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johnnyrobbin
johnnyrobbin New Reader
10/27/19 1:40 p.m.

In reply to slowbird :

You are welcome.......your car looked great, lots of good comments !!!

mazdeuce - Seth
mazdeuce - Seth Mod Squad
10/28/19 10:17 a.m.
Circuit_Motorsports said:

There was a great turnout for the event in general and a really good showing for Gastropods. We met some really nice folks out there and we even got a neat little snail sticker. Our Daily Driver Sentra came out as the winner, but it was a super close race between some of you guys.  Great showing, congrats to those who placed, and good job for a fun little side-event at the GRM Challenge Seth!

 

Thanks so very much for being in class and beating the Jags so we don't have to hear about how great they are for the whole next year. laugh

I'm sorry I couldn't be there, and sorry that I didn't finish the trophy. You earned it and you deserve the Golden Snail. I'm sending you a message right now, but if you don't get it, please email me at ttwo.elm at gmail dot com and I'll get you address to mail you the trophy and a special winners shirt. 

Indy-Guy
Indy-Guy PowerDork
10/28/19 10:24 a.m.
mazdeuce - Seth said:
 

Thanks so very much for being in class and beating the Jags so we don't have to hear about how great they are for the whole next year. laugh

 

Oh.  You're still going to hear about how great the Jaaags were for a LONG time. wink

Circuit_Motorsports
Circuit_Motorsports New Reader
10/28/19 11:54 a.m.

In reply to mazdeuce - Seth :

We were in very close contention with one of the Jags there, we were a little worried going into the concours - it was that close haha

ProDarwin
ProDarwin UltimaDork
10/28/19 1:59 p.m.

Is there a gastropod recap anywhere?  What cars ended up making it?  What were the 1/4 times like in them?

¯\_(ツ)_/¯
¯\_(ツ)_/¯ PowerDork
10/28/19 2:12 p.m.

In reply to ProDarwin :

think this is everyone, from a quick chopping up of the results sheet:

Name Car Finishing Position Car # Best Autocross Time Best Drag Time Concours Average
Tristan Sothern 2004 Nissan Sentra SE-R Spec V 1 59 47.508 15.497 13.66666667
Brian Bauer 2001 Jaguar XJR 2 6 49.54 14.008 14.16666667
Patrick Callahan 2004 Jaguar XJ-R 3 88 48.2 13.868 12
Jeremy Randolph 1992 Nissan NX2000 4 67 48.95 15.768 13.16666667
Michael Roy 1991 Toyota Mr2 5 76 48.991 20.663 18.66666667
Chris Kinnaman 1989 Ford SHO 6 30 48.426 15.944 12
Brandon Meekin 2007 BMW 335i 7 14 50.164 15.864 13.66666667
Robert Miller 2003 Hyundai Tiburon 8 33 49.602 16.098 12.33333333
Gregory Smith 1994 Mazda MX-5 Miata 9 16 48.69 16.739 11.16666667
Lilac Araline 1997 Ford Probe 10 97 50.07 17.391 12
Chris Nonack 2001 Mazda B2300 11 24 51.116 18.16 14
Scott Ervin 2003 Nissan Sentra SER 12 44 50.396 17.277 12
Rob Channell 1998 BMW 328i 13 78 52.707 15.891 11.5
Kevin Flavin 1998 Mercedes-Benz SLK230 14 51 52.964 16.579 12
Kevin Sweeney 2008 Saturn astra 15 38 51.427 17.652

10.83333333

Steve Stafford  
2004 Toyota Solara Exhibition 32 52.980 17.134 0

 

Pete Gossett
Pete Gossett MegaDork
10/28/19 2:19 p.m.

In reply to ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ :

Was Steve Stafford doing Gastropods?

¯\_(ツ)_/¯
¯\_(ツ)_/¯ PowerDork
10/28/19 2:25 p.m.

In reply to Pete Gossett :

Ah E36 M3, he fell off the bottom of the list, let me see if I can get that row back.  EDIT- added him back in, I missed it because he was in exhibition and not "daily driver"

mazdeuce - Seth
mazdeuce - Seth Mod Squad
10/28/19 2:44 p.m.

In reply to ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ :

Huge tanks for that. Hopefully we can get the list solidified because I'd like to go back to the first post and drop in the list as well as pictures of each to show future competitors who showed up and in what. 

From reports, the class did what it was supposed to do. You guys were great, there was a lot of talking and meeting and it helped solidify community. I think we should do it again. 

If anyone didn't get a shirt already, and wants one, please let me know at ttwo.elm at gmail.com. It's going to be a couple of weeks (at least) but I'm more than willing to get another batch of shirts out. 

 

Edit: one last thing, rules? Did it work? What should we change? 

paranoid_android
paranoid_android UberDork
10/28/19 2:51 p.m.

Wow, that 91 MR2 killed it in concourse!

mazdeuce - Seth
mazdeuce - Seth Mod Squad
10/28/19 3:01 p.m.

