Feb 8, 2016 update to the Mazda Miata - Sunburst Yellow project car

Our Miata Gets Smashed

After our first pit stop for fuel and a fresh body behind the wheel we jumped to second place.
Here's the Nash we managed to flip on its roof.
This is what a Miata looks like after flipping a Nash.

They say if you race a car, you have to be willing to walk away from it when it winds up in a wrinkled heap. We didn’t expect to exemplify this philosophy so soon.

A week ago our project Miata received a new livery and was set to go racing at Barber Motorsports Park with the 24 Hours of LeMons. After a long trip from Florida to Alabama, we just barely made it to tech inspection on time. We would be racing in “A class”—the fastest of the three classes at LeMons races—with zero penalty laps. We were confident that with efficient pit stops we would have a top-5 car this year.

Sure enough, as our first driver finished his 2-hour stint we were pleased to be perched in fourth place. After a quick stop for fuel and a fresh body behind the wheel, we jumped to second place. Another fuel stop and driver change pushed us back down to fourth, but we were still in the thick of it. We were trying new consumables at this event, running Bridgestone Potenza RE-71R tires, new König Dial-In wheels, and Winmax W4 brake pads. We were especially impressed by the new tires—in fact, we don’t think there’s a better track tire over the 200 treadwear-rating line. And the Winmax pads were performing exceptionally as well. We really had a great setup.

Unfortunately, that’s when it all went wrong. In the thick of a three-car battle with a Porsche 944 and another car, our third driver crested the hill just after turn 12, only to be met by a terrifying sight: Team NSF’s Corvette-powered Nash was sitting dead in the middle of the track. We plowed about 4 feet into the trunk of the Nash—we actually speared far enough in to break their differential and bend their rear suspension—while simultaneously being rear-ended by the 944. The combined impact of the two sports cars managed to flip the Nash onto its roof. Think for a minute about the force required to do that.

The carnage suffered by our car was some of the worst we’ve seen at any event, but thankfully we hadn’t skimped on safety equipment. The whole drivetrain may have been moved 4 inches backward, and the car may have been significantly shortened, but our driver escaped with only some residual soreness. Let’s all stop here and appreciate the effectiveness of head-and-neck restraint systems. Praise be to safety equipment.

After a flatbed trip back to the paddock, we jokingly asked the crowd of shocked competitors surrounding the car if anyone needed some Miata parts. To our surprise, three of our paddock neighbors sheepishly raised their hands. Their Miata had also been knocked out of the race, but all they needed to mend was a bent control arm. We told them that if they could pull one out of ours, they could have it—after all, we weren’t going to be using it anytime soon. After some sawing and hammering, they managed to remove a straight control arm from our car and graft it into their own Miata. So our car did not die in vain!

So what to do now? Well, there’s no way we can use this particular roadster again for racing, but we’ll salvage what we can. As for our next LeMons car, we have something more interesting planned—but we’ll keep you in suspense until we begin the project.

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NickD
NickD HalfDork
2/8/16 2:48 p.m.

No photos of the Nash on it's roof? Pity.

Ed Higginbotham
Ed Higginbotham Editorial Assistant
2/8/16 3:17 p.m.

We couldn't see the wreck from our vantage point, but apparently someone else could. Behold the inverted Nash.

Source.

mazdeuce
mazdeuce PowerDork
2/8/16 3:43 p.m.

The Nash looks repairable in pictures I've seen. The driver gets a one year ban for getting punted on her roof. Such is racing.
Very glad all the safety equipment was present and functional.

Appleseed
Appleseed MegaDork
2/8/16 9:15 p.m.

That Nash finally fits the bathtub moniker.

NOHOME
NOHOME PowerDork
2/9/16 7:36 a.m.

I have read the LeMon's rules regarding the inverted car suspension. I think it is a good rule for what it is intended.

And while I could wonder about the Nash being in the middle of the track and stopped scenario, I have to ask if the roll-over rule should it really apply in this case? Technically the driver had no input into the roll-over since the car was stationary.

This was more of a flagging glitch.

tuna55
tuna55 MegaDork
2/9/16 7:57 a.m.

This is a testament to the safety inspections and prep work for these races. Folks mock Lemons, but really, it's real racing and real incidents can and do happen. I am super glad, but not amazed, that everyone walked away from what could be a fatal accident if cars had PVC cages and cruddy belts.

