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Hasbro
Hasbro Dork
9/25/12 12:44 a.m.
Appleseed wrote: Wonder if you could order it sans body?

That's the way I would want to do it.

0100
0100 New Reader
9/25/12 7:48 a.m.

Stop crying. Buy it in black and destroy pretty much everything on the track and street. If you want something to pull bitches (and they are all bitches), buy a 348 ts, they can be had for under $30 now. You better know how to wrench though. If you want a K engine buy an elise with a blown engine and dump one in that. If you want a DSM get a superlite apex.

4cylndrfury
4cylndrfury UltimaDork
9/25/12 7:52 a.m.
GameboyRMH wrote: Looks like a lot of front overhang but the overall shape's OK.

yep, rhinoplasty is needed, stat...that nose is hideous.

4cylndrfury
4cylndrfury UltimaDork
9/25/12 8:16 a.m.
0100 wrote: Stop crying. Buy it in black and destroy pretty much everything on the track and street. If you want something to pull bitches (and they are all bitches), buy a 348 ts, they can be had for under $30 now. You better know how to wrench though. If you want a K engine buy an elise with a blown engine and dump one in that. If you want a DSM get a superlite apex.

lol wut?!?

carguy123
carguy123 PowerDork
9/25/12 8:32 a.m.
0100 wrote: Stop crying. Buy it in black and destroy pretty much everything on the track and street. If you want something to pull bitches (and they are all bitches), buy a 348 ts, they can be had for under $30 now. You better know how to wrench though. If you want a K engine buy an elise with a blown engine and dump one in that. If you want a DSM get a superlite apex.

Methinks someone from FFR didn't like what you had to say.

dj06482
dj06482 GRM+ Memberand HalfDork
9/25/12 9:02 a.m.

I believe the wheels in the picture were photoshopped in, I think the nose looks better in the full picture without the wheels. Time will tell...

BTW, hopefully everyone noticed the plywood splitter, they must have seen reading the LeGrand series...

4cylndrfury
4cylndrfury UltimaDork
9/25/12 9:05 a.m.
dj06482 wrote: I believe the wheels in the picture were photoshopped in, I think the nose looks better in the full picture without the wheels. Time will tell...

regardless of wheels, when the nose and the door are the same length, and the engine isnt in the nose, you have too much overhang.

0100
0100 New Reader
9/25/12 9:11 a.m.

Nah not from FFR and not buying an 818, already have a spec miata that takes up all my time. If anything it would be the catfish as I know the miata like the back of my hand. I just can't stand the stupid comments. It is what it is, if you don't like it move on to one of a million other cars on the market. If someone is talking esthetics, they are obviously buying this type of car for the wrong reason, buy the looker (Ferrari). Others wanted a project for a K and DSM engine, I gave them the option. Do you understand my comment now or do I have to spell it out more...

Ian F
Ian F PowerDork
9/25/12 10:22 a.m.

In reply to 0100:

We live on hashing out over stupid comments. I agree it is what it is. I'm just disappointed in what it turned out to be. I also disagree about not buying this car for the aesthetics. I would argue the #1 reason anyone would go through the effort to build a kit car is because they like how it looks. If performance was the sole reason, one could spend a lot less money to go much faster.

0100
0100 New Reader
9/25/12 5:23 p.m.

^yeah I do agree with you, probably went a little overboard with aesthetics not being a factor. If the car is ugly no matter how fast it is, I wouldn't spend all my hard earn money and time building one. I have no plans to buy one, but I think personally it looks pretty nice so far. I can't give you my honest opinion till I see the final product in the flesh. Yeah you have your LSx miatas, e36s, 240s, rx7s, etc etc. I still think a well built 818 will out perform these for the same price. I run silviaV8.com and have built and raced a monster LS2 s13 (sold now), and have done a few track days in my buddies FD LS1 car. These cars are bloody fast, but I still think a lighter and better engine placement 818 will outperform them on the track. All this said an LS3 catfish would be my dream car right now.

carguy123
carguy123 PowerDork
9/25/12 7:28 p.m.

As far as there being too much overhang, I'm not too sure. Overhang allows you to blend nose bodywork back into the rest of the body more gracefully than the something like the prototype cars.

It can create issues getting up driveways, but look at an XKE and without the longer nose they'd never have made that gorgeous body.

As long as the overhang is cosmetic and not a lot of weight then it won't change handling characteristics.

z31maniac
z31maniac PowerDork
9/25/12 7:48 p.m.
4cylndrfury wrote:
0100 wrote: Stop crying. Buy it in black and destroy pretty much everything on the track and street. If you want something to pull bitches (and they are all bitches), buy a 348 ts, they can be had for under $30 now. You better know how to wrench though. If you want a K engine buy an elise with a blown engine and dump one in that. If you want a DSM get a superlite apex.
lol wut?!?

