You Need This: Exocet, Exocet, Exocet!

This Exocet gets super bonus points for the black steelies. Power comes from a 1.8-liter Miata engine. Asking price? $16,000.

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Kreb
Kreb UltraDork
7/13/17 11:07 a.m.

Very cool, except the black steelies probably weigh more than the stock wheels. And do you really need a big rear wing with only 140 HP?

kazoospec
kazoospec SuperDork
7/13/17 11:25 a.m.

Wow. Pretty sure you couldn't build that car, parts only, for $16K.

81cpcamaro
81cpcamaro Dork
7/13/17 12:43 p.m.

The post lists the Bassett wheels at 17 lbs each which is fairly light for steel. Pretty cool car, just not within my budget.

Stefan
Stefan MegaDork
7/13/17 12:46 p.m.
Kreb wrote: Very cool, except the black steelies probably weigh more than the stock wheels. And do you really need a big rear wing with only 140 HP?

The wing isn't about horsepower, but about handling, The speed carried through the corners by cars like these is pretty impressive compared to their costs. I'm sure your negative commenting really helps with the sale.

Don't like it? Take it off and sell it when you buy it, put the money somewhere useful for you.

Kreb
Kreb UltraDork
7/13/17 1:15 p.m.

In reply to Stefan:

Why are your panties in a twist? My "negative" comments are tame. Besides, since when are commentators obligated to pimp ze ride?

edit: the spoiler question was meant as more of a question than anything. Seems to me that the airflow hitting it's going to be pretty turbulent. But I reserve the right to be wrong.

Trackmouse
Trackmouse SuperDork
7/13/17 1:28 p.m.

In reply to Kreb:

Don't mind him. He's always this way.

accordionfolder
accordionfolder HalfDork
7/13/17 1:36 p.m.
Kreb wrote: Very cool, except the black steelies probably weigh more than the stock wheels. And do you really need a big rear wing with only 140 HP?

Mine has a wing so it looks less like a dune buggy (not that there is anything wrong with dune buggies)! ;) Exocet's always look funny without something back there to help what little styling they have flow (IMO).

That and I think it looks cool. I spent entirely too much on it, but it made the car's looks for me!

z31maniac
z31maniac MegaDork
7/13/17 2:07 p.m.
Kreb wrote: In reply to Stefan: Why are your panties in a twist? My "negative" comments are tame. Besides, since when are commentators obligated to pimp ze ride? edit: the spoiler question was meant as more of a question than anything. Seems to me that the airflow hitting it's going to be pretty turbulent. But I reserve the right to be wrong.

Just means not as effective as it could be. It doesn't mean ineffective.

Stefan
Stefan MegaDork
7/13/17 2:08 p.m.
Trackmouse wrote: In reply to Kreb: Don't mind him. He's always this way.

mostly because of people like you

Trackmouse
Trackmouse SuperDork
7/13/17 2:50 p.m.

Haha! Touché!

Ovid_and_Flem
Ovid_and_Flem HalfDork
7/13/17 3:03 p.m.

In reply to Trackmouse and Stefan:

Now, girls...play nice

Kreb
Kreb UltraDork
7/13/17 4:42 p.m.

Exocet aerodynamics or lack thereof are a topic unto itself. Seems to my little brain that adding downforce on one end and not the other might have.....interesting implications at high speeds. Autocross, maybe not so much. Or you can do the John Myers Stalker approach:

Digression is my middle name.

accordionfolder
accordionfolder HalfDork
7/13/17 5:47 p.m.

In reply to Kreb:

If I remember correctly

Exomotive used to sell it with (Still sell it ? ) with a front wing - they found it understeer'd too much with it in track conditions.

Their current 4-banger turbo track show car has no front wing/splitter for this reason. It handles just like a (aero-dynamically impaired) Miata - many, many miata have rear downforce with no front splitter/wing with no dire implications in highspeed track conditions (I have first hand experience there).

Old track demo car:

New track demo car

accordionfolder
accordionfolder HalfDork
7/13/17 5:58 p.m.

http://www.racingtheexocet.com/?page_id=524

"The car (apparently) needs a rear wing for down force. I have been told by Exomotive and other racers that there is no need for a front wing. There’s enough weight on the front, and enough down force from the hood that it only creates drag and doesn’t improve lap times. We’ll see about that."

As well - he's been racing it for a bit now and still only has a rear wing and seems to be doing well.

Azulevo
Azulevo New Reader
7/13/17 6:09 p.m.

I absolutely LOVE mine!!! easy, fast, and fun build. Can customize to the extreme or keep simple (like mine) and drive the crap out of it almost daily. Folks can talk irreverent details (downforce?) all day. I'll be cruising the shoreline getting thumbs up and compliments every 30 seconds, or ripping up the back road having a blast at 10/10ths all day long.. Every car guy really should consider this build. It's THAT good..