Neat that the Miata got to live on! Good work, guys. It sucks, but it makes for a good article featuring the safety features and the aftermath of the three cars. Don't skimp on safety!

tuna55
tuna55 MegaDork
2/9/16 8:01 a.m.
NOHOME wrote: I have read the LeMon's rules regarding the inverted car suspension. I think it is a good rule for what it is intended. And while I could wonder about the Nash being in the middle of the track and stopped scenario, I have to ask if the roll-over rule should it really apply in this case? Technically the driver had no input into the roll-over since the car was stationary. This was more of a flagging glitch.

I don't believe that rule has ever been overturned (ha!) for any reason. I think it is trying to speak to the seriousness of the accident, giving such a severe punishment makes people think about what to do to avoid it.

Tom Suddard
Tom Suddard Associate Editor
2/9/16 2:42 p.m.

So, uh, this showed up in our parking lot this morning.

NSF racing–you're awesome. You really didn't have to give us a Miata. We tried to pay for it, but the team wouldn't take any money. Heck, it was all we could do to get him to take a T-Shirt.

Let the build commence!

RedGT
RedGT Reader
2/9/16 3:03 p.m.
tuna55 wrote: I don't believe that rule has ever been overturned (ha!) for any reason. I think it is trying to speak to the seriousness of the accident, giving such a severe punishment makes people think about what to do to avoid it.

I have always thought that was a very good rule. No ifs, ands or buts. If you are upside down, you're done for a year. Not forever, just for a year. So don't end up upside down. And in this case, ya know what, choosing the runoff area to the left or right rather than letting the car die on the track surface would have resulted in not-being-upside-down.

dyintorace
dyintorace UberDork
2/9/16 3:10 p.m.
RedGT wrote:
tuna55 wrote: I don't believe that rule has ever been overturned (ha!) for any reason. I think it is trying to speak to the seriousness of the accident, giving such a severe punishment makes people think about what to do to avoid it.

I have always thought that was a very good rule. No ifs, ands or buts. If you are upside down, you're done for a year. Not forever, just for a year. So don't end up upside down. And in this case, ya know what, choosing the runoff area to the left or right rather than letting the car die on the track surface would have resulted in not-being-upside-down.

I've never raced Lemons, so this isn't a sarcastic or rhetorical question. Does the upside down rule apply if a car is taken out by a competitor? For instance, I'm racing and take the proper line into a corner. Another competitor dive bombs me on the inside, hits my rear passenger side wheel, spins me off track where my wheels, now sideways, dig into the dirt and my car flips. I'm the one who gets banned for a year?

Toyman01
Toyman01 MegaDork
2/9/16 3:29 p.m.

In reply to dyintorace:

Yes.

dculberson
dculberson UberDork
2/9/16 4:12 p.m.
Tom Suddard wrote: NSF racing–you're awesome. You really didn't have to give us a Miata. We tried to pay for it, but the team wouldn't take any money. Heck, it was all we could do to get him to take a T-Shirt. Let the build commence!

They're great people. I've raced with them before. The 1959 (?) Ford Victoria. 272 Y-head V8 with 3-on-the-tree. 4 wheel drum brakes. The car did not so much "race" as "amble," but I still had fun and enjoyed the company and the weekend.

NOHOME
NOHOME PowerDork
2/9/16 4:21 p.m.
Toyman01 wrote: In reply to dyintorace: Yes.

I interpret it the same way.

And with a bit of time to ponder it, it kinda makes sense in that it also plants the seed to maybe leave a little margin so you do not become the dickhead that got someone else banned.

I think the LeMons organizers are trying to say you can have a lot of fun with your crappy cars at 8/10ths rather than trying for 10/10; nobody here is moving to F1.

hobiercr
hobiercr Dork
2/9/16 4:22 p.m.
Tom Suddard wrote: NSF racing–you're awesome. You really didn't have to give us a Miata. We tried to pay for it, but the team wouldn't take any money. Heck, it was all we could do to get him to take a T-Shirt.

I concur. The NSF crew are really awesome people and LOVE to have a good time. I had the opportunity to drive their Sebring at Sebring and they were a cool bunch to meet and race with.

