing 250 becoming the new 220?

By the way, I'm going to Germany in May, and I contacted VW for a press loaner. They weren't going to have any Mk8s in the fleet by then, but they're hooking me up with a Polo GTI. Pretty stoked to try that out, and feeling pretty good that, like the GTE and GTD, it's not going to cost me money when I fall in love then come back to the US.

irish44j
irish44j MegaDork
2/27/20 7:58 p.m.

I'll also say (because I didn't notice it initially) that I prefer the near-perfect analog gauges in the previous gen with only a center digital display. The gauges on my GTI are one of my favrite things in the car to look at. Not a huge fan of the fully-electronic gauge displays. They do look fairly cool (though not on par with the Audi cousins) but I don't feel like they're as crisp as real gauges, and just don't excite me at all. They actually look kinda cheap. 

The lack of climate control knobs is also on my "not a fan" list. I like to do that stuff by touch, not by having to look at a big touchscreen to select my HVAC settings. 

The more I look at this, the more I like my 2018 GTI, even with less power. The new one externally looks acceptable, but I really don't like the dash changes overall. 

But, I guess they had to add new toys when they took away the monster warranty that they were giving post-dieselgate (mine is 6year/72k bumper-to-bumper). Keep your toys, I'll take the bigger warranty as a selling feature. With the current warranty, I wouldn't even consider a VW. 

irish44j
irish44j MegaDork
2/27/20 8:03 p.m.
JG Pasterjak said:
 

Then they start bumping into the Golf R, though. 245 is a tricky number, because it's kind oif in a no-man's land between the 215-ish hp hot hatches like the Mk7 and the Focus ST, and the mega-hot hatches like the Golf R and the Type R and, to a lesser extent, the Veloster N, which is underpowered but dynamically awesome. It will be interesting to see how the rest of the players adjust. Are we basically seeing 250 becoming the new 220?

 

same issue Subaru had with the WRX vs the STi 2009+ years.....The WRX was actually faster in the 1/4 mile. Subaru rated the STi at 305 and the WRX at 265, but almost everyone figured out real fast that the WRX's real numbers were closer to 290 or so.....and you can bet it stole sales from the STi for $10k less and pretty much just as fast, without the diffs. 

The 225 on my Mk7 almost seems quaint these days. I mean, Honda Accords blow that away. Even 245 seems pretty average for a "performance' car these days, at least on paper. The GTI makes up for it with it's stellar handling and balance and brakes, to a good degree. 

Knurled.
Knurled. MegaDork
2/27/20 8:08 p.m.

GTE sounds intriguing.  I like the idea of a sporty-fast hybrid, I like the idea very much.

Teh E36 M3
Teh E36 M3 SuperDork
2/27/20 8:36 p.m.
mr2s2000elise said:

I like the new design. I know like always, current owners are all hating on design. 
 

for me question is Will it be reliable ? 

My 2015 - first year of the mk7 mind you, has been dead nuts reliable. And an unmitigated pleasure to drive. 

Teh E36 M3
Teh E36 M3 SuperDork
2/27/20 8:46 p.m.

Also for those looking for more power- check out the APR website. It is very descriptive about claimed vs actual factory horsepower and actually bases their gains on actual numbers, not factory reported. I haven't done stage one yet but iirc it's +96 hp max gain with no hardware changes. And carb legal. 

vwcorvette
vwcorvette UltraDork
2/27/20 8:47 p.m.

Two doors too many. Period.

Teh E36 M3
Teh E36 M3 SuperDork
2/27/20 8:48 p.m.

A two seater with four doors is weird. I'll grant you that, but I don't get the four door hate. 

goingnowherefast
goingnowherefast Reader
2/28/20 10:19 a.m.
JG Pasterjak said:
goingnowherefast said:

I know this won't happen, but I just wish they'd make this one a little more "hot" than previous versions. Considering the success of the Veloster N, and CTR I'd wager at least in the US, there is a lot of demand for a Jackal and Hyde that is just as track capable as it is practical. The interior looks great though IMHO. 

Then they start bumping into the Golf R, though. 245 is a tricky number, because it's kind oif in a no-man's land between the 215-ish hp hot hatches like the Mk7 and the Focus ST, and the mega-hot hatches like the Golf R and the Type R and, to a lesser extent, the Veloster N, which is underpowered but dynamically awesome. It will be interesting to see how the rest of the players adjust. Are we basically seeing 250 becoming the new 220?

Clarification: When I say more "hot" I'm not talking about more power. The CTR and Veloster N are dynamically better driving cars with tons of time put into making them track worthy. The CTR and Veloster N clocked in 11 second, and 7 second faster lap times (respectively) than the MK7 GTI w/ PP at C&D's Lightening Lap. Those cars will also do that all day, driven hard, without issue. 

