VMP Performance's Hellcat-swapped Miata

https://www.youtube.com/embed/DjCi6yVRvN4

Submitted for your viewing pleasure, a Miata with a Hellcat heart. Beautiful. 

te72
te72 Reader
7/10/19 9:20 p.m.

Over 500 ft-lbs just off idle. Narrow track width, 89" wheel base. Nah, I can't see anything going wrong here. =P

 

It's not that I don't get it (I'm all for crazy for the sake of crazy, and hey, it's just one Miata, there are still thousands of them in every flavor imaginable), but it's definitely not for me. I wouldn't say no to putting an LS or Coyote (or even Voodoo, for that matter) in my NB, but when you have to cut holes in the hood to clear the power adder on such a light car...

Mndsm
Mndsm MegaDork
7/11/19 6:08 a.m.

This thing was at hyperfest or superfest or festfest recently making scary burnouts. Maybe it was cletusfest?

NickD
NickD PowerDork
7/11/19 8:06 a.m.
Mndsm said:

This thing was at hyperfest or superfest or festfest recently making scary burnouts. Maybe it was cletusfest?

It was definitely at a Cleetus & Cars and they let him do burnouts in it. It seemed to scare even him, and he's driven some fast E36 M3.

Idk, I don't hate it. It's silly and nonsensical and that's good. People in the car hobby tend to get too serious sometimes. 

Jordan Rimpela
Jordan Rimpela Digital Editor
7/11/19 8:31 a.m.
Mndsm said:

This thing was at hyperfest or superfest or festfest recently making scary burnouts. Maybe it was cletusfest?

Definitely Festfest. I'm copywriting that. 

te72
te72 Reader
7/11/19 8:51 p.m.
NickD said:

Idk, I don't hate it. It's silly and nonsensical and that's good. People in the car hobby tend to get too serious sometimes. 

This is exactly what I appreciate about it. This is up there with Rob Dahm's four rotor FD, but maybe not quite on the level of the guy who made a custom V12 using two Toyota 1jz's. Either way, still cool to see, and I really do like the orange on the NB, it's a good fit.

cdeforrest
cdeforrest Reader
7/11/19 9:23 p.m.

Watching them build it was scary enough..

_
_ HalfDork
7/12/19 10:14 a.m.

Talk about “all motor”. (Yes I know it’s blown.)

David S. Wallens
David S. Wallens Editorial Director
12/20/19 2:46 p.m.

Looks like this car was sold at Barrett-Jackson's recent Las Vegas sale.

Hammer price? $36,300.

NickD
NickD PowerDork
2/10/20 5:09 a.m.

 

Woke up to see this on Facebook. Honestly, not that surprised.

Dave M
Dave M HalfDork
2/10/20 5:21 a.m.

Only took six weeks for the buyer to wreck it... That's longer than most Hellcats!

OHSCrifle
OHSCrifle SuperDork
2/10/20 5:40 a.m.

What is (was?) the power to weight ratio of this thing and how close is it to a shifter kart?

MrChaos
MrChaos SuperDork
2/10/20 5:58 a.m.

i think it was mid 800ish and like 2600lbs

noddaz
noddaz SuperDork
2/10/20 6:47 a.m.
te72 said:

but when you have to cut holes in the hood to clear the power adder on such a light car...

And why is that a problem?  devil  

Carbon
Carbon UltraDork
2/10/20 6:55 a.m.

Anything with that weight distribution deserves to die. It's a clickbait build, it's fate kinda suits it.  The worst part is that a mechanical failure keeps getting blamed for the crash. Sure, the caliper stuck, we believe you. 

NickD
NickD PowerDork
2/10/20 7:38 a.m.

I didn't hate it, but I'm not terribly surprised this happened. I am surprised that it appears to have been operating on a public road. This seemed like the kind of car that would just get trailered to show after show after show and rarely get driven.

Jordan Rimpela
Jordan Rimpela HalfDork
2/10/20 7:47 a.m.
Carbon said:

Anything with that weight distribution deserves to die. It's a clickbait build, it's fate kinda suits it.  The worst part is that a mechanical failure keeps getting blamed for the crash. Sure, the caliper stuck, we believe you. 

This is why we can't have nice things. 

loosecannon
loosecannon SuperDork
2/10/20 8:29 a.m.
OHSCrifle said:

What is (was?) the power to weight ratio of this thing and how close is it to a shifter kart?

You may be surprised to know that shifter karts don't have impressive power to weight ratios. My 250cc shifter kart makes 50 hp and weighs 400 lbs with me in it for a weight to power ratio of 8 lbs per hp. My autocross car weighs 1750 lbs with me in it and makes 350 hp, or 5 lbs per hp. The shifter kart feels faster because I'm an inch off the ground with nothing around me.

dyintorace
dyintorace PowerDork
2/10/20 9:00 a.m.

That happened near the Gainesville raceway I believe. It was in town for the import face off yesterday. 

Pete Gossett
Pete Gossett MegaDork
2/10/20 9:13 a.m.