Toyman01
Toyman01 MegaDork
2/9/16 4:27 p.m.
NOHOME wrote:
Toyman01 wrote: In reply to dyintorace: Yes.

I interpret it the same way.

And with a bit of time to ponder it, it kinda makes sense in that it also plants the seed to maybe leave a little margin so you do not become the dickhead that got someone else banned.

I think the LeMons organizers are trying to say you can have a lot of fun with your crappy cars at 8/10ths rather than trying for 10/10; nobody here is moving to F1.

Per Judge Phil in a relevant thread on the Lemons forum, "There are no gray areas here, so you trackside lawyers can cease and desist. If a car rolls over (i.e., past 90 degrees), whoever was driving is done for the season, regardless of "fault.""

russian
russian New Reader
2/9/16 5:56 p.m.

Lemons is a "both parties at fault" racing series: if you are involved in a collision, you are at fault. Regardless of your role in said collision.

codrus
codrus Dork
2/9/16 6:11 p.m.
russian wrote: Lemons is a "both parties at fault" racing series: if you are involved in a collision, you are at fault. Regardless of your role in said collision.

Yeah, but if you punt someone off-track, making them roll while you stay upright, you can get away with a 5 minute delay in the pits (if you haven't been black flagged too many times already) while the other car is done for the race and the other driver gets a 1 year suspension.

grafmiata
grafmiata SuperDork
2/9/16 6:25 p.m.
codrus wrote:
russian wrote: Lemons is a "both parties at fault" racing series: if you are involved in a collision, you are at fault. Regardless of your role in said collision.

Yeah, but if you punt someone off-track, making them roll while you stay upright, you can get away with a 5 minute delay in the pits (if you haven't been black flagged too many times already) while the other car is done for the race and the other driver gets a 1 year suspension.

While I've never raced LeMons, I understand the intent behind this rule. Yes, it is crap-can racing, but it is still racing. However, most of the people involved have a job that they need to show up for on Monday.

Sometimes people may forget this, and try too hard. Sometimes, everyone involved in an incident may do all they can to avoid said incident, but E36 M3 still happens.

It sucks that the driver of the Nash is facing a 1-year ban, but if you sign up, you accept that risk. Just like the GRM team would rather not have ended up with a 3-foot long Miata. But they knew, and accepted, that this was a potential outcome.

jimbbski
jimbbski Dork
2/9/16 6:35 p.m.

I agree with you on this. It's the one thing that I don't like about Lemons. Punish the guy/gal that's at fault. Although in this case the car (Which was sloooow) should not even have been allowed to race. Things I like to see in Lemons is a 120% rule. That is if your lap time is over 120% of the top 10% of the cars running then you have to drop out as you're a hazard/rolling chacane!

The problem is Lemons glories in having these "oddball" cars in their races. The class race winners are hardly ever mentioned in the video wrap ups posted on YouTube. The "losers" are, who are winners of their various judges choice awards . Winning an enduro, any enduro race is hard and should be acknowledged but not in Lemons.

codrus
codrus Dork
2/9/16 6:38 p.m.
grafmiata wrote: Sometimes people may forget this, and try too hard. Sometimes, everyone involved in an incident may do all they can to avoid said incident, but E36 M3 still happens. It sucks that the driver of the Nash is facing a 1-year ban, but if you sign up, you accept that risk. Just like the GRM team would rather not have ended up with a 3-foot long Miata. But they knew, and accepted, that this was a potential outcome.

I don't think anyone's alleging a contractual obligation, clearly Lemons has the right to do this. That doesn't necessarily mean that it's right or that the rules are immune to criticism.

Generally speaking I believe that applying rules with "zero tolerance", mandating punishments with no allowance for human judgement about justice, fairness, or balance is a bad idea.

Klayfish
Klayfish UberDork
2/9/16 7:22 p.m.
jimbbski wrote: I agree with you on this. It's the one thing that I don't like about Lemons. Punish the guy/gal that's at fault. Although in this case the car (Which was sloooow) should not even have been allowed to race. Things I like to see in Lemons is a 120% rule. That is if your lap time is over 120% of the top 10% of the cars running then you have to drop out as you're a hazard/rolling chacane! The problem is Lemons glories in having these "oddball" cars in their races. The class race winners are hardly ever mentioned in the video wrap ups posted on YouTube. The "losers" are, who are winners of their various judges choice awards . Winning an enduro, any enduro race is hard and should be acknowledged but not in Lemons.

