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Keith Tanner
Keith Tanner GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
4/4/16 10:05 p.m.

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BoxheadTim
BoxheadTim GRM+ Memberand UltimaDork
4/5/16 9:55 a.m.

In reply to mazdeuce:

Well, after a visit to Denver earlier in the year, my wife's already looking for an excuse to go back to Colorado...

It's only 1100 miles one way from here, after all.

Kreb
Kreb GRM+ Memberand UltraDork
4/5/16 10:28 a.m.

I have a friend who is one of "those guys" tracking his Porsches and Ferraris. We used to do ski vacations together. I keep trying to talk him into doing a tour of all the tracks in the country. But instead of driving to and fro, he'd just buy a surplus C130 and take all his pals along.

docwyte
docwyte Dork
4/5/16 10:54 a.m.

I've seen several cars get wrecked at Pueblo because of the wall on the outside of turn 10.

Just recently at an open track day at High Plains my friends GTS2 car got t-boned by a guy who, despite being a novice, put himself in the "fast" group. Did a ton of damage to my friends car, denied responsibility, then blamed my friend for causing the incident. Video proved otherwise.

I basically don't do open track days anymore, there's just too many variables in the attitudes of the people running, their skill sets and how (or even if) they've prepped their cars.

The slow car/fast car issue in the lower run groups is an issue, it can create a lot of problems. I always advise my students to utilize the hot pits, that'll usually get a few more relatively clear laps. That being said, there's no way I'd let a novice group on track with open passing. They're much too overwhelmed with just being on track, let alone passing or being passed safely with no rules.

Keith Tanner
Keith Tanner GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
4/5/16 11:24 a.m.

That T10 wall is close at Pueblo, and you've got to cross over the drag strip launch area to get there with multiple changes in traction. I've never seen a car go into it, but I have noticed that most drivers leave a lot of margin there.

intrepid
intrepid New Reader
4/5/16 2:10 p.m.

T10 at Pueblo is especially bad on a Saturday morning after they have had the Friday night drags. The fresh rubber is really a problem. A bit of rain makes things even worse.

I still love Pueblo, but its a shame they didn't really fix T 10 when they had a chance.

-chris r.

Dietcoke
Dietcoke Reader
4/5/16 2:13 p.m.

I'm dreading HPDE1-2 in a 500hp exocet. Hopefully I can get out of that quagmire in a weekend. I wish more wheel experience trasferred into a nasa license.

Keith Tanner
Keith Tanner GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
4/5/16 2:15 p.m.

I swear, fixing T10 has been on the to-do list at Pueblo since my first visit there 15 years ago.

johndej
johndej Reader
4/5/16 2:38 p.m.

Any idea how much of a road block a stock NA (+roll bar, star specs, and picking brake pads now) would be at VIR/Summit Point/Dominion Raceway (I know no one has run there yet really).

Huckleberry
Huckleberry MegaDork
4/5/16 2:49 p.m.
johndej wrote: Any idea how much of a road block a stock NA (+roll bar, star specs, and picking brake pads now) would be at VIR/Summit Point/Dominion Raceway (I know no one has run there yet really).

The answer to that is really based on your experience level. If you are an advanced driver, instructor or racer that is used to dealing with the flow then almost none whatsover.

It is in the more inexperienced groups that require acknowledgement, then permission to overtake where bottlenecks occur. Often times - in the beginning group it's the easier to drive cars that are faster regardless of HP so... it's those guys in the Miatas complaining they are being held up. Then, when the faster car drivers learn a little more the opposite becomes true.

Once everyone is up to speed - they should be able to work the traffic so they are not held up and are not holding anyone up very much at all.

However, it can be very tedious to be a very experienced driver, driving a slow car in very fast, equally skilled company. I'd rather race a slow car in a similar class than DE one.

mazdeuce
mazdeuce PowerDork
4/5/16 3:16 p.m.
Dietcoke wrote: I'm dreading HPDE1-2 in a 500hp exocet. Hopefully I can get out of that quagmire in a weekend. I wish more wheel experience trasferred into a nasa license.

What part of the country are you in? I know most of the people in Texas who you would talk to about that.

mazdeuce
mazdeuce PowerDork
4/5/16 3:20 p.m.
Keith Tanner wrote: I swear, fixing T10 has been on the to-do list at Pueblo since my first visit there 15 years ago.
sleepyhead
sleepyhead New Reader
4/5/16 6:57 p.m.
wearymicrobe wrote:
sesto elemento wrote: In the movie "rush" they are arguing about if it's safe to run the ring in the rain, during this argument, someone says that Lauda is just scared, to this he replies that he has the track record, close to 7 mins flat (I don't remember exactly what his time was). That 's in a formula 1 car on slicks.
I was just talking today about this at a show with some s2K guys that run at Willow. Niki did a 6:58 ring time in 1975. Most cars of that era like had like 500hp in race trim (1975 Ferrari 312T) I imagine that some privately owned cars on this forum can do that time at the ring. I am betting one of mine can do it on slicks with the AC running and a much better driver then me. So yeah completely different idea of speed now.

Keep in mind, the Nurburgring was a different layout in '75... a bit over a mile longer than now. Also, keep in mind that 'Manufacturer Times' are different than the Touristenfahrten (TF) laptimes. Manufacturer Times are essentially 'flying laps' including using the full Dottingen Holle, whereas the TF are 'Bridge to Gantry' and start/stop on that straight.

I'd agree with other posts about opening up passing zones in Intermediate. That was one of the eye-opening aspects of getting laps at the 'Ring... which is essentially "open passing" as long as it's on the left (in TF in operates as a public road)... thus turn signals are used for point-bys (indicate right to show that you see the car behind, car behind indicates left to pass). I found it's a lot easier to handle multiple 'point-bys' with turn signals than with 'hand out the window'.

I'll agree with others before, that I've noticed an increase in the speed of drivers in Intermediate now compared to 2010 or so. I think a lightly modded NB, though, is getting to about the sweet spot of power/handling compared to a 1.6 early-1.8 NA.

JBasham
JBasham New Reader
4/6/16 8:08 a.m.
johndej wrote: Any idea how much of a road block a stock NA (+roll bar, star specs, and picking brake pads now) would be at VIR/Summit Point/Dominion Raceway (I know no one has run there yet really).

If you would like to HPDE those tracks with Founders Region PCA, you will be welcome, and a good time will be had by all. I actually keep thinking about renting a prepped Miata to run at Summit Main with PCA just to see what the car is like. I even did Watkins Glen with Miatas in the mid-level run groups with Founders PCA.

I don't know anything about the other groups that run on those tracks; they may be fine for Miatas too. The BMW clubs I run with would have no problem with the car's speed, but they require a fixed roof, so Miatas, Boxters, Z3s and Z4s, etc. are out.

Jerry
Jerry UltraDork
4/6/16 8:19 a.m.

Having just signed up for my first Track Night in America in the Abarth, I'm a little concerned about my very novice driving and 160-170HP car mixed in with Mustang's, Challenger's, Porsche varieties, etc.

I could drive the MR2 and just leave my left arm out the window making circles pointing everyone by continuously...

chaparral
chaparral HalfDork
4/6/16 8:51 a.m.

Road America, Road Atlanta, and Texas World Speedway all need groups by car speed as well as driver experience. A Miata doing 105 MPH into 1 at TWS might as well be parked compared to the 160 MPH 'Vettes, and the same applies into turn 3, turn 4, turn 7, and turn 10. Road America makes everything slower than an IndyCar look like it's crawling.

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