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kazoospec
kazoospec SuperDork
2/28/18 10:21 a.m.

I know this is the type of observation can get one banned from the petrol-head club, and I'll be the first to admit, from the video's I've seen, it makes appropriately glorious Ferrari noises, but from a styling perspective, to me it looks like Ferrari boosted some Stingray concept drawings for the new 812 Superfast.  Pics for discussion purposes: 

 

Please feel free to tell me I'm wrong.  I won't be offended.  Also, I'm not even saying it's a bad thing if true.  I like the new Vettes, it just seems odd to have Ferrari imitating others.  

racerdave600
racerdave600 UltraDork
2/28/18 10:24 a.m.

The Ferrari is debatably better looking, but it does resemble the Corvette for sure.

Suprf1y
Suprf1y PowerDork
2/28/18 10:24 a.m.

The front end for sure

Furious_E
Furious_E GRM+ Memberand SuperDork
2/28/18 10:27 a.m.

Yea, take the badges off and I'd probably identify that as the next gen Vette. Front end has a lot of C7 look to it and the quad tail lamps are a Corvette hallmark. 

Not that any of this is necessarily a bad thing, I think that's a very good looking car and overall better executed than any Vette (and I generally like the C7), just odd to look at a Ferrari and go "OMG that looks like a Chevy!"

pres589
pres589 PowerDork
2/28/18 10:41 a.m.

Remember when Ferrari's were pretty?  

Indy-Barely Functional-Guy
Indy-Barely Functional-Guy SuperDork
2/28/18 10:46 a.m.

Yes, looks very much resemble a Corvette

barefootskater
barefootskater Reader
2/28/18 10:46 a.m.

I'm not a fan of this or the current vette. I did see a 458 the other day which is a rare sight in my little town. Now that is a pretty car.

fidelity101
fidelity101 UltraDork
2/28/18 10:47 a.m.

what another stupid name

 

next one is gonna be XL8ER so some nerd can get a good vanity plate.

alfadriver
alfadriver MegaDork
2/28/18 10:49 a.m.

In the past, where one sees sharp creases in the Vette, the Ferrari would use come kind of compound curve- or more correctly, Pininfarina would use a compound curve to cover the same space.  It wasn't until the Daytona where they started putting sharp creases in the car.

But up until now, they were able to use enough of that to make sure that it looked like a Ferrari and not something else.  This car is odd.  And I agree that it looks to Vette like.

Chris_V
Chris_V UberDork
2/28/18 10:59 a.m.
Furious_E said:

and the quad tail lamps are a Corvette hallmark. 

 

I could go on, but you get the drift.

Plus, front engine, RWD, 2 seat GTs all tend to look alike, and all have common ancestry. From this Ferrari to Corvettes, to Astons, to, well you get the picture. It's always the details that are different and set them apart.

 

1988RedT2
1988RedT2 UltimaDork
2/28/18 11:10 a.m.

Superfast?  Are they really calling it that?

The original Superfast:

Edit:  Okay, so maybe I'm wrong.  Ferrari first used the name Superfast around 1964.  Matchbox started using the name around 1970.

 

DrBoost
DrBoost MegaDork
2/28/18 11:11 a.m.

It looks MUCH better than the 'vette. GM put more strakes, vents, and plastic that i thought was possible. 

It's a 2-door Aztek. 

Chris_V
Chris_V UberDork
2/28/18 11:12 a.m.
DrBoost said:

It looks MUCH better than the 'vette. GM put more strakes, vents, and plastic that i thought was possible. 

It's a 2-door Aztek. 

The Corvette scoops and vents all function and function very well.

Chris_V
Chris_V UberDork
2/28/18 11:21 a.m.
1988RedT2 said:

Superfast?  Are they really calling it that?

The original Superfast:

Los of Ferrari Superfast history, though from the '50s and '60s.

Ferrari 410 Superfast:

Another Superfast from the '50s:

Ferrari 500 Superfast:

Driven5
Driven5 SuperDork
2/28/18 11:25 a.m.

The best I can say is it looks like the styling was borrowed from the Corvette about as much as the Corvette looks like the styling was borrowed from Ferrari.