Huh? No offense, but do you run LeMons? Accidents more than just "rubbin' is racing" are fairly rare. When they do happen, the overwhelming majority of the time it has nothing to do with the difference in speed of class C vs class A. It has everything to do with red mist, bigger balls than brains, not looking ahead or some combination thereof. Putting in a rule like a 120% rule would pretty much ruin LeMons. The top 10% of cars speed wise are pretty darn fast. Not everyone could build a car capable of keeping up with those cars, and even if the car is capable very often the driver is not.

LeMons is as much about having fun as it is about racing. That's why the wrap up videos talk about some non-class winning cars. Trust me, teams take a ton of pride in winning their class and go to great lengths to try. Hell, we took 11 or 12 tries with "the boat" to win class C and we were thrilled as E36 M3 to do it. But it's also fun to hear about the "heroic fix" or "I got screwed" stories. Doesn't diminish the racing, just keeps it light hearted. I've gotten to drive fast class A cars all the way down to those "slow" IOE cars. They're all fun. Besides, how many people can say they've driven a boat, a Rolls Royce and a Citroen SM on a race track?

dyintorace
dyintorace UberDork
2/9/16 7:30 p.m.
Toyman01 wrote:
NOHOME wrote:
Toyman01 wrote: In reply to dyintorace: Yes.

I interpret it the same way.

And with a bit of time to ponder it, it kinda makes sense in that it also plants the seed to maybe leave a little margin so you do not become the dickhead that got someone else banned.

I think the LeMons organizers are trying to say you can have a lot of fun with your crappy cars at 8/10ths rather than trying for 10/10; nobody here is moving to F1.

Per Judge Phil in a relevant thread on the Lemons forum, "There are no gray areas here, so you trackside lawyers can cease and desist. If a car rolls over (i.e., past 90 degrees), whoever was driving is done for the season, regardless of "fault.""

Very interesting. Thanks for the insight.

tuna55
tuna55 MegaDork
2/9/16 7:48 p.m.
Klayfish wrote:
jimbbski wrote: I agree with you on this. It's the one thing that I don't like about Lemons. Punish the guy/gal that's at fault. Although in this case the car (Which was sloooow) should not even have been allowed to race. Things I like to see in Lemons is a 120% rule. That is if your lap time is over 120% of the top 10% of the cars running then you have to drop out as you're a hazard/rolling chacane! The problem is Lemons glories in having these "oddball" cars in their races. The class race winners are hardly ever mentioned in the video wrap ups posted on YouTube. The "losers" are, who are winners of their various judges choice awards . Winning an enduro, any enduro race is hard and should be acknowledged but not in Lemons.

Huh? No offense, but do you run LeMons? Accidents more than just "rubbin' is racing" are fairly rare. When they do happen, the overwhelming majority of the time it has nothing to do with the difference in speed of class C vs class A. It has everything to do with red mist, bigger balls than brains, not looking ahead or some combination thereof. Putting in a rule like a 120% rule would pretty much ruin LeMons. The top 10% of cars speed wise are pretty darn fast. Not everyone could build a car capable of keeping up with those cars, and even if the car is capable very often the driver is not.

LeMons is as much about having fun as it is about racing. That's why the wrap up videos talk about some non-class winning cars. Trust me, teams take a ton of pride in winning their class and go to great lengths to try. Hell, we took 11 or 12 tries with "the boat" to win class C and we were thrilled as E36 M3 to do it. But it's also fun to hear about the "heroic fix" or "I got screwed" stories. Doesn't diminish the racing, just keeps it light hearted. I've gotten to drive fast class A cars all the way down to those "slow" IOE cars. They're all fun. Besides, how many people can say they've driven a boat, a Rolls Royce and a Citroen SM on a race track?

Preach it brother

dean1484
dean1484 MegaDork
2/9/16 8:26 p.m.

I think people should realize that if they don't like the rules that the hosts of the lemons party impose then they don't have to be part of it.

Same goes for this forum. Don't abide by our hosts rules you will be asked to leave.

No different than NASCAR, SCCA, Indy car or any other sanctioning body. Play by there rules or go play some where else.

I have been partaking in motorsports for 30+ years and it is my opinion that it is the only way that any kind of control can be maintained.

