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pimpm3 (Forum Supporter)
pimpm3 (Forum Supporter) UltraDork
4/14/21 11:55 a.m.

The grass won't be there for long.  My chickens tore up all the grass in their run in short order.

OHSCrifle
OHSCrifle GRM+ Memberand SuperDork
4/14/21 12:03 p.m.

I doubt you have an "air leak" in the plumbing but I suspect you have a vent pipe that is plugged (or nonexistent where it needs to be).

CJ (FS)
CJ (FS) GRM+ Memberand HalfDork
4/14/21 12:36 p.m.
RevRico said:

An odd possible development in my ongoing water pressure problem.

I see in the downstairs thinking room last night while the demon was in the bath upstairs. I heard the bathtub drain open, and then saw my shower start dripping. I hit the toilet sprayer and water pressure was through the roof.

Could there be something, bad drop angle on the main drain, air leak somewhere, letting air into the system when there's a large amount of water rushing through the drain?

Well, if there is a connection between your water and sewer systems, it is very, very bad.  After living in or owning a few old houses, I have never seen a vent on a fresh water system - not even sure how that would work.

I would bet that the PO ran the water line that feeds the basement through a restriction - a small /crushed line or something similar.  It sounds like the pressure is OK in the upstairs bath, so it seems that the problem is after the run to the bath.... maybe.  What size are the lines coming in from the bath?  If everything is 1/2", there may not be enough volume available to feed the bath and basement at the same time.

When I was a kid, we moved into a 1930s to 1950s house that had all 1/2" galvanized pipe.  The stuff had rusted to the point that there was only about 3/8" open.  Couldn't run the shower and the kitchen sink at the same time.  Everything was replaced with 3/4" copper with 1/2" runs to faucets, etc which worked much better.

RevRico
RevRico UltimaDork
4/14/21 1:11 p.m.

In reply to CJ (FS) :

The main comes in at 3/4", then right before the hot water tank, it splits to two 1/2" lines, one for cold one for hot. After the split, it becomes a mix of half inch copper, pvc, and cpvc. 

The water coming in looks fine aside from taking the long way around the basement that didn't require any major holes to be made, which is understandable.

The drains are all kinda berkeleyed up. 2 washer drains that aren't connected to anything anymore live downstairs, the upstairs toilet laundry and kitchen sink are all connected with what I can best describe as the fitting aisle of a plumbing store to a 4 inch drain that goes behind a block wall, then at some point goes under slab to the septic.

In the detached garage out back there's a 3 inch pvc sticking out of the floor that I don't see in the house that isn't capped, and I found under one of the steps out back there's a another 3 inch line with a cap on it. Beside the chimney is another capped 3 inch pipe. It's hard for me to imagine how this stuff is all tied together when it doesn't appear to cross the basement wall at all, which it would need to do to get to the road or the septic.

When I tear the basement apart to try to track down the smell and make the wiring not a bowl of spaghetti, I'm hoping I'll find something, anything, that could point me in the right direction. Already replaced the pressure controller before the meter last year, and it really didn't do a lot of good despite the old one being thoroughly destroyed from age and being installed upside down.

BBut, I'm noticing now that I'm paying attention, the only time we have pressure increases is after a big drain like the bath tub, washer, dishwasher. Washing knives in the sink, flushing the toilet, taking a shower, the pressure stays steady.

I actually bought an air hammer arrester, haven't installed it yet because lazy and easily distracted, but I'm not sure it would even do much good.

OHSCrifle
OHSCrifle GRM+ Memberand SuperDork
4/14/21 4:31 p.m.

I was brainstorming mostly because you mentioned the bathtub drain opening.. and bad venting isn't unusual in an old house. I wasn't sure what "toilet sprayer" meant. 

CJ (FS)
CJ (FS) GRM+ Memberand HalfDork
4/14/21 7:15 p.m.

So you have a 3/4" main coming in from the street goes directly to water heater?  1/2" cold is tapped off of the 3/4" main prior to the water heater and the output from the water heater is 1/2"?  Sounds like your hot and cold distribution lines are inadequate. 

Could the water pressure change when the tub is draining be due to the taps being closed and all the pressure getting to the basement? 

Maybe try checking the pressure in the basement when all of the upstairs stuff is off, and then have the demon turn on the taps in the upstairs bath on and see what happens?

RevRico
RevRico UltimaDork
4/14/21 8:39 p.m.

In reply to CJ (FS) :

Downstairs at the main its set at 65. There's a hose bib near the meter that makes checking easy. When the pressure spikes, it hits 172 or thereabouts. 

When we moved in the water heater was spraying water out of the pressure relief valve pretty much all the time. I replaced the valve, and everything was still crazy, that's when we replaced the regulator before the meter, which was totally shot judging by the dissection. When the previous owners left, they shut the main off, but also all the various loops around the house. This has caused all sorts of problems, even after simplifying some loops a bit and replacing old broken valves. 

The plumbing, like the wiring, paint,  drywall patches, etc was patchworked the cheapest way possible for 40 years. It's all going to need dealt with and replaced over the years. But noticing the pressure increase when a big drain occurred instead of just being surprised by high pressure seemed like as good a lead as I'm going to find. 

