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AaronT
AaronT Reader
9/13/21 8:39 a.m.
alfadriver said:
AaronT said:

In reply to New York Nick :

This just defies all logic: How do you check if a driver is okay while that driver is trying to get his car back in the race?

Ask?  Did he even ask with his tantrum walk back to the pits?

Did Lewis ask if Max was okay yesterday? 

New York Nick
New York Nick GRM+ Memberand Reader
9/13/21 8:48 a.m.

Actually Lewis did ask if Max was ok at Silverstone. Of course he was still driving so he asked Bono and was told that he was ok and moving in the car. 

I understand he is mad and I don't see him not going to the car as a big deal, it probably would have escalated an already heated moment but it's not fair to think that he was worried for his safety to check on him, he walked behind the Lewis's car on the walk back to the garage. 

I am good with leaving this where it is and joining 84FSP et. al. in celebrating for Danny and Lando! Lando and Zak did seem to understand the grossness of drinking from Danny's shoe, it was awesome to see the thrill of unexpected victory.

AaronT
AaronT Reader
9/13/21 8:53 a.m.

In reply to New York Nick :

No, I'm talking about yesterday. Did Lewis ask if max was okay at Monza. If not, he is equally as bad in the post-crash events as Max.

 

anyway, this is all kind of silly. Crashes will happen in racing, and especially in F1 while the cars are designed in a way that limits passing, while the cars are insanely wide, and while they are open wheel and crash with relatively small contact.

 

HoserRacing
HoserRacing HalfDork
9/13/21 8:54 a.m.

Max's car wasn't under Lewis', so I think it's a little different.  Coming home from dinner a few months back, came off the exit ramp, turned onto the cross road, and as soon as I got under the interstate I saw a wreck that had just happened.  Dust was still in the air, just the two cars there in bad positions.  I pulled over and went to check on them.  One guy was pulling out his phone to make a call, went to check on the other guy.  His car was totalled, a huge mess, blood running down his face, and he's trying to drive the car.  Had no idea what the crap he was doing, I'm telling him he needs to turn the car off, he's telling me to just give him a minute as he's revving the car up trying to pull over.  I finally reached through the shattered windshield and turned the car off.  Just because a car is doing something doesn't mean the driver is ok.  After a hit like that, check on the other guy.  Unless you're a Maxhole.  

alfadriver
alfadriver GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
9/13/21 9:03 a.m.
AaronT said:
alfadriver said:
AaronT said:

In reply to New York Nick :

This just defies all logic: How do you check if a driver is okay while that driver is trying to get his car back in the race?

Ask?  Did he even ask with his tantrum walk back to the pits?

Did Lewis ask if Max was okay yesterday? 

I would think he saw max jump out of his car, put the steering wheel back on, and stomp away like a little kid.  Seems pretty safe he knew.  

The point is that Max and Red BullE36 M3 expects everyone else to pander to them- give Max room, make sure Max is ok, aggressive and not desperate.  Something Max and Red BullE36 M3 don't do to anyone else.

If anything, all this has done is cemented my dislike of the entire Red BullE36 M3 empire.  I was a fan of Perez until he changed teams, now I keep wishing he has problems- to spite Horner.  Especially how he treated Gasley and Albon for that seat.   

Keith Tanner
Keith Tanner GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
9/13/21 9:19 a.m.

In reply to codrus (Forum Supporter) :

I don't bother distinguishing between Grand Prix and Formula 1 because it's really only just marketing. And yes, you have to go back to get a closed body GP car. But you CAN go back. 

I understand it's part of the brand and not a simple change. But we survived the change to hybrid drivetrains even though it meant the cars sounded different and everyone - led by Ecclestone - thought it was the end of the series. A closed wheel F1 car could look otherworldly and that might actually attract more attention. Defining your sport as "the way we've always done it" doesn't get you new fans. Plus there's the whole better passing and closer following and less catastrophic damage from a small bump thing. 
 

Like this...

trigun7469
trigun7469 SuperDork
9/13/21 10:02 a.m.

Monza is boring unless you have a new powerplant in the Merc car. Hopefully next years car can fix it. I like Checo, but I think they should have made a offer to Bottas. Bottas had a great weekend, I never thought he we podium yesterday. I thought Max vs. Lewis was a racing incident and having a 3 place penalty to Max gives the victory to Lewis at a Merc favorite track Sochi. Peter Windsor is comparing this battle to Senna vs. Prost, Lewis is defiantly Prost with Wolf fighting the political battles for him.  I don't know if Max is Senna, he is good, but is he that good? he is still young. So the 88 season Senna won and the 89 season Prost won. 88 season Senna had DSQ and 1 retirement and Prost had 2 retirements. 89 season Prost 3 retirements and Senna had 6 RET and DSQ. Max has 2 RET and Hamilton has 1 RET. 8 possible races left, I think there is defiantly going to be atleast 1 DSQ for max. 

Tom1200
Tom1200 SuperDork
9/13/21 10:48 a.m.

While I am a Hamilton fan, it was great to see Ricciardo win as he bring so much enthusiasm to the the podium.

Advan046
Advan046 UltraDork
9/13/21 12:36 p.m.
AaronT said:

Are you suggesting that Max should have walked up to a live Formula 1 car that was trying to move while it had another car sitting on top of it? 