As a crew chief I was subject to all kinds of "punishments" for things you could argue I had no control over but in the end it was the rule that I was the one to be penalized.

The way I got over it was to look at it as a team penalty that the sanctioning body just needed to put a name to. Kind of the same for the Nash driver. Although the driver gets the year vacation the team also looses a driver (and team participant) for a year. I am sure that the team is re thinking things as well. I know that if I was the crew chief of the Nash team I would be very upset with my self for putting a team member in that situation. A really tough pill to swallow as a crew chief but it goes with the title.

dean1484
dean1484 MegaDork
2/9/16 8:37 p.m.

Oh and for the record we won the overall at a lemons race. It is one of my top 3-4 wins ever. Don't know why it just is.

dean1484
dean1484 MegaDork
2/9/16 8:42 p.m.
Tom Suddard wrote: So, uh, this showed up in our parking lot this morning. NSF racing–you're awesome. You really didn't have to give us a Miata. We tried to pay for it, but the team wouldn't take any money. Heck, it was all we could do to get him to take a T-Shirt. Let the build commence!

This is by far the coolest thing I have ever seen in all the years I have been racing.

Seriously!!!!!!!

Tim Suddard
Tim Suddard Publisher
2/10/16 7:04 a.m.

I thought it was seriously classy, but not necessary that they dropped off a new car for us to build. And just what I need, another beater in my yard.

dean1484
dean1484 MegaDork
2/10/16 7:22 a.m.

In reply to Tim Suddard:

Well if it is that much of a problem auction it off for charity. Or donate it as a prize at the next lemons event.

I still think this is a level of awsome that I have never seen. Especially at this level of racing. I have been trying to come up with a comparable example from my past and can not.

NSF racing really exemplifies what racing should be all about.

Now we need to find them another Nash. Except this time it should be set on a NASCAR chassis.

Flight Service
Flight Service MegaDork
2/10/16 7:23 a.m.

Glad the story had a mostly happy ending.

zoomzoom39
zoomzoom39 New Reader
2/10/16 9:48 a.m.

In reply to Ed Higginbotham:

Back home at the shop, the Gone Bananas Racing team would like to say "THANK YOU!!!" to the GRM team for their generous donation of the now-surplus front left upper control arm. We're now proudly wearing Grassroots Motorsports stickers on the car in several prominent locations, as well as a special tribute sticker wrapped around the control arm in question. We were able to run 6 of the final 7 hours of the event on Sunday, but as you might pick out in the behind-the-wheel photo the battle-hardened GRM arm actually pulled the mount out of the sub-frame, ending the day an hour early for us. All fixable and as they say, "that's racin'".

We really did intend to wait an appropriate period of mourning after the tow truck dropped the GRM Miata off before asking about the control arm (at least another 5 or maybe 10minutes), but when they asked if anyone needed any Miata parts ... well, what were we to say? We also briefly considered a team name change to "Vulture Racing" for the occasion.

Good luck to Grassroots Motorsports with their new red miata build project - make it a fast car, but not too fast if you know where I'm coming from! And finally, kudos to NSF. Fantastic move with the donor miata!

Buddy, Ken, Aaron, Randy, Sandy, and Andy - Going, Going, Going, Gone Bananas!

wbjones
wbjones MegaDork
2/10/16 11:22 a.m.
RedGT wrote:
tuna55 wrote: I don't believe that rule has ever been overturned (ha!) for any reason. I think it is trying to speak to the seriousness of the accident, giving such a severe punishment makes people think about what to do to avoid it.

I have always thought that was a very good rule. No ifs, ands or buts. If you are upside down, you're done for a year. Not forever, just for a year. So don't end up upside down. And in this case, ya know what, choosing the runoff area to the left or right rather than letting the car die on the track surface would have resulted in not-being-upside-down.

this has been my thoughts all along ... I find very hard to believe that the Nash driver was moving at such a slow pace that (s)he couldn't have exited the course one side or the other ... I CAN NOT believe that car had to come to a stop dead in the middle of the track ...if there were indications of pending stalling then get you off the track ... you're going to have to come in anyway, and the penalty for 4 off, would have been less after the explanation ... I speak from experience ... a carb problem that kept causing the engine to cut off ... I made sure I was on the edge of the track, and every time it cut off, I was mere inches from being out of the way ... did this all the way around the track ...waving to the flaggers that kept throwing the black flag at me ... my explanation to the judge was fine ... he thanked me for not causing a huge pile up ... and also for not causing a FCY by staying ON the track when I could see large groups of cars coming up on me ...

so ... like I said at the start of this ... I really don't understand how the driver couldn't position themselves in such a way as to prevent this from happening

David S. Wallens
David S. Wallens Editorial Director
2/11/16 8:41 a.m.

zoomzoom39, nice sticker application. Thanks!