David S. Wallens
David S. Wallens Editorial Director
7/13/17 6:11 p.m.
Azulevo wrote: I absolutely LOVE mine!!! easy, fast, and fun build. Can customize to the extreme or keep simple (like mine) and drive the crap out of it almost daily. Folks can talk irreverent details (downforce?) all day. I'll be cruising the shoreline getting thumbs up and compliments every 30 seconds, or ripping up the back road having a blast at 10/10ths all day long.. Every car guy really should consider this build. It's THAT good..

Thanks for sharing. Awesome photo, too.

einy
einy HalfDork
7/13/17 6:15 p.m.

In reply to Azulevo:

I dig the front fender on yours .... what did you use ?? Also, stock mounts or something different?

Keith Tanner
Keith Tanner MegaDork
7/13/17 6:26 p.m.
accordionfolder wrote: In reply to Kreb: *If I remember correctly* Exomotive used to sell it with (Still sell it ? ) with a front wing - they found it understeer'd too much with it in track conditions. Their current 4-banger turbo track show car has no front wing/splitter for this reason. It handles just like a (aero-dynamically impaired) Miata - many, many miata have rear downforce with no front splitter/wing with no dire implications in highspeed track conditions (I have first hand experience there). Old track demo car: New track demo car

IIRC the front wing never really got used. It was destroyed almost immediately in a trailer mishap, and since it relied on a COT wing nobody else ever really implemented it. I think the XXXocet was the only other car that got one. The shot of the green car with the wings is when the car was just barely past the "self propelled" stage, not an example of what does/doesn't work.

Ideally you want your downforce to have the same balance as your static weight distribution, although you can play tricks. My track Miata is set up with a bit more rear downforce so that it's quick to rotate in slow corners and more stable in fast ones - but I do have a big splitter and canards to keep it reasonably balanced. My suspicion on the Exocet wings is that they're simply not working all that well due to the interference from the roll bar tubes. But they do look better with one.

mdizz7
mdizz7 New Reader
7/13/17 7:56 p.m.

Hey everyone. I'm the owner. Let me know if you have any questions. Also, mucho thanks to GRM for featuring my car!

Trackmouse
Trackmouse SuperDork
7/13/17 8:35 p.m.

Dude, if you don't have the wing on the front and back you can't adjust it in the gran turismo settings!!!!

Cxracer
Cxracer New Reader
7/13/17 9:58 p.m.

Does anyone know since this is registered in CO if it could be registered in CA as a kit car or if it would have to be smogged, etc?

yupididit
yupididit Dork
7/13/17 11:58 p.m.

I want to build one of these.

Keith Tanner
Keith Tanner MegaDork
7/14/17 12:06 a.m.
Cxracer wrote: Does anyone know since this is registered in CO if it could be registered in CA as a kit car or if it would have to be smogged, etc?

It would go through the same SB100 process as any kit car, new or old. Basically no smog, but some paperwork to get to that point. I think all you need is a closed crankcase. My old Locost is now registered in CA.

Jerry
Jerry UltraDork
7/14/17 6:57 a.m.

Local autocrosser bought one late last year, I had no idea how affordable they were till I read about his. Now I want one. (Except I don't want the trailer/truck it would need.) EDIT- just saw it's street legal. Crap.

Azulevo
Azulevo New Reader
7/14/17 3:40 p.m.
Keith Tanner wrote:
Cxracer wrote: Does anyone know since this is registered in CO if it could be registered in CA as a kit car or if it would have to be smogged, etc?

It would go through the same SB100 process as any kit car, new or old. Basically no smog, but some paperwork to get to that point. I think all you need is a closed crankcase. My old Locost is now registered in CA.

Might be a little tricky since you're not the original builder. You'd need receipts for all major parts, and show some proof you built it, which you did not. Not a deal killer, but the process would need to be approached carefully. The car might need minor lighting tweaks, and the plastic windshield might need to be safety glass (mine is safety glass). Just little stuff. Nice thing is CA gives you a 1-month temp permit. I ended up getting three of them.. So i put on well over 1,000 miles during the registration process.

Azulevo
Azulevo New Reader
7/14/17 3:43 p.m.
einy wrote: In reply to Azulevo: I dig the front fender on yours .... what did you use ?? Also, stock mounts or something different?

They're AL truck fenders (http://www.fendersnmore.com/). Yes, stock mounts for now on front. I have a set of pre-bent 3/8" sch 40 steel tube brackets i'll be installing in about a week which should be stronger.

Keith Tanner
Keith Tanner MegaDork
7/14/17 4:42 p.m.
Azulevo wrote:
Keith Tanner wrote:
Cxracer wrote: Does anyone know since this is registered in CO if it could be registered in CA as a kit car or if it would have to be smogged, etc?