So who's anxiously awaiting it to show up on Copart?

pinchvalve
pinchvalve MegaDork
2/10/20 9:26 a.m.

Where's the "A Florida Man..." news story?

aw614
aw614 Reader
2/10/20 10:34 a.m.
dyintorace said:

That happened near the Gainesville raceway I believe. It was in town for the import face off yesterday. 

That explains why I encountered an trailed drag honda on I75 south of the bushnell exit, a modded 3rd gen prelude, and some guys in a truck giving me a thumbs up in my integra all within a span of 10 minutes on my way home from an autocross. 

Keith Tanner
Keith Tanner MegaDork
2/10/20 10:52 a.m.
Carbon said:

Anything with that weight distribution deserves to die. It's a clickbait build, it's fate kinda suits it.  The worst part is that a mechanical failure keeps getting blamed for the crash. Sure, the caliper stuck, we believe you. 

I dunno, the weight distribution on my Mini is pretty front-biased.

A caliper locked up? Man up and take ownership of your mistake, buddy. You were hooning and poor judgement has consequences.

NOHOME
NOHOME MegaDork
2/10/20 10:55 a.m.

Last sentence says it all

 

gearheadmb
gearheadmb SuperDork
2/10/20 11:14 a.m.
Keith Tanner said:

Man up and take ownership of your mistake, buddy. You were hooning and poor judgement has consequences.

When you have more power and more confidence than talent things go wrong quickly. Not that I blame him, that car would outrun the talent of most mortals. You just have to recognize it. I am almost 40 and grew up in a time when 250 hp was a lot and I thought I was Mario Andretti. The first time I drove an S197 shelby mustang I learned I definitely wasn't. Luckily I didn't wreck, but it showed me how easily it could get out from under me.

Keith Tanner
Keith Tanner MegaDork
2/10/20 11:32 a.m.

Stuff happens. But if it's a matter of more machine than the driver can handle, own up to it. The car got away from this guy and he's come up with some sort of weird mechanical failure to explain how he ended up in a ditch. It's reminiscent of the BMW M4 crash that was blamed on a 1.5 psi tire pressure differential. Sometimes you just have to say "I screwed up". 

 

NOHOME
NOHOME MegaDork
2/10/20 11:36 a.m.

I see that as a simultaneously encountering the boundaries of talent and pavement. That said, maybe it could have been worse if not for mad dirt-bogging skills?

That said, "Wisdom does come from Experience, and Experience does come from a lack of Wisdom"

CAinCA
CAinCA New Reader
2/10/20 11:59 a.m.

In reply to Keith Tanner :

Yes, but your Mini is FWD. This thing probably had a worse weight bias and 4x the power.

Keith Tanner
Keith Tanner MegaDork
2/10/20 12:19 p.m.

4x? You are being very rude to Hellcats. It's more like a factor of 9 or 10.

I've driven our XXXocet, which was 556 hp, 2000 lbs and fairly front biased. I managed not to have a "caliper seize". Simply having less than ideal weight distribution does not mean you're going to have an accident.

Carbon
Carbon UltraDork
2/10/20 12:55 p.m.

Keith, the difference being that your mini's rear wheels have the job of merely keeping it's ass from dragging on the ground. The hellcat powered miata's rear wheels have slightly more work cut out for them. 

Keith Tanner
Keith Tanner MegaDork
2/10/20 1:07 p.m.
Keith Tanner said:

I've driven our XXXocet, which was 556 hp, 2000 lbs and fairly front biased. I managed not to have a "caliper seize". Simply having less than ideal weight distribution does not mean you're going to have an accident.

 

Carbon
Carbon UltraDork
2/10/20 1:09 p.m.

In reply to Keith Tanner :

Oh, I definitely wasnt saying that it was the cause of the crash, I was just saying it was gross. Lol. 

eastsideTim
eastsideTim UberDork
2/10/20 1:19 p.m.

When I saw the crash photo, I thought the road looked familiar.  If it is the road to Gainesville Raceway, it is tempting to stand on the throttle there, with how flat and straight it is.  I've resisted the temptation, though.  I guess they didn't.

OHSCrifle
OHSCrifle SuperDork
2/10/20 1:22 p.m.
loosecannon said:
OHSCrifle said:

What is (was?) the power to weight ratio of this thing and how close is it to a shifter kart?

You may be surprised to know that shifter karts don't have impressive power to weight ratios. My 250cc shifter kart makes 50 hp and weighs 400 lbs with me in it for a weight to power ratio of 8 lbs per hp. My autocross car weighs 1750 lbs with me in it and makes 350 hp, or 5 lbs per hp. The shifter kart feels faster because I'm an inch off the ground with nothing around me.

Learned something interesting today. Thank you. 

ShinnyGroove
ShinnyGroove Reader
2/10/20 4:16 p.m.

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

jharry3
jharry3 HalfDork
2/10/20 5:07 p.m.
DirtyBird222
DirtyBird222 UberDork
2/10/20 5:27 p.m.

This thing needs to be lifted  and on some all-terrains. 