Maybe we need some custom stickers that are A-arm shaped--you know, just in case.

dculberson
dculberson UberDork
2/11/16 9:30 a.m.
codrus wrote:
russian wrote: Lemons is a "both parties at fault" racing series: if you are involved in a collision, you are at fault. Regardless of your role in said collision.

Yeah, but if you punt someone off-track, making them roll while you stay upright, you can get away with a 5 minute delay in the pits (if you haven't been black flagged too many times already) while the other car is done for the race and the other driver gets a 1 year suspension.

That's certainly possible, but not likely at a Lemons race. The judges are not opposed to taking someone's driver wrist band (essentially ejecting them from the race) if they have caused a major incident. Yes if you read the letter of the rules it seems like someone could get away with that, but in reality they will not.

Klayfish
Klayfish UberDork
2/11/16 9:47 a.m.
dculberson wrote: That's certainly possible, but not likely at a Lemons race. The judges are not opposed to taking someone's driver wrist band (essentially ejecting them from the race) if they have caused a major incident. Yes if you read the letter of the rules it seems like someone could get away with that, but in reality they will not.

Yeah, no stuntin', no 'splodin'. At least, I've heard rumors about it.

Devilsolsi
Devilsolsi New Reader
2/11/16 11:46 a.m.
wbjones wrote:
RedGT wrote:
tuna55 wrote: I don't believe that rule has ever been overturned (ha!) for any reason. I think it is trying to speak to the seriousness of the accident, giving such a severe punishment makes people think about what to do to avoid it.

I have always thought that was a very good rule. No ifs, ands or buts. If you are upside down, you're done for a year. Not forever, just for a year. So don't end up upside down. And in this case, ya know what, choosing the runoff area to the left or right rather than letting the car die on the track surface would have resulted in not-being-upside-down.

this has been my thoughts all along ... I find very hard to believe that the Nash driver was moving at such a slow pace that (s)he couldn't have exited the course one side or the other ... I CAN NOT believe that car had to come to a stop dead in the middle of the track ...if there were indications of pending stalling then get you off the track ... you're going to have to come in anyway, and the penalty for 4 off, would have been less after the explanation ... I speak from experience ... a carb problem that kept causing the engine to cut off ... I made sure I was on the edge of the track, and every time it cut off, I was mere inches from being out of the way ... did this all the way around the track ...waving to the flaggers that kept throwing the black flag at me ... my explanation to the judge was fine ... he thanked me for not causing a huge pile up ... and also for not causing a FCY by staying ON the track when I could see large groups of cars coming up on me ...

so ... like I said at the start of this ... I really don't understand how the driver couldn't position themselves in such a way as to prevent this from happening

Look at this year's Daytona 24 and this is exactly what took out the DeltaWing. PC car stalled right in the middle of T1 which is a blind corner.

Stefan (Not Bruce)
Stefan (Not Bruce) MegaDork
2/11/16 12:50 p.m.
Devilsolsi wrote:
wbjones wrote:
RedGT wrote:
tuna55 wrote: I don't believe that rule has ever been overturned (ha!) for any reason. I think it is trying to speak to the seriousness of the accident, giving such a severe punishment makes people think about what to do to avoid it.