In reply to paranoid_android :

You should check out the Build Thread, it was a significantly ambitious project put together by a group of hard working kids (and their enabling adults) and word on the street is thier presentation was top notch. There are lessons to be learned from the cars/teams that do well in the concourse. 

ProDarwin
ProDarwin UltimaDork
10/28/19 3:20 p.m.

Wow.  Those results are unexpected.

stafford1500
stafford1500 Dork
10/28/19 3:29 p.m.
Pete Gossett said:

In reply to ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ :

Was Steve Stafford doing Gastropods?

I was running as a Gastropod entry, but not allowed to enter the Concours portion. Something about being a judge and maybe trying to game the system, which was totally my plan.

I re-crunched the numbers and would have come in with total score of 91.76 if I had taken the 12pts (47th overall scoring).

stafford1500
stafford1500 Dork
10/28/19 3:36 p.m.
mazdeuce - Seth said:

If anyone didn't get a shirt already, and wants one, please let me know at ttwo.elm at gmail.com. It's going to be a couple of weeks (at least) but I'm more than willing to get another batch of shirts out. 

 

Edit: one last thing, rules? Did it work? What should we change? 

I know A_Florida_Man did not get a shirt because he got distracted for a few months and missed that part of the thread. I will remind him to e-mail you...

On the rules, Tom was concerned about the "adjusted" rule set regarding recoup. Also, he (the magazine) like the cars to be a bit more modified so the self-imposed limit may have been a little too drastic. Just because there is recoup to be had does not mean you have to use it. I would have showed up with my car lowered/stiffened, but otherwise not much else. Paint would have helped but this is a car to beat on.

stafford1500
stafford1500 Dork
10/28/19 3:38 p.m.
paranoid_android said:

Wow, that 91 MR2 killed it in concourse!

The team came and asked me some questions after the town hall about how they did (they did not know the results yet). I am quite sure they will be back next year with further development.

Fladiver64
Fladiver64 Reader
10/28/19 4:08 p.m.
stafford1500 said:
paranoid_android said:

Wow, that 91 MR2 killed it in concourse!

The team came and asked me some questions after the town hall about how they did (they did not know the results yet). I am quite sure they will be back next year with further development.

We have already had a team meeting on improvements, and thanks for your honest feedback. We have decided to find a replacement engine, and keep the car a daily driver with full interior, I told the boys they built to nice of a car to strip it race car style. Thanks to everyone that talked to them over the weekend, even if they don't say it it means a lot that other people see the effort they put in. The number of people that came to me and said they talked to them independently and were very impressed is great to hear as a team leader and Father. I know many suspect that the Dads did all of the work, and we did plenty, but all of the boys put in a tremendous amount of time in this build and made all of the decision on the direction of the build as a team. 

I am not sure I have posted this, but at the same time we built the car three of the boys earned there Eagle Scout rank and did projects. This means that everyone on the team was also working on those projects at the same time. 

Thanks agian for all of the positive feedback, we are all looking forward to next year.

mazdeuce - Seth
mazdeuce - Seth Mod Squad
10/28/19 4:41 p.m.
stafford1500 said:
mazdeuce - Seth said:

If anyone didn't get a shirt already, and wants one, please let me know at ttwo.elm at gmail.com. It's going to be a couple of weeks (at least) but I'm more than willing to get another batch of shirts out. 

 

Edit: one last thing, rules? Did it work? What should we change? 

I know A_Florida_Man did not get a shirt because he got distracted for a few months and missed that part of the thread. I will remind him to e-mail you...

On the rules, Tom was concerned about the "adjusted" rule set regarding recoup. Also, he (the magazine) like the cars to be a bit more modified so the self-imposed limit may have been a little too drastic. Just because there is recoup to be had does not mean you have to use it. I would have showed up with my car lowered/stiffened, but otherwise not much else. Paint would have helped but this is a car to beat on.

Watching the results come in and comparing the Gastro cars to "open" cars, it seems like the 250TW tire rule heavily levels the field. Maybe we can do away with the budget stuff and stick with interiors and tires? Or are we getting too much overlap with the current Daily Driver and 200TW classes negating the need for Gastropods other than as a social group? 

stafford1500
stafford1500 Dork
10/28/19 4:43 p.m.

I think the idea of the class is great. It shows that you do not have to think too hard about what to bring, just bring something and have fun.

AAZCD
AAZCD HalfDork
10/28/19 5:02 p.m.
stafford1500 said:

I think the idea of the class is great. It shows that you do not have to think too hard about what to bring, just bring something and have fun.

This was my first time actually competing in anything automotive. Mentally and in spirit, I think I was totally Gastropod, but due to circumstances (finding a Challenge priced Boxster) I didn't officially fit the class. Knowing that the Gastropods were there made me comfortable going. Yes, I did want to compete in the sense of knowing what I could do compared with others, but it was more about having fun and being with a bunch of like-minded car guys. I had a great time, met lots of awesome people, and learned a lot. Thanks for everything Seth, I'm really looking forward to next year.