 

I just want a little pizazz with my hot hatches like the CTR has with it's extraordinary performance and the Veloster N has with it's playfulness and exhaust noises. 

docwyte
docwyte UberDork
2/28/20 11:30 a.m.

The CTR is the performance king of the hot hatches and I just don't care because it's so damn ugly.  Plus the dealers are price gouging for them. 

To a certain extent I could care less what the lap times are, it's not how I use the car.  I use it as my DD and the Golf R is a much better DD than the CTR, Veloster N, Focus RS, etc. 

red_stapler
red_stapler SuperDork
2/28/20 1:43 p.m.
goingnowherefast said:

Clarification: When I say more "hot" I'm not talking about more power. The CTR and Veloster N are dynamically better driving cars with tons of time put into making them track worthy. The CTR and Veloster N clocked in 11 second, and 7 second faster lap times (respectively) than the MK7 GTI w/ PP at C&D's Lightening Lap. Th

The GTI could close the gap pretty significantly with both of those examples if it came with the Veloster's PZ4 or similar hero tires.

Let's not forget that the CTR is like $10000 more expensive than a GTI.

goingnowherefast
goingnowherefast Reader
2/28/20 2:11 p.m.
red_stapler said:
goingnowherefast said:

Clarification: When I say more "hot" I'm not talking about more power. The CTR and Veloster N are dynamically better driving cars with tons of time put into making them track worthy. The CTR and Veloster N clocked in 11 second, and 7 second faster lap times (respectively) than the MK7 GTI w/ PP at C&D's Lightening Lap. Th

The GTI could close the gap pretty significantly with both of those examples if it came with the Veloster's PZ4 or similar hero tires.

Let's not forget that the CTR is like $10000 more expensive than a GTI.

Oh I think it could too. Some better tires, some more vehicle dynamics tuning to make it more playful, and an active exhaust would do wonders. Also an Autobahn GTI w/ DSG is $38,105 MSRP, so while it's more expensive than a base GTI, I think it's still worth mentioning considering some trims of the GTI are more expensive still. 

Brett_Murphy
Brett_Murphy MegaDork
2/28/20 2:45 p.m.

CTR is also manual only.  The DSG in the GTI is better. (fight me!)

irish44j
irish44j MegaDork
2/28/20 5:38 p.m.
goingnowherefast said:
red_stapler said:
goingnowherefast said:

Clarification: When I say more "hot" I'm not talking about more power. The CTR and Veloster N are dynamically better driving cars with tons of time put into making them track worthy. The CTR and Veloster N clocked in 11 second, and 7 second faster lap times (respectively) than the MK7 GTI w/ PP at C&D's Lightening Lap. Th

The GTI could close the gap pretty significantly with both of those examples if it came with the Veloster's PZ4 or similar hero tires.

Let's not forget that the CTR is like $10000 more expensive than a GTI.

Oh I think it could too. Some better tires, some more vehicle dynamics tuning to make it more playful, and an active exhaust would do wonders. Also an Autobahn GTI w/ DSG is $38,105 MSRP, so while it's more expensive than a base GTI, I think it's still worth mentioning considering some trims of the GTI are more expensive still. 

MSRP on VWs laugh

My GTI SE (basically the autobahn without leather and maybe a few other dumb little things) was under $26k out the door (taxes, tag, etc). Nobody is marking up GTIs (especially 6MT). Even Civic Si's were going for $4-5k more around here - same year, same general options. Hell, for the same price as most CSi's in this area, I could have bought a Golf R (several of those I found that would have been under $34k out the door). 

MSRP only matters for cars that actually sell for MSRP. In my shopping experience, that usually isn't VW. 

mr2s2000elise
mr2s2000elise Dork
2/28/20 5:42 p.m.

No idea about GTI, but civic Si here sell for 1500-2000 under msrp and CTR can be had 900 over msrp 

einy
einy HalfDork
2/28/20 8:10 p.m.

Dig the updated looks, hate the wheels though.  Just fargin’ fugly,, those.

wheelsmithy
wheelsmithy UltraDork
3/1/20 9:57 a.m.

I kind of like this new "Sam the Eagle" styling trend.

Definitely beats the "Predator" styling trend we've been stuck in for the last decade or so.

 

Error404
Error404 Reader
3/1/20 10:15 a.m.

Not bad, considering it's 2020.

The front isn't terribly uber-aggressive or swoopy, which is nice (wheels excepted). The cockpit isn't bad, although touchscreens should never be standard equipment. The gear shifter thing is just weird and I'm inclined to say stupid. What's wrong with their rendering software at VW, they keep showing these with twice the number of doors, seems like an elaborate joke to me but they really should find this prankster.

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