Super Car 90s, bench racing.......

On a positive note, what I love about Grassroots Motorsports is what it shows a car can really do at a track for us weekend warriors. I never cared much about top speed, but what I do love is watching someone with an overpowered car sliding out of a corner in my review mirror, like an off ramp

MCarp22 wrote:

dean1484 wrote: I think your list needs some revamping to properly sort out your initial question.

It reads like someone printed out the car list from Gran Turismo 2 and threw darts at it.

Now that's funny.

Did a little homework and the CLK 55 AMG cost about 82K new. My S4 was 67K (dealer asking price) The GTS looks to be the same $$$$ wise as the AMG with a dealer list at $82,000 for the 95 model year. Interesting as I actually thought it was going to be more.

It is also interesting that the quoted top speed is 171 and I know for a fact that that is wrong. I could have sworn that during the 90's cars were being under rated to keep the insurance company happy (same as what happened in latter part of the mucel car era?)

On a funny side note in the factory manual that comes with the MB 560sel it states that "this car is designed to cruising at twice the legal speed limit in the united states" I found that really funny when I read it back in 87. And there was no top speed given in the MB owners manual jut that it could go 2x as fast as you needed to go here in the states.

According to the Wiki page the 968 club sport had a top speed of 160 mph. Just guessing here but if this is from published Porsche literature this is going to be close to 175 in reality.

Now you have got me curious as to the power to weight ratio of the two cars.

Ok back after doing some homework and I found that the 968CS and the 928GTS are actually closer in spec than I thought. If you are a numbers geek the 928 wins but it really is about the driving experence between these two cars. The 968 really is a heavy sports car where as the 928 is a true GT car.

1993 Porsche 968CS

• 0-60: 6.1

• Quarter Mile: 14.7

1993 Porsche 928 GTS

• 0-60: 6.0

• Quarter Mile: 14.3

And my car:

1987 Porsche 928 S4

• 0-60 mph 5.4

• Quarter mile 13.7

And the interesting thing is if you go by the numbers the S4 I had was even faster than the later GTS cars. I am suspicious of this. The GTS cars of the 90's did come with allot more "stuff" in them like air bags and other things where as my 87 S4 was rather bare bones (no airbags and no gizmos other than power windows) But the numbers are saying it was faster then both the GTS and the CS. Interesting I would never had guessed that.

I got all this info from here. http://www.zeroto60times.com/vehicle-make/porsche-0-60-mph-times/

So take it for what it is worth.

I always loved the 928, looks the AMG GTR stole some of its styling on the rear don't ya think.

Just using Tsukuba as a reference point for anything tells me all I need to know about this thread.

Compare laptimes at a few different locations, like that Japanese Kart track mentioned above and at a place like The 'Ring or even Laguna Seca to allow some of the cars with longer legs to show their prowess.

Actually just using fastestlaps.com, some cars only have times in Japan, js.

dean1484 said:

According to the Wiki page the 968 club sport had a top speed of 160 mph. Just guessing here but if this is from published Porsche literature this is going to be close to 175 in reality.

Now you have got me curious as to the power to weight ratio of the two cars.

Ok back after doing some homework and I found that the 968CS and the 928GTS are actually closer in spec than I thought. If you are a numbers geek the 928 wins but it really is about the driving experence between these two cars. The 968 really is a heavy sports car where as the 928 is a true GT car.

1993 Porsche 968CS

• 0-60: 6.1

• Quarter Mile: 14.7

1993 Porsche 928 GTS

• 0-60: 6.0

• Quarter Mile: 14.3

And my car:

1987 Porsche 928 S4

• 0-60 mph 5.4

• Quarter mile 13.7

And the interesting thing is if you go by the numbers the S4 I had was even faster than the later GTS cars. I am suspicious of this. The GTS cars of the 90's did come with allot more "stuff" in them like air bags and other things where as my 87 S4 was rather bare bones (no airbags and no gizmos other than power windows) But the numbers are saying it was faster then both the GTS and the CS. Interesting I would never had guessed that.

I got all this info from here. http://www.zeroto60times.com/vehicle-make/porsche-0-60-mph-times/

So take it for what it is worth.

Dean just seen Sportauto lapped Hockenheim in a 95 Lotus Esprit S4S faster than a 928 GTS and Caranddriver lapped Willow Springs in a Corvette L82 faster than a 928S. The point is, it's not one of the best chassis at any speed, or there would have been alot of 200+mph motor swaps.

Tim Suddard said:

Don't forget the Viper.

As well as ths 1993 Acura NSX.....Performance and world beating reliability....

dougie said:

Tim Suddard said:

Don't forget the Viper.

As well as ths 1993 Acura NSX.....Performance and world beating reliability....

I have to agree, I regret not getting a low mile example for $20k a decade ago. I just hated the V6 didn't sound like a Renault Formula V6 and wasn't bulit like the S2000.