2022 Honda Civic Si: Is this the best one yet? | Track test

J.G.
By J.G. Pasterjak
Nov 25, 2022 | Honda, Civic, FIRM, Honda Civic Si, Si, Florida International Rally and Motorsport Park, Track Test | Posted in Features | From the Aug. 2022 issue | Never miss an article

Photography by David S. Wallens and Chris Tropea

The Si badge on a Honda Civic has always meant something special. While never as radical as the limit-of-civility Type R-badged Hondas, the Si models had just enough of an edge to set themselves apart in performance, feel and presence from the standard fare.

And the newest, 11th-generation Civic Si is no exception to that trend–mostly. By all objective measures, the …

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crankwalk (Forum Supporter)
crankwalk (Forum Supporter) GRM+ Memberand SuperDork
9/8/22 10:01 a.m.

I love the more subtle sporty looks and $28k really nails this the price point for these I think. For a sporty car that would likely double as DD for most owners, I think this would also be the best DD out out a lot of its competitors too (MPG , space, and comfort wise) for those cross shopping for a car to do it all.

David S. Wallens
David S. Wallens Editorial Director
9/9/22 12:16 p.m.

In reply to crankwalk (Forum Supporter) :

My wife's daily is a 2014 Civic Si sedan. The newest one is simply a quieter, updated version of that car. 

David S. Wallens
David S. Wallens Editorial Director
9/9/22 12:17 p.m.

We've had this Civic Si since new, too. In fact, it's been exactly eight years as it arrived while I was at Solo Nats.

Work needed to date: two batteries and a few sets of tires. 

It's now time for brakes. Other than that, gas and oil.

calteg
calteg SuperDork
9/9/22 1:42 p.m.

Color me surprised: Yesterday I was thinking "I'd like a little more luxury, but I like the current body style. I bet I can get a Touring, slap a tune on it and be out the door cheaper than an SI."  Turns out I was wrong. MSRP on a touring is $30,245. I was shocked to find the SI undercut it by that much

David S. Wallens
David S. Wallens Editorial Director
9/9/22 3:55 p.m.

In reply to calteg :

The Si is a deal, right? 

calteg
calteg SuperDork
9/9/22 6:19 p.m.

In reply to David S. Wallens :

Certainly seems that way. And I'm always a sucker for an orange car.

David S. Wallens
David S. Wallens Editorial Director
9/9/22 6:22 p.m.

In reply to calteg :

The orange looks sooo good in real life. 

calteg
calteg SuperDork
9/9/22 6:29 p.m.

In reply to David S. Wallens :

This might be the first brand new car I ever buy. Real world reports are MPGs in the low 40s...so basically it gets the same gas mileage as my Prius C, while having a real back seat, a real trunk, being infinitely more fun to drive, etc, etc

AnthonyGS (Forum Supporter)
AnthonyGS (Forum Supporter) GRM+ Memberand UltraDork
9/11/22 8:24 p.m.

Any of the gain due to improved driver performance?  How many laps of the track did the driver make between Civic 1 and 2?

JG Pasterjak
JG Pasterjak Production/Art Director
9/14/22 2:14 p.m.
AnthonyGS (Forum Supporter) said:

Any of the gain due to improved driver performance?  How many laps of the track did the driver make between Civic 1 and 2?

When I copare the data traces, I see one spot—the high speed right hand kink Turn 4—that coule be faster because of my increased comfort and experience. But the two biggest gains are in 1) the esses, which is pretty much a bumpy straight and does a great job of measuring shock response and control, and 2) Anytime the cars use fourth gear, where the new car just pulls away from the old car. 

So, yeah, maybe a few tenths, but not the 1.5-ish seconds that the times showed. 

AnthonyGS (Forum Supporter)
AnthonyGS (Forum Supporter) GRM+ Memberand UltraDork
9/14/22 7:20 p.m.

In reply to JG Pasterjak :

Thanks for the follow up on this. 

Carl Heideman
Carl Heideman
9/14/22 9:12 p.m.

So...regarding the $28K price...I was at the Solo Nats with my 2020 Si and talked to a couple of the guys with 2022s and have been thinking maybe I'll go for one. One of the guys bought his 6 months ago and paid $500 over sticker. I found a few of them in the midwest and the dealers were wanting about $7K over sticker. One dealer said they'd never charge that much over sticker if they get a new one, then told me about a "used" one they had with 2K miles on it for $36,995 (isn't that more than $7K over sticker?). When I said I'd prefer to pay much closer to sticker, their answer was, your trade is worth way more too, so it's a wash. Then they gave me rough offers of $23K for my 35,000 mile unmodified, no accident 2020 Si. I don't think a 2022 is $14K better than my 2020, so I guess I'm waiting.

Or am I doing this wrong and there are better deals out there?

Slippery
Slippery GRM+ Memberand PowerDork
9/14/22 9:24 p.m.

In reply to Carl Heideman :

If I was you I would look up all cars on cars.com and sort for distance. Then contact the dealers that have both prices closed to MSRP and are close to you. Get an out the door price via email. 

Not sure how far you are willing to travel, but I found these:

Carl Heideman
Carl Heideman
9/14/22 9:36 p.m.

