I'm excited that it's going to be a hybrid, I'm not excited about the fact that it is going to be all-wheel drive. Even though I expect that the hybrid portion of the powertrain will drive one set of wheels.
It better have double wishbone up front and an independent rear. It better have a manual transmission available. And as much as I care about weight, chassis dynamics with regards to weight in hybrids are so different Then how we think about weight traditionally with internal combustion engines and chassis with regards to handling dynamics. If you put a ton of weight low, IE the batteries, It helps with mechanical grip and traction, but it still takes force to get it moving. Ideally I would want to see it within the 3,200 range or less, and I acknowledge that really anything over 2,800 is an insult to the name Integra. But it's been over 20 years and the market has changed.
I'll close in saying this with regards to my thoughts, Good luck to the forthcoming WRX and STI. Because if I can get a Honda engineered AWD sports coupe that's a hybrid and matchups up with the performance output of your exploding turbo charged boxer grenades, I'm not even stopping into your dealership for a test drive.
In reply to captdownshift (Forum Supporter) :
Same here, and I think I like Subaru more than Honda at this point.
In reply to Appleseed :
I really like Subaru on paper, and I owned an 05 STi purchased new for 28000ish trouble free miles of fun hooning. But I like the idea of Honda ownership much more. Subaru is the only Japanese manufacturer that I put into the category of "lease not buy" in the same light as the majority of German manufacturers. Knowing that if you drive one for 100,000 mi that you're likely going to encounter a $3-6k repair during that time frame, or if you DIY it, expect it to be on jackstands for several months while you take on said repair, that still will cost $1-2k, so you better have reliable alternative transportation.
trigun7469 said:
"(hopefully) a manual transmission" "will share the platform with the civic Si"
So It will probably be a luxury version of the Civic SI? probably be automatic only in the US? Euro get the tricked out manual version.
Is that not what the original Integra was?
pointofdeparture said:
We have the 400Z and new GR86/BRZ coming out for 2022, if Acura management is smart they will be benchmarking against those cars.
They have the Civic turbo drivetrains and 6-speed manual, and the new TLX brought back the double wishbones (even if it is overweight) so it's not like the parts bin stuff isn't there to make something good.
I won't condemn it before we get more details but I'm not terribly optimistic either.
There is also supposed to be a new STi next fall as well.
Acura:"hey everyone, the integra's back!"
People who realize: boo!
If the new Integra is basically a re-skinned CTR, it might bring the values of used CTRs down to an amount I could imagine paying..
In reply to Ian F (Forum Supporter) :
I suppose that would be an upside.
In reply to captdownshift (Forum Supporter) :
When the Ford Focus RS came out, I just couldn't shake the idea that for twice the price of a Focus ST you really just have a few gadgets and AWD. Perhaps by re-branding the Civic Si to integra allows people to see past that it's just a Civic Si for twice the price. Point taken about the Subaru vs. Honda reliability. I would imagine that $40k would be the starting point which bows me out of the running until they are 20 years old and all clapped out.
In reply to captdownshift (Forum Supporter) :
Where are you hearing that the new Integra is an AWD hybrid? The official Acura press says nothing of the sort. I'm not seeing anything other than speculation on the drivetrain and hybrid-ness.
The only comments I'm seeing that say it's an AWD hybrid are "we anticipate it may likely be" type of thing.
trigun7469 said:
In reply to captdownshift (Forum Supporter) :
When the Ford Focus RS came out, I just couldn't shake the idea that for twice the price of a Focus ST you really just have a few gadgets and AWD.
Well... if you count significantly larger brakes, a larger engine with (allegedly 
) roughly 30-35% more power, electronically controlled damping, and an innovative AWD system that hadn't really been used before as "gadgets".
Plus, there was a lack of platform sharing with other AWD models, so there was no economy of scale.
Also, they were all built in Germany.
In reply to Pete. (l33t FS) :
And they're as reliable as a Subaru...
In reply to Pete. (l33t FS) :
The one with symmetrical all-wheel drive that has issues with leaky rear main seals, head gaskets, a #4 spark plugs that's a royal pain in the ass to get to and requires differential fluid to be replaced every 30k in a trio of differentials.
Unless we're going to talk about the unreliable turbocharged ones which are ALL of that AND more.
In reply to LeftLaneLoser :
I don't get some of the objections. Wasn't the integra really just a civic with an upgraded engine and interior?
Following that I'd assume something based on the civic chassis and whatever hybrid tech they have leftover from the NSX. I'd be pretty shocked if it has a stick, but who knows.
CrustyRedXpress said:
In reply to LeftLaneLoser :
I don't get some of the objections. Wasn't the integra really just a civic with an upgraded engine and interior?
Exactly! This is Honda's chance to make an upscale civic with decent styling. Do a type R so we can get a CTR without the awful fake scoops and vents.
Month and a half ago there was an item about no Civic SI coupe for 2022, does that point to an Integra Coupe?
In reply to CrustyRedXpress :
I thought integras were a big part of the Fast N furious lets swap everything out. I owned more Civics with Integra engines and brake swaps then Integras I owned.
In reply to Pete. (l33t FS) :
That's a lot of development to just do this
In reply to trigun7469 :
As it turns out, Drift Mode is not an aimbot that makes you look like a hero! 
Next up: hitting Gravel Mode in an Evo X does not turn an asphalt road into a gravel one.
Ian F (Forum Supporter) said:
If the new Integra is basically a re-skinned CTR, it might bring the values of used CTRs down to an amount I could imagine paying..
If the new Integra is basically a re-skinned CTR with a more subtle, adult look, I might buy one new off the lot. For me, I never even considered the CTR due to its appearance, and never would.
I just hope they don't lose their minds like Toyota did with their legendary fan-favorite and we get a Mercedes with a Honda badge on it or something.