Fladiver64
Fladiver64 Reader
10/28/19 5:36 p.m.
mazdeuce - Seth said:
stafford1500 said:
mazdeuce - Seth said:

If anyone didn't get a shirt already, and wants one, please let me know at ttwo.elm at gmail.com. It's going to be a couple of weeks (at least) but I'm more than willing to get another batch of shirts out. 

 

Edit: one last thing, rules? Did it work? What should we change? 

I know A_Florida_Man did not get a shirt because he got distracted for a few months and missed that part of the thread. I will remind him to e-mail you...

On the rules, Tom was concerned about the "adjusted" rule set regarding recoup. Also, he (the magazine) like the cars to be a bit more modified so the self-imposed limit may have been a little too drastic. Just because there is recoup to be had does not mean you have to use it. I would have showed up with my car lowered/stiffened, but otherwise not much else. Paint would have helped but this is a car to beat on.

Watching the results come in and comparing the Gastro cars to "open" cars, it seems like the 250TW tire rule heavily levels the field. Maybe we can do away with the budget stuff and stick with interiors and tires? Or are we getting too much overlap with the current Daily Driver and 200TW classes negating the need for Gastropods other than as a social group? 

I really liked the class and thought the re coup rules made us think more on our decisions, but I understand the magazine wants a more consistent set of rules. How about petitioning to change hte daily driver class to include things like full interior, wipers, lights ect. This would basically be Gastropods without the extra budget rules, and more aligned editorially with guys that want dual purpose cars.

gumby
gumby Reader
10/28/19 5:39 p.m.
mazdeuce - Seth said:

Watching the results come in and comparing the Gastro cars to "open" cars, it seems like the 250TW tire rule heavily levels the field. Maybe we can do away with the budget stuff and stick with interiors and tires? Or are we getting too much overlap with the current Daily Driver and 200TW classes negating the need for Gastropods other than as a social group? 

Before registering, I hadn't heard of the Daily Driver class. I found it on MSR and was confused with the potential overlap. I have not found the DD specifics listed anyplace. Anybody got a link?

slowbird
slowbird HalfDork
10/28/19 5:45 p.m.
mazdeuce - Seth said:
stafford1500 said:
mazdeuce - Seth said:

If anyone didn't get a shirt already, and wants one, please let me know at ttwo.elm at gmail.com. It's going to be a couple of weeks (at least) but I'm more than willing to get another batch of shirts out. 

 

Edit: one last thing, rules? Did it work? What should we change? 

I know A_Florida_Man did not get a shirt because he got distracted for a few months and missed that part of the thread. I will remind him to e-mail you...

On the rules, Tom was concerned about the "adjusted" rule set regarding recoup. Also, he (the magazine) like the cars to be a bit more modified so the self-imposed limit may have been a little too drastic. Just because there is recoup to be had does not mean you have to use it. I would have showed up with my car lowered/stiffened, but otherwise not much else. Paint would have helped but this is a car to beat on.

Watching the results come in and comparing the Gastro cars to "open" cars, it seems like the 250TW tire rule heavily levels the field. Maybe we can do away with the budget stuff and stick with interiors and tires? Or are we getting too much overlap with the current Daily Driver and 200TW classes negating the need for Gastropods other than as a social group? 

The sentence in bold is my vote. That way, it simplifies things and allows for some creativity in recoup (i.e. selling your expensive factory recaros and putting in cheap base model seats) but keeps the spirit of the class in my opinion. Daily driver, well, some people would daily a car with no carpets or back seats, so I think gastropods have their own place separate from that.

slowbird
slowbird HalfDork
10/28/19 5:47 p.m.
gumby said:
mazdeuce - Seth said:

Watching the results come in and comparing the Gastro cars to "open" cars, it seems like the 250TW tire rule heavily levels the field. Maybe we can do away with the budget stuff and stick with interiors and tires? Or are we getting too much overlap with the current Daily Driver and 200TW classes negating the need for Gastropods other than as a social group? 

Before registering, I hadn't heard of the Daily Driver class. I found it on MSR and was confused with the potential overlap. I have not found the DD specifics listed anyplace. Anybody got a link?

Trophy page just says "Daily Driver: The highest-placing car on 250-treadwear or higher tires for the duration of the event."

gumby
gumby Reader
10/28/19 5:55 p.m.
slowbird said:

Trophy page just says "Daily Driver: The highest-placing car on 250-treadwear or higher tires for the duration of the event."

That is what was listed on MSR as well during the registration process. I guess I just imagined there would be more to it, but as a special award vs. a separate class, it makes sense. It would have been more clear to me if it were listed as just 250tw, like the 200tw award is.
Were there any DD competitors with gutted interiors? As a personal rule, I dislike class proliferation and could get behind merging Gastropods and DDs if doing so doesn't exclude popular builds.

n8
n8 New Reader
10/28/19 8:19 p.m.

I think combining the official Daily Driver class with the Gastropod spirit makes sense. 250+ tw tires, wipers, headlights, full interior, radio, and other je ne sais quoi. 

It seems worth noting that the same car won both this year, so if that’s not enough reason I don’t know what is. I don’t think anyone is going to go through the trouble of gutting an interior but handicap themselves with junk tires just to win the DD class as written. 

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