Not at all, that would be very dangerous, . As someone else pointed out. Vettel was able to pause and get a thumbs up from Lando, something he probably wouldn't have done if he saw the intact car just stuck in the gravel. If  both Max and Lewis simply ended up in the gravel side by side, not a concern. But knowing you went on top of the other car, just a pause to make sure the other driver wasn't injured from a distance would be fine. Max was clear that he didn't give much thought to safety as he walked back onto the track to get back to his pit rather than going towards the tire wall first. Watching live I tensed up wondering if the corner worker was going to follow Max on track and if Mazepin and Schumacher would come careening through the chicane. At the same time I didn't think Lewis did the right thing trying to wiggle out from under Max's car. 

I wish it wouldn't be this way but former F1 driver Damon Hill says from his experience watching young drivers, for guys like Max they just don't seem to learn until they get into a few heavy shunts and feel the pain slow them down for a few races; then they seem care for the other drivers and there own safety. 

84FSP
84FSP UltraDork
9/13/21 12:44 p.m.

Almost forgot that Danny Ric won his bet with Zak.

Advan046
Advan046 UltraDork
9/13/21 1:01 p.m.

In reply to 84FSP :

Is that from when they were a little more closely related to production cars? or where they already just tube frames and flimsy sheet metal?

 

johndej
johndej Dork
9/13/21 1:12 p.m.

In reply to Advan046 :

Lol they've been partial tube frame since the mid 60s and purely a silhouette since the 70s.

06HHR (Forum Supporter)
06HHR (Forum Supporter) GRM+ Memberand Dork
9/13/21 1:15 p.m.

In reply to Advan046 :

Bodies were "stock" (had to be made from factory panels) but the frames were modified.  These were the downsized "2nd generation" cars where the wheelbase was shortened to 110 inches. https://www.nascar.com/gallery/the-evolution-of-nascar-sprint-cup-cars/#photo-8

Not exactly tube-frame specials.  IIRC those were the Trans-Am cars of that era.

New York Nick
New York Nick GRM+ Memberand Reader
9/13/21 1:15 p.m.

In reply to Advan046 :

Hard to say from this. IIRC these cars have custom chasis and they used "bodies in white" from the manufacturers. I think in the early part of Gen 3 they used the stock floor panels but I wouldn't swear to that. These were my favorite cars of NASCAR, if there was a series that raced these I would watch. Tony Stewarts SRX cars raced similar to these IMO.

84FSP
84FSP UltraDork
9/13/21 1:29 p.m.

In reply to New York Nick :

Awesome breakout for those of us not in the Nascar loop.  Overall I always love seeing those driver/series swap promo events.  

Advan046
Advan046 UltraDork
9/13/21 7:40 p.m.

In reply to New York Nick :

Quite helpful thanks!

New York Nick
New York Nick GRM+ Memberand Reader
9/13/21 8:30 p.m.

I couldn't find a better picture but this is a 1994 Thunderbird driven by Jeff Burton. The floor looks like a stock floor, not fabricated.

 

 I love race cars and how they build them, sorry I know this is the F1 thread so this is just research to understand how the Honey Badger is going to be seeing things!

loosecannon
loosecannon SuperDork
9/14/21 7:35 a.m.

Really good article over on Autosport How Verstappen is ruining his F1 title with Hamilton

z31maniac
z31maniac MegaDork
9/14/21 8:40 a.m.
Tom1200 said:

While I am a Hamilton fan, it was great to see Ricciardo win as he bring so much enthusiasm to the the podium.

I'm also a big hammy fan, still remember screaming at the TV when he beached it at the Chinese GP on pit lane!

But Danny Ric is great. Great sense of humor, seems like the kind of guy you'd want to sit down and have a beer or ten with. 

Advan046
Advan046 UltraDork
9/14/21 10:02 a.m.

Keith Tanner
Keith Tanner GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
9/14/21 12:29 p.m.
84FSP said:

Almost forgot that Danny Ric won his bet with Zak.

You're gonna be able to see Danny's smile from space that day. I really, really, really hope there are cameras present.

Streetwiseguy
Streetwiseguy MegaDork
9/14/21 12:52 p.m.

In reply to New York Nick :

There was a point, and I really don't remember exactly when, that they stopped using the floor pan from a 1965 Galaxy 500.  Or something.  I'd be guessing that pictured car would be very close to the end of that.

From a construction standpoint, until they started worrying about underbody airflow, having a pre formed floor pan probably saved a bucket of labour in building the car.

trigun7469
trigun7469 SuperDork
9/14/21 1:11 p.m.

In reply to Advan046 : 

The other comparison is the Sprint race Ric backed off, but was not coming in hot like Max from a previous lap. “If you no longer go for a gap which exists you are no longer a racing driver” Senna.

Keith Tanner
Keith Tanner GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
9/14/21 1:19 p.m.

"I'll purposefully take out my teammate if it wins me the championship" - also Senna

z31maniac
z31maniac MegaDork
9/14/21 1:26 p.m.

In reply to trigun7469 :

"To finish first, you must first finish."

A lot of guys miss that point.

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