I have always thought that was a very good rule. No ifs, ands or buts. If you are upside down, you're done for a year. Not forever, just for a year. So don't end up upside down. And in this case, ya know what, choosing the runoff area to the left or right rather than letting the car die on the track surface would have resulted in not-being-upside-down.

this has been my thoughts all along ... I find very hard to believe that the Nash driver was moving at such a slow pace that (s)he couldn't have exited the course one side or the other ... I CAN NOT believe that car had to come to a stop dead in the middle of the track ...if there were indications of pending stalling then get you off the track ... you're going to have to come in anyway, and the penalty for 4 off, would have been less after the explanation ... I speak from experience ... a carb problem that kept causing the engine to cut off ... I made sure I was on the edge of the track, and every time it cut off, I was mere inches from being out of the way ... did this all the way around the track ...waving to the flaggers that kept throwing the black flag at me ... my explanation to the judge was fine ... he thanked me for not causing a huge pile up ... and also for not causing a FCY by staying ON the track when I could see large groups of cars coming up on me ...

so ... like I said at the start of this ... I really don't understand how the driver couldn't position themselves in such a way as to prevent this from happening

Look at this year's Daytona 24 and this is exactly what took out the DeltaWing. PC car stalled right in the middle of T1 which is a blind corner.

and it was a communication issue between race control, the flag stations and the pit box for the PC car which caused there to be a lack of FCY. Race Control had been told that the car was running and gear and waiting to get back into the stream of cars. Obviously this wasn't true.

the fact that the driver hit the car was due to several issues; miscommunication between the driver and his spotter, entering the corner too quickly (the local yellow flags and lights were on for quite some time) and finally, locking their front brakes up and fixating on the PC car and not where he really wanted to go. Many, many other cars managed to successfully avoid that PC car.

The situations are similar only from the standpoint that improvements could have been made in the response by Race Control and the flag stations.

wbjones
wbjones MegaDork
2/11/16 9:08 p.m.

In reply to Stefan (Not Bruce):

and in regard to this, there is often no on track communication car to pit crew .. but that would have helped the cars cresting the hill and finding the stalled Nash .. which didn't have to be there .. assuming there really was no warning .

Knurled
Knurled MegaDork
2/12/16 12:20 p.m.
jimbbski wrote: The problem is Lemons glories in having these "oddball" cars in their races.

That is because it isn't intended to be racing, it's an art car parade.

Yes there is racing going on, but it is sort of discouraged.

Klayfish
Klayfish UberDork
2/17/16 6:44 a.m.

Hey GRM guys (and gals), As I was stumbling around my basement last night I realized I still have a set of OEM NA Miata coolant/heater hoses. They were for my '90 Miata that I never wound up getting to. They're about 2 or 3 years old now, but have never been taken out of their original packaging. If they'd be of any use to you, you're welcome to them.

dyintorace
dyintorace UberDork
2/17/16 8:11 a.m.
zoomzoom39 wrote:

Random question - What wheels are on the car in these pics? Specs?

Ed Higginbotham
Ed Higginbotham Editorial Assistant
2/17/16 8:28 a.m.

In reply to dyintorace:

Looks like Team Dynamics Pro Race. And if they are used for Spec Miata competition, they're 15x7.

zoomzoom39
zoomzoom39 New Reader
2/19/16 4:22 p.m.

In reply to dyintorace: Yes, those are Team Dynamics Pro Race 1.2 wheels in a 15x7 configuration with 25mm offset IIRC(http://www.teamdynamicsracing.com/pro-race/Pro-race12.htm).

12 of those mounted with hoosier SM6's and hoosier h2o's came with the car when I bought car, spares, tools, trailer, etc last summer. Obviously, the hoosiers are NOT lemons-legal. Nor chump-legal. They're not even spec-Miata legal anymore since the SM guys moved on to SM7's. But they are awesome play-time tires!

BTW, this car no longer runs in SM though I've yet to pull the sm and scca stickers off. Strictly aimed at lemons and chump fun these days.

bentwrench
bentwrench Dork
2/19/16 5:01 p.m.

I'll bet that Nash driver never parks on the racing surface again!

bmwpc
bmwpc New Reader
3/1/16 4:19 p.m.

What a wonderful rule. Punish the victim and let the cause slide. Gee maybe the Nash had just stopped and couldn't get off the track. Did any body ask that or, apparently, it didn't matter. Rules, like the Constitution, can change. Even rules that may not necessarily need to be changed can have common sense applied in their application. Lack of common sense applications is blatant in this matter. Perhaps the Nash was getting too competitive. As far as "fault" for the GRM Miata and 924, these are simply racing accidents. These people are amateurs. Look at the pros from F1 to late models. They also have accidents but only intentional misdeeds get punished. This all was simply what happens in racing, pure and simple. No fault and no one to blame.

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