The pressure goes up throughout the house when this happens until a valve opens anywhere, it normalises almost immediately. I recently saw a hose thread vacuum breaker, I'm thinking about putting one on a spare hose just to see if it makes a difference. 

Just a sweated on union from 3/4 to 1/2, it's the line on the wall.

It goes from that reducer, up to a T, one end up one down, down has another T that goes down to hot water in and out to downstairs bathroom and laundry tub. They split up more than what's pictured, and believe it or not this is cleaner than when we moved in.

RevRico
RevRico UltimaDork
4/14/21 8:42 p.m.
OHSCrifle said:

I was brainstorming mostly because you mentioned the bathtub drain opening.. and bad venting isn't unusual in an old house. I wasn't sure what "toilet sprayer" meant. 

I bought a fancy bidet toilet seat right before the great toilet paper shortage of '20.

GCrites80s
GCrites80s HalfDork
4/15/21 9:57 a.m.
RevRico said:

 so there's 2 coops. The big one for the 4 that are the same, and the little one for the others.

Well today was moving day

One just didn't want to let go of Dana. Totally scared of the grass. They're getting better now about it though.

 

These chickens are getting pumped for cicadas this summer!

OHSCrifle
OHSCrifle GRM+ Memberand SuperDork
4/15/21 7:33 p.m.
RevRico said:
OHSCrifle said:

I was brainstorming mostly because you mentioned the bathtub drain opening.. and bad venting isn't unusual in an old house. I wasn't sure what "toilet sprayer" meant. 

I bought a fancy bidet toilet seat right before the great toilet paper shortage of '20.

That makes a lot more sense than the "kitchen sink sprayer next to the toilet" that I was picturing.  LOL. 
 

..I gotta get one of those seats. 

RevRico
RevRico UltimaDork
4/18/21 4:28 p.m.

that's much better

RevRico
RevRico UltimaDork
4/23/21 11:09 a.m.

may not look like much in the picture, but I can almost fit a car in my two car garage again. 

Still need to rewire it, replace the work bench, more shelves, new Pegg board, new chemicals, but dammit there's some floor space now.

RevRico
RevRico UltimaDork
4/24/21 10:43 a.m.

$30 and 30 minutes later

Still have to figure out something for my axe handled tools, but this helps. Way to flimsy to move much on the wheels it came with, but study enough to stay in one place.

RevRico
RevRico UltimaDork
4/27/21 10:55 a.m.

Well that as a fun 2.5 hours. I can barely move now, but everything except beets, carrots, and melons are in the dirt now. 45 ish pepper plants, 28 tomatoes, from 60 of each, survived to the dirt. 

RevRico
RevRico UltimaDork
5/11/21 5:24 p.m.

new work bench top acquired, just needs cut to width. Heavy bastard. 60x32x5 I'm guessing 200lbs, maybe a little less, since I messed up my shoulder things feel heavier than they are. Still, took 3 to get it in the ranger. 

This table i want to put it in is only 24 5/8 inches wide inside, that grate is 32"at its widest. Good thing I have a plasma cutter, but now I need to decide if this is going in the garage I use all the time or the winter garage. 

 

The garden is dead, frost came through 5 days after planting. Another frost warning tonight. 

A note for future me.

hey dumbass pay attention to this

may 11th still frosty. Peppers were fine started mid February, tomatoes were overgrown started in early March. 

Plant tomatoes and cukes on saint paddies day, expect to keep everything indoors until harleighs party. 

RevRico
RevRico UltimaDork
5/16/21 8:54 p.m.

 somebody stole my Fusebox and left a sub panel in its place.

they also ripped out the old bow shaped Pegg board and falling apart particle board work bench. There's 2 pieces of 18x36 galvanized peg board waiting to go up. 

 

They also took the horrible cursed coil top cook top and put a flat glass one in its place, no pictures yet.

After I get a lot of clean up done, I'll get pictures and better explanations. 

RevRico
RevRico UltimaDork
5/17/21 11:48 a.m.

 new cook top. Not quite as nice as the one on the convection oven from the last house I finally had to sell, but IT'S berkeleyING FLAT. 

Turns out, not all 30" cooktops share the same sized counter top hole. 2 good cuts with the circular saw and 3 jig saw blades later, I made it fit. I also learned SWMBO, who works 6a to 2p on Sundays *thinks* "sorry, left a bit of a mess in the kitchen, Mike's here we're electricians now" is a cute and funny text, until she comes home and finds fine sawdust throughout EVERYTHING in the kitchen. Whoops. It's been 7 years, should know by now if I'm warning you I left a mess, there's a berkeleying mess. 

 

I've acquired a circuit tracker, finally, after years of begging and its owner thinking he'd already given it to me. Rainy day work, but I'll get everything labeled eventually.

 

When we put the sub panel up in the garage, I changed a few circuit locations and loops. Now, all the lights in the garage come on when you turn on the hallway light switch. The upstairs dryer is in the garage panel now, and it's wire was scavenged to fix the water heater line that was rubbing on the freezer door. Added 220 to the garage with an outlet that matches my extension cord. 

What all that did was leave me 4 open slots on the basement panel, so when we refinish the basement living room, I can run my circuits easier, instead of needing to work in the box that is set in finished drywall on the basement steps. 

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