Me thinks someone is lost.....

Appleseed
Appleseed PowerDork
9/25/12 8:08 p.m.

I'll wait until a few important this get added, like lights, windshield, and DOORS, before I pass judgment. Those missing things screw up the lines making it look like a half assed KTM X-Bow.

0100
0100 New Reader
9/25/12 8:33 p.m.
z31maniac wrote: Me thinks someone is lost.....

How am I lost, read the thread again from start to finish and you will understand what my comment addressed. Next time post something useful.

kreb
kreb GRM+ Memberand SuperDork
9/25/12 10:45 p.m.

It strikes me that some here have the unfortunate tendency to eat their young. Half the posts on the Toybaru bitch about it. Now we get to hear how hideous the 818 is. Clearly we'd be better off with a bunch of rental-spec sedans because these god-awful enthusiast vehicles are just stinking up the place

Hasbro
Hasbro Dork
9/25/12 11:16 p.m.

I concurred earlier that I'd like the kit sans the body. The reason being that I have wanted to find a space frame mid engined kit for my body design. I think the 818 body is ok and would look way more finished than my concept. I just wouldn't want it for myself. I am excited about the project, though.

DaewooOfDeath
DaewooOfDeath Dork
9/25/12 11:48 p.m.
0100 wrote: Nah not from FFR and not buying an 818, already have a spec miata that takes up all my time. If anything it would be the catfish as I know the miata like the back of my hand. I just can't stand the stupid comments. It is what it is, if you don't like it move on to one of a million other cars on the market. If someone is talking esthetics, they are obviously buying this type of car for the wrong reason, buy the looker (Ferrari). Others wanted a project for a K and DSM engine, I gave them the option. Do you understand my comment now or do I have to spell it out more...

Wow be unto he who, entering the sacred confines of GRM, doth dare to suggest modifications to the pure and holy automobile.

Thus spake the lord ...

DaewooOfDeath
DaewooOfDeath Dork
9/25/12 11:50 p.m.
carguy123 wrote: It can create issues getting up driveways, but look at an XKE and without the longer nose they'd never have made that gorgeous body. As long as the overhang is cosmetic and not a lot of weight then it won't change handling characteristics.

You were saying?

Way better than a normal E Type IMO.

Kenny_McCormic
Kenny_McCormic Reader
9/26/12 12:01 a.m.

A car this light with the 160hp or whatever a stock NA Subaru motor is currently good for is still pretty quick

4cylndrfury
4cylndrfury UltimaDork
9/26/12 5:11 a.m.

Errrm 010010guy...first, as a newcomer I wouldn't necessarily expect you to be aware of the contest that was conducted here between ff5 And grm to help design the body. There were some ridiculously talented offerings posted. The "winner" was seriously sexy with great proportions and a very graceful stance. That thing ff5 has shown us was reported by a supposed ex employee of the group (or something) as a design that existed before the contest, and in my opinion, looks almost nothing like the winner. That ugly ass car has all the aesthetic styling cues of an early 90s firebird mulletmobile.

Second, I'm not sure where you get off telling people to post something useful after your weird dsm k engine post.

Hang around a bit and get to know the place before you spout off like your opinion has clout.

Kthxbai

Catatafish
Catatafish Reader
9/26/12 5:31 a.m.
4cylndrfury wrote: Errrm 010010guy...first, as a newcomer I wouldn't necessarily expect you to be aware of the contest that was conducted here between ff5 And grm to help design the body. There were some ridiculously talented offerings posted. The "winner" was seriously sexy with great proportions and a very graceful stance. That thing ff5 has shown us was reported by a supposed ex employee of the group (or something) as a design that existed before the contest, and in my opinion, looks almost nothing like the winner. That ugly ass car has all the aesthetic styling cues of an early 90s firebird mulletmobile. Second, I'm not sure where you get off telling people to post something useful after your weird dsm k engine post. Hang around a bit and get to know the place before you spout off like your opinion has clout. Kthxbai
Ian F
Ian F PowerDork
9/26/12 6:54 a.m.
4cylndrfury wrote: That ugly ass car has all the aesthetic styling cues of an early 90s firebird mulletmobile.

That's an insult to early '90s Firebirds. I am offended, dear sir. (slap...)

4cylndrfury
4cylndrfury UltimaDork
9/26/12 7:56 a.m.

yeah, Im bored

bravenrace
bravenrace PowerDork
9/26/12 8:16 a.m.

In reply to 4cylndrfury:

Yup.

JKleiner
JKleiner New Reader
9/26/12 8:46 a.m.

Without getting into the aesthetic debate I'll just say that mechanicals and packaging are dictating the amount of overhang. Those same parameters also ruled out the buildability of some of the design submissions.

Jeff

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