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02Pilot
02Pilot UberDork
10/12/22 10:54 a.m.

In reply to jgrewe :

No, those are old and outdated failures. This model will include the latest in modern failures, completely different from those that came before (except in terms of cost to repair and catastrophic outcomes if ignored).

calteg
calteg SuperDork
10/12/22 11:04 a.m.
jgrewe said:

Does it have a dipstick?

Will it drip oil on its serpentine belt out of the oil filter housing?

Will it force feed itself that belt through the front seal if it fails?

To be fair, you could ask those same questions of a lot of modern cars. Late model Volvos come to mind

wspohn
wspohn SuperDork
10/12/22 11:42 a.m.

600 lbs. heavier than my Z4m seems a large penalty for having two seats that will probably seldom be used.  I'd love that engine in my car, though (you can buy a supercharger kit that puts the original S54 engine up there, but supercharging an engine with 11.5 compression just seems somehow unnatural to me....)

stonebreaker
stonebreaker New Reader
10/12/22 1:11 p.m.

In reply to CAinCA :

That's what I took away from the article, as well.  Why do modern cars weigh so much?

Region_Rat
Region_Rat New Reader
10/12/22 1:17 p.m.

She is definitely chunky...

msterbeau
msterbeau New Reader
10/12/22 1:38 p.m.

3800lbs?????  Eff that.  

Cars have become monstrous pigs in the pursuit of safety and technological bells and whistles. 

 

msterbeau
msterbeau New Reader
10/12/22 1:40 p.m.

In reply to Kreb (Forum Supporter) :

The excessive weight and the aesthetics to start... 

z31maniac
z31maniac MegaDork
10/12/22 2:26 p.m.
jgrewe said:

Does it have a dipstick?

Will it drip oil on its serpentine belt out of the oil filter housing?

Will it force feed itself that belt through the front seal if it fails?

I haven't heard anything about the B/S58 engines having the same failures as the N54/55 engines. 

Honsch
Honsch Reader
10/12/22 2:38 p.m.

What a pig.  My wife's Forester is 400 lbs less.

gbuff
gbuff New Reader
10/12/22 4:27 p.m.

At 2500# and change I'll keep throwing my Mini Cooper around and loving life; good luck if you throw that sow around and it gets away from you no

MauryH
MauryH GRM+ Memberand New Reader
10/12/22 4:50 p.m.

Back in the day - way back- my Dad had a '49 4-door Buick Roadmaster that was huge, even then. 

IIRC it was 'only' 4,000 lbs - 2 tons.

CAinCA
CAinCA GRM+ Memberand HalfDork
10/12/22 5:13 p.m.
Tom_Spangler (Forum Supporter) said:

Same, and speaking of us... uh.. larger folks. If these are the only seats available:

...then that's gonna be a "no" from me, dawg.

Crap! Those look, uh, comfortable. That nutbuster wedgy thingy will be real comfortable on long trips. frown

Olemiss540
Olemiss540 HalfDork
10/12/22 5:20 p.m.

Nowhere to go but up considering how butt ugly the new m3/m4 is so I guess they got that going for them! I think this is aimed more at the techie parking in garages in NYC and not the GRM tracking with a group of Porsches like BMW's used to be about. 

BlueInGreen - Jon
BlueInGreen - Jon UltraDork
10/12/22 5:22 p.m.
stonebreaker said:

In reply to CAinCA :

That's what I took away from the article, as well.  Why do modern cars weigh so much?

I don't think you keep 4-500hp cool, contained, and "reliable" in an oem context while keeping the weight down.

But if it didn't weigh 4000lbs you wouldn't need that much oomph to be quick so... meh.

Tyler H
Tyler H GRM+ Memberand UberDork
10/13/22 9:06 a.m.
CAinCA said:
Tom_Spangler (Forum Supporter) said:

Same, and speaking of us... uh.. larger folks. If these are the only seats available:

...then that's gonna be a "no" from me, dawg.

Crap! Those look, uh, comfortable. That nutbuster wedgy thingy will be real comfortable on long trips. frown

Those seats are part of the carbon package.  The nut-tuck is part of the ingress/egress procedure.

Cactus
Cactus HalfDork
10/13/22 11:47 a.m.

I miss tire sidewalls. I also miss square setups that you can rotate easily.

 

I guess if you're dropping this sort of coin on a car, you're probably ok dropping a bit more to have somebody else mess with your tires.

z31maniac
z31maniac MegaDork
10/13/22 1:00 p.m.
Cactus said:

I miss tire sidewalls. I also miss square setups that you can rotate easily.

 

I guess if you're dropping this sort of coin on a car, you're probably ok dropping a bit more to have somebody else mess with your tires.

M cars haven't had square setups since the '95 M3, IIRC

Slippery
Slippery GRM+ Memberand PowerDork
10/13/22 1:12 p.m.
z31maniac said:
Cactus said:

I miss tire sidewalls. I also miss square setups that you can rotate easily.

 

I guess if you're dropping this sort of coin on a car, you're probably ok dropping a bit more to have somebody else mess with your tires.

M cars haven't had square setups since the '95 M3, IIRC

'96 cheeky

z31maniac
z31maniac MegaDork
10/13/22 2:39 p.m.
Slippery said:
z31maniac said:
Cactus said:

I miss tire sidewalls. I also miss square setups that you can rotate easily.

 

I guess if you're dropping this sort of coin on a car, you're probably ok dropping a bit more to have somebody else mess with your tires.

M cars haven't had square setups since the '95 M3, IIRC

'96 cheeky

I'll bet you a nice steak dinner. devil

'95 was 235/40/17 at all 4 corners.

'96 (when it changed to the S52 and OBD-II) it went to 225/45/17, and 245/40/17    F/R.

 

Cactus
Cactus HalfDork
10/13/22 3:48 p.m.

Oddly, to a lot of us, the 90s were when everything went to E36 M3.

 

Pun intended.

livinon2wheels
livinon2wheels GRM+ Memberand Reader
3/17/23 6:56 p.m.

The going price for this porker is around $30/lb, and thats a bit rich for my blood. Im thinking the cost of ownership will be frightfully high...but I bet its fun to drive. Sorta like the really hot chick, lotta fun to ride, but not as much fun to live with.

Karacticus
Karacticus GRM+ Memberand SuperDork
3/17/23 7:25 p.m.
z31maniac said:
jgrewe said:

Does it have a dipstick?

Will it drip oil on its serpentine belt out of the oil filter housing?

Will it force feed itself that belt through the front seal if it fails?

I haven't heard anything about the B/S58 engines having the same failures as the N54/55 engines. 

I can guarantee they solved the oil filter housing/belt/front seal issue, at least on the B58. 
Oil filter housing and I believe the timing chain are now on the back of the engine. 

livinon2wheels
livinon2wheels GRM+ Memberand Reader
3/17/23 8:33 p.m.
CAinCA said:
Tom_Spangler (Forum Supporter) said:

Same, and speaking of us... uh.. larger folks. If these are the only seats available:

...then that's gonna be a "no" from me, dawg.

Crap! Those look, uh, comfortable. That nutbuster wedgy thingy will be real comfortable on long trips. frown

that's a new BMW safety device - its designed keep you alert when behind the wheel...those Germans are so clever lol.

J.A. Ackley
J.A. Ackley Senior Editor
3/17/23 8:43 p.m.

In reply to livinon2wheels :

Those are the optional M Carbon bucket seats.

CyberEric
CyberEric Dork
3/17/23 9:46 p.m.

Just seeing this somehow. THIRTY EIGHT HUNDRED POUNDS?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

An M2 weighs that much?! I feel physically ill. 

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