It would go through the same SB100 process as any kit car, new or old. Basically no smog, but some paperwork to get to that point. I think all you need is a closed crankcase. My old Locost is now registered in CA.

Might be a little tricky since you're not the original builder. You'd need receipts for all major parts, and show some proof you built it, which you did not. Not a deal killer, but the process would need to be approached carefully. The car might need minor lighting tweaks, and the plastic windshield might need to be safety glass (mine is safety glass). Just little stuff. Nice thing is CA gives you a 1-month temp permit. I ended up getting three of them.. So i put on well over 1,000 miles during the registration process.

I was the original builder of my Locost and I was not the one who registered it, but the new owner is a friend so I followed along on the whole process. The fact that it was an existing car did not seem to add any difficulty.

I believe the bill of sale for the whole car was enough for receipts, although my friend did have my whole stash of receipts. They also wanted build photos which is easy enough. He did it all on the first temp permit, even with some time out of the country.

edizzle89
edizzle89 Dork
7/15/17 7:19 p.m.

Pretty sure my brother just bought this car!

mdizz7
mdizz7 New Reader
7/15/17 7:20 p.m.

Car is sold. Thanks GRM and Everyone! I guess I need a new profile pic :)

yupididit
yupididit Dork
7/16/17 3:10 a.m.

What's about the true cost to build one of these? If I was to start off with a miata with a 1.8 for $2000?

einy
einy HalfDork
7/16/17 11:54 a.m.

My total cost for a Sport chassis (roll bar vs full roll cage) with the steel floor option, Exomotive supplied powder coating, a $500 starting point 1991 donor, full suite of maintenance parts for a 115k mile donor, VMAXX coilovers from FM, Enthuzacar full stainless exhaust system, Corbeau seats and 5 point belts, NRG quick release and steering wheel, MSW 0 offset wheels, Nitto NT05 tires, and miscellaneous other stuff is right at 18k. Add another 1k Ohio sales tax / title fee/registration on top of that, and that is where I am at as of today. I could have dine a couple of things at lower cost, but I wanted reliability with the rest of the package for now.

NOHOME
NOHOME UltimaDork
7/17/17 9:04 a.m.

So, about the same cost as building a V8 Miata using a kit.

Would be interesting article to do a comparison of the two driving experiences. Wildly different approaches but kinda the same thrill.

First gut check...if told you can own whichever one you drive away in, but no test drives, which one do you choose?

Subsequently, to validate your choice, after a week of driving each, would you still stick by your original choice?

Keith Tanner
Keith Tanner MegaDork
7/17/17 9:59 a.m.
NOHOME wrote: Would be interesting article to do a comparison of the two driving experiences. Wildly different approaches but kinda the same thrill.

I think there's still a difference in cost given the same quality of parts and attention to detail. Put a turbo on that Exo and you've got a good comparo.

Check the Miatagasm article for a drive comparison. http://www.roadandtrack.com/car-culture/a32131/miatas-at-mazda-raceway-miatagasm-mega-test/

Short version: Both great fun on track. The Exo gives pure, hyperactive track thrills. The V8 Miata gives a Can-Am vibe of a big engine in a little car. On the street, the Exo is fun on short pleasure drives and you'll be all buzzed when you get out. The Miata can be a real car. With the Exo, everyone will make a comment about the Atom. With the Miata, they'll say something about the Z06

accordionfolder
accordionfolder HalfDork
7/17/17 11:52 a.m.

In reply to Keith Tanner:

I missed this article somehow - fantastic read!

Azulevo
Azulevo New Reader
7/17/17 6:10 p.m.

With a really nice clean donor and selling off parts, you can build the basic car for $10k pretty easy. From there, sky is the limit.. I've got about $2k in seats, wheels, tires, lighting, etc. I'll have another $3k to roughly double the HP by the end of the summer. But it's a riot with only 115HP.

SVreX
SVreX MegaDork
7/17/17 6:20 p.m.

In reply to Azulevo:

That sounds tight.

The base model chassis is over $7K, PLUS the donor.

And THIS car was not a base model.

Keith Tanner
Keith Tanner MegaDork
7/17/17 6:22 p.m.

If you live in an area with a lot of Miatas, there's money to be made with clean hoods, doors, fenders, etc. Same with the interior. Getting the donor cost down to $0 is difficult but possible.

Couldn't do it around here, though. We scrapped dozens of doors and fenders because there's no local market.

David S. Wallens
David S. Wallens Editorial Director
7/17/17 7:20 p.m.
mdizz7 wrote: Car is sold. Thanks GRM and Everyone! I guess I need a new profile pic :)

Cool--congratulations.

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