Honestly, I see nothing in the rear of that which  looks nearly as disjointed from the front as the Corvette, whose tail is apparently trying to look like something out of Michael Bay's imagination in contrast to the reasonably attractive nose and side profile.  Speaking of the sides, I'm not getting any crossover in the side panel sculpting.  Quad (circular) tail lamps are arguably even more of a Ferrari hallmark than a Corvette. 

If combining the headlight duct with the headlight itself for shape, sure there might be a passing resemblance to the inattentive at a glance with the Corvette headlights.  But the headlight itself looks (modern) Ferrari to me, as does the use of a duct immediately adjacent to it.  Maybe if Corvette had a monopoly on long sloping contoured hood, pointy nose, and thin wide grill as a result of the pointy nose, then I suppose you could say that is a noticeable similarity...But it could just as easily be argued the reason that those are being associated with the Corvette is simply due to the number of Corvettes we see relative to the number of Ferrari's.

This seems to me more like a combination of the brain seeing what it wants to see and filling in the blanks with what it is most familiar with.

Tony Sestito
Tony Sestito PowerDork
2/28/18 11:49 a.m.

To me, that looks like a next-gen 360 Modena (yes, I know there are a bunch of Ferraris in between this and that). And the C6 looks like one of those. 

That said, I really like the new Superfast. That's hot. 

Bob the REAL oil guy.
Bob the REAL oil guy. MegaDork
2/28/18 11:56 a.m.

when CoD and aero become your key design influences, things are going to start looking very similar. 

 

STM317
STM317 Dork
2/28/18 11:58 a.m.

It's not the first time there's been a strong resembalance:

 

That being said, there's only so many ways that a front engine, RWD, 2 seat sport coupe with 500+hp can be shaped. They have similar cooling needs, similar performance targets, and they have to comply with the same emissions and crash standards.

pushrod36
pushrod36 Reader
2/28/18 12:06 p.m.

I'm beginning to suspect that most automakers are using the same software with very similar boundary conditions.  This is causing them to get the same/similar answer to the question about what is an efficient design.

It may also be related to the increasing number of laws/standards about things like how high the headlights have to be.

Knurled.
Knurled. GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
2/28/18 12:11 p.m.
Bob the REAL oil guy. said:

when CoD and aero become your key design influences, things are going to start looking very similar. 

 

I was gonna say "there are only so many ways to make a Coke Bottle shaped amorphous blob" but your way is more polite.

OldGray320i
OldGray320i Dork
2/28/18 12:16 p.m.
Bob the REAL oil guy. said:

when CoD and aero become your key design influences, things are going to start looking very similar. 

 

QFT.

A lot of sedans have the very same roofline and profile. 

Gov't regs about fleet emissions/mileage dictate. 

The discussions on cats/individual model emissions outputs has definitely brought advantages in engine performance. 

But my point in the cats thread about diminishing returns and what gains can be had now that everything burns so clean gives mfg's little leeway  outside ugly grills.

Lots of factors to consider in making policy, but my perception is we're straining a gnat with emissions improvements, and it affects aesthetics. 

Thus Vettes and Ferraris that look like they're made by the same company. 

NEALSMO
NEALSMO UberDork
2/28/18 12:20 p.m.

I thought the C7 looked like a Ferrari, so I guess I have to agree that the Ferrari looks like a Vette.

Furious_E
Furious_E GRM+ Memberand SuperDork
2/28/18 12:27 p.m.

In reply to Chris_V :

Ok, you got me there cheeky

STM317
STM317 Dork
2/28/18 12:36 p.m.
NEALSMO said:

I thought the C7 looked like a Ferrari, so I guess I have to agree that the Ferrari looks like a Vette.

Wait, does that mean that the Viper looks like a Ferrari too? I guess that one could be considered "family resemblance" to a small degree

NOHOME
NOHOME UltimaDork
2/28/18 1:07 p.m.

When the chief design Stylist on your project goes by the name of "Mr Aero Dynamics"  working on behalf of a client called "Physics Inc." your design window gets pretty limited.

 

My preference is always for smooth uninterrupted 3D curves. But I have a feeling such designs are not the most efficient use of space and limited in aero management.

 

Pete

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