In reply to Slippery :

Thanks for the tip.  I'm willing to travel. I didn't check cars.com but I checked some of the other aggregator sites as well as Honda.com to see who actually had a car in stock. All of them listed the price on the internet as list, but when I actually contacted them (via old-fashioned telephone), they told me the markup (i.e, they're being typical dealers). Some told me they had "just sold" the car, which may be true, but then they would tell me what I should buy instead, which was of course not a 2022 Si (again, typical dealers).  I'll try again with your suggestion, but wonder if the same thing is going to happen. 

This reminds me why I rarely buy a new car, why I rarely buy from a dealer, and why I typically buy a car a few years old from a private party and drive it into the ground.  I made an exception with the 2020 because it's such a good car and private party ones were overpriced even then because they were hard to find.  I paid sticker when many were marked up maybe $2K, so I felt okay. But this is nuts.

Slippery
Slippery GRM+ Memberand PowerDork
9/14/22 9:45 p.m.

In reply to Carl Heideman :

Its a pain. 

Last time I just emailed through the app all the dealers that had the car I wanted asking for an out the door price. I did a nationwide search. Out of quite a few, one answered with the number and a breakdown. The price was reasonable, but they were 900 miles away. I then called and asked for the person that sent me the email and we closed the deal on the phone. The next day I had the papers to sign so I knew they were not going to pull any tricks when I got there. 

That's what I would do if I was in your situation. 

Carl Heideman
Carl Heideman
9/14/22 9:47 p.m.

In reply to Slippery :

Just sent three inquiries out via the app and will report back.  Heading to Road America for a few days with the Zink, so it may be next week.  Thanks again.

Carl Heideman
Carl Heideman
9/15/22 1:54 p.m.

Three responses. One said the car was sold. One says it's arriving soon and the internet price was wrong and they want $37K. The last one isn't being clear about whether they have one or not but have sent me links to Accord Sports and non Si Civics so I think I know the answer. I'll keep trying next week but it seems like $7K markups are continuing along with some game playing. 

crankwalk (Forum Supporter)
crankwalk (Forum Supporter) GRM+ Memberand SuperDork
9/15/22 2:10 p.m.

In reply to Carl Heideman :

This is why I wish we could all buy directly from manufacturers if we want. 

Slippery
Slippery GRM+ Memberand PowerDork
9/16/22 9:02 a.m.

In reply to Carl Heideman :

I feel the pain. 

trucke
trucke SuperDork
9/16/22 2:54 p.m.

FYI, I had to pay above MSRP when I got my Si back in April.  Ordered, excuse me, 'reserved the allocation' on 12/3/21.  There was a $1,999 dealer options (worth a couple hundred bucks), $500 doc fee, $349 Cap Dot anti-theft crap fee.  Including tax, tag, etc it was $32,778 out the door.  At the time, the new Si was less expensive than a 10th gen. 

$7k mark-up seems absurd! Unfortunately, there are few of these on the ground so they seem to be getting away with it.  

I still have my 2019 Type R that was about $750 under MSRP including tax, tag and license. 

The 11th gen Si is really a great daily driver.  So much so that I don't even want to drive the FK8 unless I'm going to an autocross.

 

 

livinon2wheels
livinon2wheels GRM+ Memberand New Reader
11/25/22 5:32 p.m.

I love almost everything about this car...it is quick enough to be great as a sensible and fun daily driver and a sometime track car too. It's a honda so its reliable as the missionary position. It should be comfy enough as a traveling car too. My big complaint is their dealer network is as greedy as Scrooge with a greed tax of up to 8000 dollars within driving distance of my location. Here's my problem with that. You buy a car worth 28k but pay 36k for it and say a week later you have an accident that totals the car. Do you think the insurance company is gonna pay you anything close to the 36k you paid for the car? Hell effing no! You are hung out to dry for the difference between the standard depreciation from the msrp and its value when had your accident plus the amount over sticker you paid. I wont EVER do that no matter how much i like the car and dealers that put people in that position are crooked and should be put in jail for taking advantage of their customers. I told one dealer in NC that if they ever decided they wanted to make an honest offer to call me otherwise leave me the hell alone.

livinon2wheels
livinon2wheels GRM+ Memberand New Reader
11/25/22 5:32 p.m.

I love almost everything about this car...it is quick enough to be great as a sensible and fun daily driver and a sometime track car too. It's a honda so its reliable as the missionary position. It should be comfy enough as a traveling car too. My big complaint is their dealer network is as greedy as Scrooge with a greed tax of up to 8000 dollars within driving distance of my location. Here's my problem with that. You buy a car worth 28k but pay 36k for it and say a week later you have an accident that totals the car. Do you think the insurance company is gonna pay you anything close to the 36k you paid for the car? Hell effing no! You are hung out to dry for the difference between the standard depreciation from the msrp and its value when had your accident plus the amount over sticker you paid. I wont EVER do that no matter how much i like the car and dealers that put people in that position are crooked and should be put in jail for taking advantage of their customers. I told one dealer in NC that if they ever decided they wanted to make an honest offer to call me otherwise leave me the hell alone.

AnthonyGS (Forum Supporter)
AnthonyGS (Forum Supporter) GRM+ Memberand UberDork
11/28/22 12:00 p.m.

In reply to livinon2wheels :

Sadly this is why "gap insurance" is now a thing.  Dealers have been doing this for about 20 years as far as I can tell, and finance and insurance companies love it too.  I hear ya.  I bought a used 2018 and it's probably worth more right now than when I bought it 6 months ago even with 12,000 more miles on it.  I need to change the oil soon too or hit the dealer again.

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