Also I dare you to go on the Clinically Depressed Mazda Miata owners facebook page and call this thing an NC. You'll enjoy the poopshow that unfolds. 

kazoospec
kazoospec UberDork
2/10/20 6:58 p.m.

Anybody that didn't see this coming was probably surprised by the ending of "Titanic".  

einy
einy HalfDork
2/10/20 7:08 p.m.
kazoospec said:

Anybody that didn't see this coming was probably surprised by the ending of "Titanic".  

I haven’t seen that movie yet, so please don’t ruin it for me !!

dculberson
dculberson MegaDork
2/11/20 10:27 a.m.

Oooh, "near death experience," so dramatic. Dude had a gentle off into the grass and lost some body work.

DirtyBird222
DirtyBird222 UberDork
2/11/20 10:29 a.m.
dculberson said:

Oooh, "near death experience," so dramatic. Dude had a gentle off into the grass and lost some body work.

He needs those likes for his daily reassurance. 

loosecannon
loosecannon SuperDork
2/11/20 11:16 a.m.

I love living in a world where we are allowed to drive vehicles with dangerous power to weight ratios

Keith Tanner
Keith Tanner MegaDork
2/11/20 11:25 a.m.
loosecannon said:

I love living in a world where we are allowed to drive vehicles with dangerous power to weight ratios

Without any training or licensing beyond proving that you can parallel park once as a teenager!

Australia has limits on engine swaps because of events like this that ended up less happily. Had this "seized caliper" occured with a bunch of Cars and Coffee spectators lining the road, it would have been the sort of thing that results in new regulations.

jharry3
jharry3 HalfDork
2/11/20 11:33 a.m.
Keith Tanner said:
loosecannon said:

I love living in a world where we are allowed to drive vehicles with dangerous power to weight ratios

Without any training or licensing beyond proving that you can parallel park once as a teenager!

Australia has limits on engine swaps because of events like this that ended up less happily. Had this "seized caliper" occured with a bunch of Cars and Coffee spectators lining the road, it would have been the sort of thing that results in new regulations.

As in Mille Miglia and  also Mercedes in the 1955 Le Mans race.     

NOHOME
NOHOME MegaDork
2/11/20 11:35 a.m.

I have a feeling that the term "Seized Caliper" really means that he "Locked up a brake". 

Regardless, I am glad that we are all discussing this in the light that we are rather than as a tragic event from a fluke accident.

 

Pete

Ransom
Ransom UltimaDork
2/11/20 11:50 a.m.

In reply to NOHOME :

Agreed. I mean, he actually said he "had a caliper lock up"... That sounds to me more like an (intentionally?) inaccurate or ambiguous choice of words to describe standing on the brakes too hard/suddenly... He didn't say it seized, so his weird choice of word makes it hard to say what he meant to say, and whether he was talking about the caliper seizing or a wheel locking up.

Keith Tanner
Keith Tanner MegaDork
2/11/20 11:54 a.m.

You're right, he did say he had a caliper locked up. So I've been a bit harsh on the personal responsibility aspect. I apologize for that.

I wonder if the car were built with ABS but it was deleted to make room for the engine?

DirtyBird222
DirtyBird222 UberDork
2/11/20 4:08 p.m.
loosecannon said:

I love living in a world where we are allowed to drive vehicles with dangerous power to weight ratios

Or you could be living in a world where you only have Ladas. I too am happy we have monsters like this at our fingertips. 

Patrick
Patrick MegaDork
2/11/20 4:58 p.m.
dyintorace said:

That happened near the Gainesville raceway I believe. It was in town for the import face off yesterday. 

Those trees look awfully familiar.  

84FSP
84FSP SuperDork
2/11/20 5:15 p.m.

It would sound to me like an excuse made to a policeman to avoid a ticket/ license removal for human error inspired by hp and hormones.  I'm glad no one was hurt but we all know a buddy who totals a recently built fast car.

A 401 CJ
A 401 CJ Dork
2/11/20 6:52 p.m.
MrChaos said:

i think it was mid 800ish and like 2600lbs

So 3.  That's a FAST RC car.  Ludicrous 

A 401 CJ
A 401 CJ Dork
2/11/20 7:02 p.m.
jharry3 said:

Sometimes people go to far and this wasn't the first time.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gee_Bee_Model_R

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3UmmeWVAt6A

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2V_VJblkupE

That was back when they did aerodynamics by how it looked.  I can't figure out how they convinced the first guy to fly it.  Let alone the second and third.

The0retical
The0retical UberDork
2/11/20 7:59 p.m.

In reply to A 401 CJ :

Probably the same guy who talked test pilots into "flying" X-15's.

"So let me get this straight. You want to strap me in front of a rocket, which is going to be flown to altitude by a B-52, drop me off it, leaving me with 30 seconds to light off said rocket, which should then propel me to 5x the speed of sound.

If it all goes wrong I fly a brick to the ground and, in either case, I need to jettison the lower tail to successfully land said brick on a lake bed with just skids."

Sold.

 

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